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The AAC can't adopt any policies that it's member institutions can not afford. So if any of the other schools in your conference can't afford some of the changes, then the whole conference will have to adopt rules that everyone can abide by.

So yes, you need to get the hell out of the AAC and join a power conference.
@KevinRDuffy: Important to note: Outside of COA, Aresco said his "sense is" AAC membership would let individual schools choose on other issues.

But that's no sure thing. Regardless, you're right- UConn needs to get out ASAP.
 
Guys, I don't know what to tell you. This is going to effect college basketball too. Take this quick Q&A on CBS Sports, for example. This is just one article on one outlet but you can read between the lines. The NCAA Tournament generates billions of dollars LARGELY FROM THE POWER 5 SCHOOLS' MARKET POWER. Do you really think that these greedy commissioners, Presidents, and Athletic Departments would pass up an opportunity to generate BILLIONS of more dollars because of "charm" and cute little Cinderella stories? They didn't care one bit about regional rivalries or traditional football rivalries in forming these Power conferences, they certainly aren't going to care about the Davidsons, Daytons, Butlers, and George Masons if they can make BILLIONS more. It's not a matter of if the P5 will split from the NCAA Tournament, it's a matter of when.

The best recruits are going to go to P5 schools and the small minority of G5 schools that have adopted the new rules. They'll already be able to offer them more benefits/security. But now they'll be able to offer more marketable games on TV to be noticed for the NBA. Yes, the G5 will have some games but the P5 markets and fan bases are HUGE. How long can the small minority G5 schools continue to play by the P5 rules if they make $2M/yr from a lousy TV deal?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...-new-division-i-model-giving-power-5-autonomy

"Q: What about NCAA issues that don't fall under autonomy?

Some issues, such as transfer eligibility rules, enforcement and scholarships limits, remain governed by both the Power 5 and the rest of Division I. For those issues, there's weighted voting by a new body called the Council, which becomes the primary legislative arm and largely includes athletic directors, who felt left out of the old system. The Council -- which in "inside baseball" lingo is the old NCAA Leadership and Legislative councils -- consists of 32 conference representatives, four conference commissioners, two athletes and two faculty.

The weighted voting breakdown: 37.5 percent for the Power 5 conferences; 18.8 percent for the five remaining FBS conferences; 37.5 percent for the FCS and non-Division I football conferences; 3.1 percent for college athletes; and 3.1 percent for faculty athletic representatives. It's the first time athletes have a vote. Some Division I members were upset there's weighted voting on issues deemed to be of equal concern to all NCAA schools, but they didn't have much leverage in these negotiations. The smaller schools needed to keep the Power 5 happy because they're subsidized in large part by the NCAA Tournament, which generates billions of dollars largely from the Power 5 schools' market power.


Q: What issues will the Power 5 tackle on their own?

The first big one is a cost of attendance stipend to cover the gap between an athletic scholarship and what financial aid offices determine to be the actual cost of attending college. Other topics could include medical coverage for athletes, time demands on athletes, allowing schools to pay for athletes' families to attend games, loosening the rules on contact between athletes and agents, and putting in dead periods when athletes can't officially workout at their school.

Q: Will new rules create further separation between the haves and have-nots?

It's quite possible. The Power 5 schools will be able to offer benefits to recruits that other schools may feel like they can't afford. But even many of the so-called have-nots acknowledge there's already a significant competitive gap and the best recruits tend to choose those schools anyway. Some critics of the model have complained the Power 5 schools were the ones who led the NCAA down this path by commercializing college sports for so many years.
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I will keep saying this until it starts to resonate: we all need to Husky Up. That means supporting UCONN the SCHOOL, not specific programs. Football starts in a few weeks. We need the Rent packed all season. We need Yankee Stadium packed in November. We need Gampel and the XL packed all winter. We need to pack the IZOD Center against Duke. We need to buy and wear Husky gear. We need to donate to the school, if you can. We need to spread the UCONN pride all over social media. I'm sorry if I'm coming across as Chicken Little but the sky is falling and our umbrella is only going to be strong enough to last a few years (until the Big East exit fee money dries up). After that, our coaches are fair game for any P5 school or Pro League. I don't want to see Kevin Ollie offered $8M+/yr by a P5 school and blowing us out of the water. I want to see UCONN retain Kevin Ollie at whatever salary it takes for as long as it takes because we enjoy the same TV revenue stream as Rutgers, Penn State, Syracuse, BC, UCLA, USC, Kentucky, etc. It starts NOW. It starts with buying football tickets and rocking the Rent. We can all come here to the 'Yard and complain about how unfair this is OR we can do something about it.

