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kbdiggity said:
Get your fans together, rents some bulldozers, and go bulldoze NC State to the ground.

You will have an ACC invite the next day.
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I'm getting a little tired of acc fans telling us how much sense it would make for UConn to be in their conference. Enjoy the across-the-board mediocrity of Pitt.
 
Even if the non p5 schools burn to the ground in the next few years I still think we have another ship in us. #questfor5
 
upstater said:
They have to make new rules then. Creating such rules would announce to everyone that the AAC is a minor conference, which is contrary to what Aresco has been saying. If there're no new rules, then nothing prevents a school from doing what it wants.
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My issue is that even if UConn were allowed to make its own rules, I just don't think recruits keep up with the technicality of such matters. It certainly is hard to market and can be somewhat confusing to a teenager and their parent(s).

I'm talking mostly football here but still how (and why) would a high school prize recruit know of such an independent policy or what good does it do them to know such. The press won't cover it. As for the P5's in a few years it will be common knowledge (i.e. their benefits/advantage) with history, experiences and positive testimony of its benefits. I just see the non P5 conferences having a tough time getting noticed or major media attention in the future. Not saying the AAC and others will ride into irrelevancy, but damn, it will travel on the road of 2nd class.

P5 is becoming 'all powerful' and then there are the rest.
 
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kbdiggity said:
I'll believe it when I see it. Why on earth would schools who can't afford the new rule changes, vote in favor of giving other conference schools they compete with a major competitive advantage? That makes no sense.

I think the more likely outcome is that we see more conference realignment among the non-Power 5 conferences. You'll probably see a clustering of basketball-only schools who can afford to make the changes, and maybe a clustering of basketball/football schools who can afford to make the changes, and then the other non-Power 5 conferences will probably be made up of schools who have different less-expensive new rules.
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What would be the enforcing mechanism?

To kick a school out of a conference? Those schools would band together, and it would be back to the CUSA for Tulsa.
 
whaler11 said:
Oklahoma's budget this year for the new unlimited food rule is 800k-1MM.

Even they were making jokes about how it's going to become a recruiting tool.
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The advantage for G5 schools is going to be seen on the field and courts with lean, hungry athletes taking it to the P5 fatties.
 
kbdiggity said:
Totally legal. A few rich white dudes in the power 5 conferences made veiled threats months ago about the power 5 conferences splitting away on their own. This was the rest of the NCAA schools bending over in order to keep the power 5 conferences from leaving. They voted to give the power 5 conferences this autonomy, and now they have it. There is no going back from this now, but it will likely keep the NCAA division 1 schools together. There will just be an ever increasing gap between the schools in the power 5 and the rest of division 1. If you are a school who can financially afford to match all the rules the power 5 will soon implement (bigger stipends for all student athletes, more coaches on the staff, longer recruiting periods, 4 year guaranteed schollies, etc...) it won't mean anything unless your non-power 5 conference votes to make all your conference schools enact those rules. If you are in a conference with some poorer schools who can't afford to match the news rules, those schools will likely keep your conference from enacting the new rules.

I'd be shocked to see a conference grant each school the individual right to decide what new rules they want to follow. Conferences are going to want a level playing field within their conference. Otherwise, what is the point of the conference?



And yes... this is still all about a few idiots pushing through things for the benefit of football.
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I don't think the lack of rules defining the tiers make it legal. As Aresco noted, there's nothing there to legislate schools or conferences moving up or down.
 
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What I dont think is fair about this deal is that the bottom teams in the P5 conferences suck. there are many teams in other conferences that are way better. So those lousy teams just happen to be lucky? That's bull$hit! There will be lawsuits.
 
I think a lot of people are forgetting how this came about. The biggest conferences realized that they are the cash cow and 800 pound gorilla. They went to the NCAA and said, basically:
1) we want to play by our own rules
2) we want more of the cash that we've been subsidizing weak conferences with
3) We want to realign voting so we have more power.

And if you don't do it, we will leave the NCAA. The NCAA said "Yes" and passed it by the bylaws of the organization. What law/ lawsuit is going to stop that? Conferences for sports are not a constitutional issue.
What will or won't happen with the BCS or the basketball tournament is all conjecture.
BUT there is a top class in college sports and we are not in it. But where money and power exist the rules tend to follow in their interest and at every turn, college presidents & ADs have looked to maximize their profit
 
Idea for uconn leadership-

Encourage Modern or Pepe's to come to Storrs Center with the promise of a house account for athletes. New Haven pizza would be a hell of a recruiting tool. Better than food trucks, anyway.
 
