Nelson gets to do a victory lap

[BY06518]

Yup major shoutout to all the Big Least lusters of the past couple years. Nelson and especially A Dime Back for their overwhelming negative vibe online towards the league and the school the past couple years. I'm sure it played a role in the worst President in UConn's history throwing in the towel in her lame duck days.

You get what you deserve when you have bad leaders in your state. The State of Connecticut has bad leaders everywhere. We got what we deserved. I feel bad for the people who will be hurt by their incompetence. Namely our fans.

A couple of bad coaching hires and we throw in the towel. Helluva effort by all involved for making it possible. Cannot wait for those home football games vs UAB (before they axe the program) and home bball vs Creighton.

No, the football program wasn't destroyed by the AAC. It was hurt by bad coaching and recruiting. Had we pulled a Temple and started winning, you'd have looked stupid, as usual.

Again, what a .

Butch is angry that progress has finally been made at UConn for the better.

 

[Iconoclast]

Conference realignment is one big series of negotiations. If you're not constantly negotiating, you're the mark. UConn finally decided to show some self-respect and stop being the mark. UConn waiting for suitors to call was the death of UConn athletics. The Big East move tells others that UConn believes in itself rather than the bowling success of Houston.

 

[pepband99]

I have been calling for UConn to the Big East since Louisville got the last life boat to the P5. The school finally came around.

We should have done this 6 years ago.

BS.

You've been calling for the end of football, which had the side gig of moving other sports back into the BE. You're only halfway there, and it's not decided yet.

If football, as a sport declines, this is prescient. If it doesn't, we're screwed.

Since you like building strawmen out of "scoreboard" arguments - chew on this one:
Football has been driving the college athletics bus since ~1940. Until it doesn't, you're still 1000% wrong.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

You can add all the qualifiers you want, but when he first brought up the idea of going to the NBE, he was universally panned for it and it did seem ridiculous. Yet here we are.

Just because this is what he advocated for doesn't mean he's right. That remains to be seen. And given the complete silence from the university, it may be too early for a victory lap.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

The AAC has brought the athletic program to it's knees, and likely destroyed the football program. The pro-AAC faction has been wrong every step of the way, and unless they are admitting that, they should stop posting on UConn's conference affiliation.

As many others have said to you and you choose to ignore, coaching hires had the biggest impact on UConn and not the AAC. KO was fine until he thought he knew best and ended his relationship with JC and then his wife. Complete Show from there on. Football had 2 horrendous hires in a row. And I saw your comment in another thread of hiring the right coach, but without the money to truly hire a great staff (see Alabama & Clemson), we were at best going to be a stepping stone. I like many others never thought we'd win a national championship in football, but I expected 8-4 seasons ,or occasionally better, were doable and that we could occasionally upset a ranked opponent, exactly where we were before Randy left.
Dan Hurley will bring us back in hoops, but somewhere down the road you'll claim it was the move to the Big East, once again ignoring the importance of the right hire.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

BS.

You've been calling for the end of football, which had the side gig of moving other sports back into the BE. You're only halfway there, and it's not decided yet.

If football, as a sport declines, this is prescient. If it doesn't, we're screwed.

Since you like building strawmen out of "scoreboard" arguments - chew on this one:
Football has been driving the college athletics bus since ~1940. Until it doesn't, you're still 1000% wrong.

How does it feel to realize that your position was so completely wrong that it almost destroyed the athletic program? The decision to stay in the AAC was catastrophic, and every fan that supported it is partially responsible for the results.

I actually have two threads on the Realignment Board titled the Case for Football Independence and the Case for Football Independence II. Scoreboard.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

As many others have said to you and you choose to ignore, coaching hires had the biggest impact on UConn and not the AAC. KO was fine until he thought he knew best and ended his relationship with JC and then his wife. Complete Show from there on. Football had 2 horrendous hires in a row. And I saw your comment in another thread of hiring the right coach, but without the money to truly hire a great staff (see Alabama & Clemson), we were at best going to be a stepping stone. I like many others never thought we'd win a national championship in football, but I expected 8-4 seasons ,or occasionally better, were doable and that we could occasionally upset a ranked opponent, exactly where we were before Randy left.
Dan Hurley will bring us back in hoops, but somewhere down the road you'll claim it was the move to the Big East, once again ignoring the importance of the right hire.

If you are arguing for paying the same for coaches as Clemson and Alabama, then you are really delusional.

To be clear on the coaches, I called both of those right too. I hated Diaco from the beginning, and was one of the first to jump off the Pasqualoni bandwagon. The fact is though that both have been successful elsewhere, and no one else with options wanted the job. That should have told us something. There was no way for football to be successful in a southern mid-major conference.

While Ollie checked out, I think he is a good coach when he wants to be, and I think the conference situation was starting to hammer the program.