Let's Husky Up.
 

Right here. Individual school choices = the AAC is not a good home for UCONN. Right about now there should be some very serious conversations taking place about aligning with other like-minded G5 schools to form some sort of an alliance. Fishy is right, it will still be garbage compared to anything that the P5 can offer to the sports fan. But at least it's something. A conference with BYU, UCONN, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Boise, Houston, ECU, etc isn't great, but it's more marketable to TV than what we're currently in. Add some other schools in decent markets and make a go of it. What's the worst thing that can happen? We lose our precious rivalry with Tulsa and make $3M/yr vs $2M/yr? The sky isn't just falling, it's crashing down.
 
Before you post:
1) Actually read the article about the Vote the NCAA took today (Not a poll)
2) Remind yourself that basketball is pocket change compared to football
3) Think about what happens now that we've declared a separate class of teams that sets their own rules and has a "weightier" vote than the rest of us.

after thinking through items 1-3, feel free to post
 


I just don't see a conference voting to give some member schools a major advantage over other member schools. I guess anything could happen, but that seems very unlikely.

The reality is that UConn belongs in a conference like the ACC or the Big 10. I'd trade Boston College for UConn right now, and so would every ACC fan I've talked to. BC is just terrible at everything.
 
I just don't see a conference voting to give some member schools a major advantage over other member schools. I guess anything could happen, but that seems very unlikely.

The reality is that UConn belongs in a conference like the ACC or the Big 10. I'd trade Boston College for UConn right now, and so would every ACC fan I've talked to. BC is just terrible at everything.

They have to make new rules then. Creating such rules would announce to everyone that the AAC is a minor conference, which is contrary to what Aresco has been saying. If there're no new rules, then nothing prevents a school from doing what it wants.
 
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I have to think the B1G feels the same way about Rutgers
 
I just don't see a conference voting to give some member schools a major advantage over other member schools. I guess anything could happen, but that seems very unlikely.

The reality is that UConn belongs in a conference like the ACC or the Big 10. I'd trade Boston College for UConn right now, and so would every ACC fan I've talked to. BC is just terrible at everything.

I agree that it would be tough to implement different sets of rules for each conference member. UCONN adopting the P5 rules while half of the league doesn't does absolutely nothing to better the league.

It's not like any of this is a surprise. President Herbst had her response queued up rather quickly. I'm sure there are discussions behind the scenes between the "best of the rest" to see what, if anything, can be done. Something to stop the bleeding until the P5 phone rings.
 
I agree that it would be tough to implement different sets of rules for each conference member. UCONN adopting the P5 rules while half of the league doesn't does absolutely nothing to better the league.

It's not like any of this is a surprise. President Herbst had her response queued up rather quickly. I'm sure there are discussions behind the scenes between the "best of the rest" to see what, if anything, can be done. Something to stop the bleeding until the P5 phone rings.
If it keeps UConn, Cincy and co. competing at a high level, it absolutely does better the league. Plus, it could pressure some schools on the fence to make the leap.

Honestly, though, I couldn't give less of a duckk about the other schools in the AAC.
 
Can somebody explain to me how, if at all, this might affect Notre Dame? Because if this somehow forces Notre Dame's hand, that opens up a spot in the ACC, right?
 
I think ND still has its special set-up. ACC and independent
 
Can somebody explain to me how, if at all, this might affect Notre Dame? Because if this somehow forces Notre Dame's hand, that opens up a spot in the ACC, right?

I think autonomy means the P5 conference members AND Notre Dame. Notre Dame's sweetheart deal has now extended from the Big East/ACC to the NCAA.
 