"those 65 schools are largely the face of what most people know as college athletics" Big 12 Commish Bowlsby.

The arrogance of the P5 schools is a good substitute for syrup of Ipecac!
 
We need our leadership to be much more proactive. Susan Herbst stop sittingon your hands!
 
UcannUconn said:
We need our leadership to be much more proactive. Susan Herbst stop sittingon your hands!
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And what would you like her to do that you know she hasn't been attempting to accomplish?
 
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[QUOTE="dsturdy5, post: 1030910, member: and what would you like her to do that you know she hasn't been attempting to accomplish?[/QUOTE]
Honestly. I dont. I shouldnt have made an absolute statement but as a huge fan I am in panic mode. If we have to give up on the football dream we have than we have to. Dump all capital into maintaining our basketball empire. If we start losing basketball talent to the likes of bc and rutgers bc they can pay their players more and insure them than we have nothing left. All gained is lost.
 
UcannUconn said:
[QUOTE="dsturdy5, post: 1030910, member: and what would you like her to do that you know she hasn't been attempting to accomplish?
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Honestly. I dont. I shouldnt have made an absolute statement but as a huge fan I am in panic mode. If we have to give up on the football dream we have than we have to. Dump all capital into maintaining our basketball empire. If we start losing basketball talent to the likes of bc and rutgers bc they can pay their players more and insure them than we have nothing left. All gained is lost.[/QUOTE]

I hear you. I have alternated between panic mode and wait and see for a few years now. I doubt they dump football. There is too much capital tied into it right now. If that's the best option right now, then I'm all for the wait and see how it all shakes out approach. See what the AAC elects to do. The only way this kills UConn is if the AAC says that none of its schools can elect to take on the P5 privileges.
 
Dumping football would be a huge mistake. All that does is lock UCONN into a mid-major conference outside of the P5 autonomy. Once the P5 splits from the NCAA Tournament to create their own tourney, UCONN would be really screwed.
 
Realistically, a number of conferences will adopt cost of attendance grants from the get-go and stay within range of the Favored Five: These would be the AAC, Mountain West, Conference USA, Sun Belt, the Big East (thanks to Fox) and probably the A-10 and Missouri Valley. Below that is where it gets murky.

Is it worth it for the CAA? Maybe. Big South? Probably not. Patriot? Forget it.
 
UcannUconn said:
We need our leadership to be much more proactive. Susan Herbst stop sittingon your hands!
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You got it. The athletic dept is going to face revenue issues. They need to add to that right now (what?). If they have sold 20000 season tickets and the normal single game sales are 5000 they have to find a way to get rid of the other 15000. Offer buy one get one deals ( I know season ticket holders will be miffed, call it sacrifice to attain P5 entry). Contact every high school and youth group in the state. Give the tickets away at BJ's. Just get it done. We must see 40000 number. Otherwise, the P5 will say football drives the bus and you guys are the minivan crew. The school can't allow those lies to surface.
 
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I came into this topic hoping for a better understanding on this new legislation (since ESPN went as far as saying power conference now can add into scholarships to support athletes) but now I leave this topic in panic mode. I now pray to the basketball gods to get the football gods to give Uconn some love.
 
DFW HOYA said:
Realistically, a number of conferences will adopt cost of attendance grants from the get-go and stay within range of the Favored Five: These would be the AAC, Mountain West, Conference USA, Sun Belt, the Big East (thanks to Fox) and probably the A-10 and Missouri Valley. Below that is where it gets murky.

Is it worth it for the CAA? Maybe. Big South? Probably not. Patriot? Forget it.
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How about the Western with Gonzaga, or BYU.
 
whaler11 said:
I know that few believe me, but the clock is ticking on the UConn football program. It won't be long before the only way to make the math work is to eliminate it.
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I don't think it's a matter of not believing you, it's more a matter of not wanting to think about it because it's too depressing.
 
whaler11 said:
I know that few believe me, but the clock is ticking on the UConn football program. It won't be long before the only way to make the math work is to eliminate it. And there will be plenty of people who want to push that nuclear button.
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I'll make you a bet right now.