There is no debate on the impact of the conference on the Women's basketball program. Auriemma can't get out of the AAC fast enough.

 

[Vowelguy]

There is no debate on the impact of the conference on the Women's basketball program. Auriemma can't get out of the AAC fast enough.

Yeah making the F4 every year is evidence of the program's decay.

 

[pepband99]

How does it feel to realize that your position was so completely wrong that it almost destroyed the athletic program? The decision to stay in the AAC was catastrophic, and every fan that supported it is partially responsible for the results.

I actually have two threads on the Realignment Board titled the Case for Football Independence and the Case for Football Independence II. Scoreboard.

Yes, both of which are not terribly subtle ways of saying "drop football," but you always pansy out from actually saying it.

1940 vs 2 lousy threads. Scoreboard indeed.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Yeah making the F4 every year is evidence of the program's decay.

Do you know more about what Auriemma wanted than Auriemma?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Yes, both of which are not terribly subtle ways of saying "drop football," but you always pansy out from actually saying it.

1940 vs 2 lousy threads. Scoreboard indeed.

If you want me to keep curb stomping you, I am happy to do it.

I have been as vindicated on this topic as any poster on this board has been on any topic. You were wrong, and I was right. The evidence is overwhelming, and the University of Connecticut even agrees with me.

Scoreboard.

 

[pepband99]

If you want me to keep curb stomping you, I am happy to do it.

I have been as vindicated on this topic as any poster on this board has been on any topic. You were wrong, and I was right. The evidence is overwhelming, and the University of Connecticut even agrees with me.

Scoreboard.

Sure, nostradamus. Your first thread was born our of your ""Shut the Football Program Down" thread, and says independent schedule will work "for a while" - wow, out on a limb there.

The second one has us going to the ACC for basketball only A case for football independence, Part II ). Well done.

 

[Fairfield_1st]

If you are arguing for paying the same for coaches as Clemson and Alabama, then you are really delusional.

I wish we could, but no, not advocating for it. I was pointing out that we don't have the money to hire a great or even very good staff and that we'd always be a place for a coach to earn his chops before moving up. I had no delusions of a NC for football, just to be competitive day in and day out with .500 or better records.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Sure, nostradamus. Your first thread was born our of your ""Shut the Football Program Down" thread, and says independent schedule will work "for a while" - wow, out on a limb there.

The second one has us going to the ACC for basketball only A case for football independence, Part II ). Well done.

Do I really have to explain that thread to you? If you are that dense that you don't see what I was doing in that thread, then I will stop picking on you because it would be cruel.

 

[Excalibur]

If we were going to stop trying in football around 2015, then yes, we should have just made the move in the beginning. Staying only stood a chance if we went all in. The University didn't want to take that chance, so they went half way, which was the worst possible choice.

 

[pepband99]

Do I really have to explain that thread to you? If you are that dense that you don't see what I was doing in that thread, then I will stop picking on you because it would be cruel.

Yes, feel free to explain how you're 1000% right in a thread where you're 100000000% wrong. I'll wait.
I'm waiting for you to say something like "I'm a righty who likes being right and righting"

 

[nelsonmuntz]

If we were going to stop trying in football around 2015, then yes, we should have just made the move in the beginning. Staying only stood a chance if we went all in. The University didn't want to take that chance, so they went half way, which was the worst possible choice.

We would have been more attractive to the Big 12 in 2016 as Big East basketball and football independent. If the football team gets an SNY deal, which I expect, it would validate the independent value of our program to the ACC and Big 10 in a way that we never could inside another conference. The AAC was always going to be an anchor (in a bad way) on UConn.

 

[Waquoit]

Anybody that pays money and goes to games is thrilled with this. AAC games are excruciating.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

We would have been more attractive to the Big 12 in 2016 as Big East basketball and football independent. If the football team gets an SNY deal, which I expect, it would validate the independent value of our program to the ACC and Big 10 in a way that we never could inside another conference. The AAC was always going to be an anchor (in a bad way) on UConn.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Nelson in the argument about which is better: Continuing in the AAC hell hole, or joining Big East for all sports and Football independence

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Yes, feel free to explain how you're 1000% right in a thread where you're 100000000% wrong. I'll wait.
I'm waiting for you to say something like "I'm a righty who likes being right and righting"

Are you ever going to admit that you were completely wrong on this, and that I was completely right?

 

[pepband99]

Are you ever going to admit that you were completely wrong on this, and that I was completely right?

Sure, I Guess you're right that we dropped football and joined the ACC. I guess my news feed was broken.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Your underlying assumption is that independence is worse than the AAC for football. I think independence would be liberating for football to get UConn out of this goat rodeo of a conference, and would be more lucrative. I think SNY would pay UConn at least $1MM a year for 6-7 home games, and we could possibly even do better if we went to the Big East for hoops because Fox might pick up a game or two and help us schedule.