If UCONN eliminates Football before we reside in a P5 conference I'll delete my Boneyard account and go back to lurking. But, if we become a P5 member, including Football, you delete yours.

I'm going to hate to see you go but I'm interested to see if you truly believe some of the sh%t you write.
 
Dooley said:
Guys, I don't know what to tell you. This is going to effect college basketball too. Take this quick Q&A on CBS Sports, for example. This is just one article on one outlet but you can read between the lines. The NCAA Tournament generates billions of dollars LARGELY FROM THE POWER 5 SCHOOLS' MARKET POWER. Do you really think that these greedy commissioners, Presidents, and Athletic Departments would pass up an opportunity to generate BILLIONS of more dollars because of "charm" and cute little Cinderella stories? They didn't care one bit about regional rivalries or traditional football rivalries in forming these Power conferences, they certainly aren't going to care about the Davidsons, Daytons, Butlers, and George Masons if they can make BILLIONS more. It's not a matter of if the P5 will split from the NCAA Tournament, it's a matter of when.

The best recruits are going to go to P5 schools and the small minority of G5 schools that have adopted the new rules. They'll already be able to offer them more benefits/security. But now they'll be able to offer more marketable games on TV to be noticed for the NBA. Yes, the G5 will have some games but the P5 markets and fan bases are HUGE. How long can the small minority G5 schools continue to play by the P5 rules if they make $2M/yr from a lousy TV deal?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...-new-division-i-model-giving-power-5-autonomy

"Q: What about NCAA issues that don't fall under autonomy?

Some issues, such as transfer eligibility rules, enforcement and scholarships limits, remain governed by both the Power 5 and the rest of Division I. For those issues, there's weighted voting by a new body called the Council, which becomes the primary legislative arm and largely includes athletic directors, who felt left out of the old system. The Council -- which in "inside baseball" lingo is the old NCAA Leadership and Legislative councils -- consists of 32 conference representatives, four conference commissioners, two athletes and two faculty.

The weighted voting breakdown: 37.5 percent for the Power 5 conferences; 18.8 percent for the five remaining FBS conferences; 37.5 percent for the FCS and non-Division I football conferences; 3.1 percent for college athletes; and 3.1 percent for faculty athletic representatives. It's the first time athletes have a vote. Some Division I members were upset there's weighted voting on issues deemed to be of equal concern to all NCAA schools, but they didn't have much leverage in these negotiations. The smaller schools needed to keep the Power 5 happy because they're subsidized in large part by the NCAA Tournament, which generates billions of dollars largely from the Power 5 schools' market power.

Q: What issues will the Power 5 tackle on their own?

The first big one is a cost of attendance stipend to cover the gap between an athletic scholarship and what financial aid offices determine to be the actual cost of attending college. Other topics could include medical coverage for athletes, time demands on athletes, allowing schools to pay for athletes' families to attend games, loosening the rules on contact between athletes and agents, and putting in dead periods when athletes can't officially workout at their school.

Q: Will new rules create further separation between the haves and have-nots?

It's quite possible. The Power 5 schools will be able to offer benefits to recruits that other schools may feel like they can't afford. But even many of the so-called have-nots acknowledge there's already a significant competitive gap and the best recruits tend to choose those schools anyway. Some critics of the model have complained the Power 5 schools were the ones who led the NCAA down this path by commercializing college sports for so many years."

I will keep saying this until it starts to resonate: we all need to Husky Up. That means supporting UCONN the SCHOOL, not specific programs. Football starts in a few weeks. We need the Rent packed all season. We need Yankee Stadium packed in November. We need Gampel and the XL packed all winter. We need to pack the IZOD Center against Duke. We need to buy and wear Husky gear. We need to donate to the school, if you can. We need to spread the UCONN pride all over social media. I'm sorry if I'm coming across as Chicken Little but the sky is falling and our umbrella is only going to be strong enough to last a few years (until the Big East exit fee money dries up). After that, our coaches are fair game for any P5 school or Pro League. I don't want to see Kevin Ollie offered $8M+/yr by a P5 school and blowing us out of the water. I want to see UCONN retain Kevin Ollie at whatever salary it takes for as long as it takes because we enjoy the same TV revenue stream as Rutgers, Penn State, Syracuse, BC, UCLA, USC, Kentucky, etc. It starts NOW. It starts with buying football tickets and rocking the Rent. We can all come here to the 'Yard and complain about how unfair this is OR we can do something about it.

Let's Husky Up.
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I think that your optimism is to be commended. But I don't believe that Husky fans and alumni have let UConn down...ever. As far as I am concerned, decades of monetary donations, decades of buying tickets, and it doesn't seem like it made a difference at all. We are still on the outside looking in. I am sure that I am not alone in having done this. I admire the Husky Up idea, but it really is irrelevant to CR. All of the cheerleading in the world makes no difference. Back room deals, and an administration that is aware, is what matters. Our administration was asleep for so many years on this matter. I only hope that they are now awake. I do agree with you that unless UConn lands in a P5 conference soon, it is game, set, match, but I don't believe that what you are saying will necessarily make a difference, although seeing a sold out venue certainly makes for a more exciting atmosphere.
 
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buddy said:
I think that your optimism is to be commended. But I don't believe that Husky fans and alumni have let UConn down...ever. As far as I am concerned, decades of monetary donations, decades of buying tickets, and it doesn't seem like it made a difference at all. We are still on the outside looking in. I am sure that I am not alone in having done this. I admire the Husky Up idea, but it really is irrelevant to CR. All of the cheerleading in the world makes no difference. Back room deals, and an administration that is aware, is what matters. Our administration was asleep for so many years on this matter. I only hope that they are now awake. I do agree with you that unless UConn lands in a P5 conference soon, it is game, set, match, but I don't believe that what you are saying will necessarily make a difference, although seeing a sold out venue certainly makes for a more exciting atmosphere.
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It's all about the dollars my friend. We win and pack The Rent? The vultures will notice, trust me.

We're already the epicenter of NCAA basketball. Put together a consistent 8-10 win Football team, who gets 40K at home games and I promise you we'll write our own check someday.
 
buddy said:
I think that your optimism is to be commended. But I don't believe that Husky fans and alumni have let UConn down...ever. As far as I am concerned, decades of monetary donations, decades of buying tickets, and it doesn't seem like it made a difference at all. We are still on the outside looking in. I am sure that I am not alone in having done this. I admire the Husky Up idea, but it really is irrelevant to CR. All of the cheerleading in the world makes no difference. Back room deals, and an administration that is aware, is what matters. Our administration was asleep for so many years on this matter. I only hope that they are now awake. I do agree with you that unless UConn lands in a P5 conference soon, it is game, set, match, but I don't believe that what you are saying will necessarily make a difference, although seeing a sold out venue certainly makes for a more exciting atmosphere.
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I am not sure how asleep they were when you have ESPN basically saying, we want you to expand and take Syracuse and another BE team. Then you have BCU and football schools like FSU saying no to UConn. Enter Pitt. When it came to Louisville vs UConn, the football schools stepped up again and said Louisville. Not sure what the administration could have done there.

Football is the driving factor and the fact of the matter is, UConn is behind everyone else by 50+ years. We don't have enough fans who have grown up UConn fans like their parents, grand parents, etc. Even basketball isn't all the way there yet when compared to other institutions. So yes, we have to keep buying tickets, traveling, buying merchandise, watching games on tv, calling the national radio shows to talk about the programs, educating the general public, and building the UConn brand in any way that we can. Erase the poor perception of not selling enough tickets to the BCS game, the 2011 final four, the APR, etc, etc, etc. Don't give the other conferences any reason to say no.
 
formerlurker said:
I'll make you a bet right now.

If UCONN eliminates Football before we reside in a P5 conference I'll delete my Boneyard account and go back to lurking. But, if we become a P5 member, including Football, you delete yours.

I'm going to hate to see you go but I'm interested to see if you truly believe some of the sh%t you write.
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I did not say that they weren't getting into a P5 conference. If you want to know how I define 'it won't be long', that would be about a decade.

I don't think UConn will ever be invited to join the Big 10. If I were wagering with someone today, my bet would be they land in the ACC after the Big 10 move creates space.
 
I can't find a post from you that's positive on UCONN getting a P5 invite.

Is that a "No" on the bet?
 
formerlurker said:
I can't find a post from you that's positive on UCONN getting a P5 invite.

Is that a "No" on the bet?
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How about the post right above this where I said I think they land in the ACC?
 
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