You make assertions about independence that were true 20 years ago, but are no longer valid. There will be 50-80 FBS schools looking for games because scheduling FCS schools is going to become much less common with the playoff system. The playoff system will also make 9 game conference schedules less appealing. It is going to be much easier to put together an independent schedule that it was 20 or even 10 years ago.

If you want to see basketball succeed, moving to the Big East or even taking a shot at a partial ACC membership is a no brainer. If you want to see football succeed, going independent is a no brainer. If you want to shake things up and see if UConn can smoke out a P5 invitation, doing something creative is a no brainer. If you want to see UConn die a slow death, staying in the AAC is a no brainer.

I am the Nostra-scalitoing-damus of conference realignment. I made the above post at the end of the the thread that peptool linked, in April 2014. That whole thread is genius actually, and one of the more intelligent discussions this board had on football independence back then. Don't let the fact that peptool has no idea what is happening in the thread dissuade anyone from checking it out.

 

[pepband99]

I am the Nostra-scalitoing-damus of conference realignment. I made the above post at the end of the the thread that peptool linked, in April 2014. That whole thread is genius actually, and one of the more intelligent discussions this board had on football independence back then. Don't let the fact that peptool has no idea what is happening in the thread dissuade anyone from checking it out.

Ha. So, you're wrong in that post about:
1) independent football scheduling, which is impacted by your next wrong
2) conference game count. 3 out of 5 at 9. The other 2 consider it, essentially, on an ongoing basis. Not even a hint of dropping from anyone

Never mind a buy-in costs twice as much for us, even in the AAC, as an FCS game. That may cut some of the P5 out (mostly the teams we have a chance against too).

Also never mind that we have a "peer" of sorts to match against during this time frame, which disproves everything you wrote, too (UMass), but carry on...

ALSO never mind probably the most pressing issue we have as a football independent - the collusion in the P5 to dictate OOC schedule strength. If I'm the AD, I'm trying like mad to figure out how we stay on the "P5" list that we're on now for the Indiana and Illinois games, and getting the same distinction for other conferences. Without that, we essentially become a REALLY expensive FCS opponent. Combine that with any movements to 9 games, our impending blackball with the AAC teams, AND the fact we have 2 of our most appropriate OOC matchups already under contract (UMass and BC), and the scheduling piece is next to impossible, without help.

*IF* we can work out a scheduling alliance via FOX, or via some creative work with basketball (which has had only very limited success prior), we may have a chance, but the inventory for desirable OOC games is already small, and trending downward.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

If you listened to the Calhoun’s interview he was very concerned about football.
He believes a school the size of UConn has to have a viable football team to be considered a major player in athletics. We are not a small private institution.
He also believes in Randy’s ability to rebuild the program.
I don’t see Nelson Vindicated in the least. even if Randy fails.
We failed in football because of poor leadership and years of bad teams alienating the fan base. If our won loss record in the AAC were reversed football would be the toughest ticket in the state. That’s a much lower standard than basketball whose fan base is questionable.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

 

[Adios]

You wanted to drop the football program. We don't use chat rooms anymore. Everything said now is saved.

Run the imaginary bases all you want.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

You wanted to drop the football program. We don't use chat rooms anymore. Everything said now is saved.

Run the imaginary bases all you want.

It is spelled s-c-o-r-e-b-o-.

A case for football independence

Fishy nuked the "Shut the Football Program Down" thread, which had become a little bit of a sideshow since people didn't understand what I was saying. So I will try it again. UConn MUST join the C7 and take the football program independent. The posts in the UMass thread indicate just how...

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A case for football independence, Part II

What if UConn was invited into a conference for basketball only: UConn would make $4-5MM a year just for men's and women's basketball. There were more Top 50 program in this conference, and very few programs that finished outside the top 150. The conference had a lot of historically strong...

the-boneyard.com

 

[Adios]

It is spelled s-c-o-r-e-b-o-.

A case for football independence

Fishy nuked the "Shut the Football Program Down" thread, which had become a little bit of a sideshow since people didn't understand what I was saying. So I will try it again. UConn MUST join the C7 and take the football program independent. The posts in the UMass thread indicate just how...

the-boneyard.com

A case for football independence, Part II

What if UConn was invited into a conference for basketball only: UConn would make $4-5MM a year just for men's and women's basketball. There were more Top 50 program in this conference, and very few programs that finished outside the top 150. The conference had a lot of historically strong...

the-boneyard.com

Then came the football-is-doomed mindset.

Have the "scoreboard". Whatever makes you happy.

 

[pepband99]

A case for football independence, Part II

What if UConn was invited into a conference for basketball only: UConn would make $4-5MM a year just for men's and women's basketball. There were more Top 50 program in this conference, and very few programs that finished outside the top 150. The conference had a lot of historically strong...

the-boneyard.com

The conference was the ACC.

“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt” ― Mark Twain.