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2 reasons

1. Big name teams playing each other all season long leads to higher tv ratings. Higher tv ratings leads to more money.

Nick Saban said the following,

Alabama coach Nick Saban said "fans want" Power Five teams playing exclusively Power Five opponents.

"We need to be more concerned about the people who support the programs and the university and come and see the games," Saban said. "Those are the most important. But we never think about that."

2. The Pac-12 plays one more in-conference game than the other conferences. They said the Pac-12 is arguing that since they have the playoff system they want to set up a more balanced schedule which means playing against only other power conference teams.
 
The reality is that Herbst's statement is as meaningless as what Aresco constantly says.

It's fairly funny that this thread exists today, it was the day that Syracuse and Pittsburgh pulled stakes for the ACC that the clock started ticking.

I don't think that there is any risk that the NCAA tourney is going to change significantly in the near term. The P5 already ends up with most of the money and the NCAA is able to exist because of the revenue.

Notre Dame continues to exist as a football independent because it suits other leagues. It's better for everyone to let them be an independent than have them join someone else's league.

I know that few believe me, but the clock is ticking on the UConn football program. It won't be long before the only way to make the math work is to eliminate it. And there will be plenty of people who want to push that nuclear button.
 
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Is this legal and will there be lawsuits going forward?

Totally legal. A few rich white dudes in the power 5 conferences made veiled threats months ago about the power 5 conferences splitting away on their own. This was the rest of the NCAA schools bending over in order to keep the power 5 conferences from leaving. They voted to give the power 5 conferences this autonomy, and now they have it. There is no going back from this now, but it will likely keep the NCAA division 1 schools together. There will just be an ever increasing gap between the schools in the power 5 and the rest of division 1. If you are a school who can financially afford to match all the rules the power 5 will soon implement (bigger stipends for all student athletes, more coaches on the staff, longer recruiting periods, 4 year guaranteed schollies, etc...) it won't mean anything unless your non-power 5 conference votes to make all your conference schools enact those rules. If you are in a conference with some poorer schools who can't afford to match the news rules, those schools will likely keep your conference from enacting the new rules.

I'd be shocked to see a conference grant each school the individual right to decide what new rules they want to follow. Conferences are going to want a level playing field within their conference. Otherwise, what is the point of the conference?



And yes... this is still all about a few idiots pushing through things for the benefit of football.
 
Isn't this why lawsuits will fly, because the NCAA is now setting up a system that some programs can't compete.It's not fair.

Lawsuits from the schools that just voted to allow it?

There are no lawsuits coming. UConn and the other schools can provide the same benefits - mostly they just can't afford to.
 
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Totally legal. A few rich white dudes in the power 5 conferences made veiled threats months ago about the power 5 conferences splitting away on their own. This was the rest of the NCAA schools bending over in order to keep the power 5 conferences from leaving. They voted to give the power 5 conferences this autonomy, and now they have it. There is no going back from this now, but it will likely keep the NCAA division 1 schools together. There will just be an ever increasing gap between the schools in the power 5 and the rest of division 1. If you are a school who can financially afford to match all the rules the power 5 will soon implement (bigger stipends for all student athletes, more coaches on the staff, longer recruiting periods, 4 year guaranteed schollies, etc...) it won't mean anything unless your non-power 5 conference votes to make all your conference schools enact those rules. If you are in a conference with some poorer schools who can't afford to match the news rules, those schools will likely keep your conference from enacting the new rules.

I'd be shocked to see a conference grant each school the individual right to decide what new rules they want to follow. Conferences are going to want a level playing field within their conference. Otherwise, what is the point of the conference?



And yes... this is still all about a few idiots pushing through things for the benefit of football.

I'd be shocked if the AAC and Mountain West (and Big East) didn't allow schools to choose. There is no way they stay conferences if they don't.

Mountain West already set their entire television contract around paying Boise more to keep them.
 
2 reasons

1. Big name teams playing each other all season long leads to higher tv ratings. Higher tv ratings leads to more money.

Nick Saban said the following,

Alabama coach Nick Saban said "fans want" Power Five teams playing exclusively Power Five opponents.

"We need to be more concerned about the people who support the programs and the university and come and see the games," Saban said. "Those are the most important. But we never think about that."

2. The Pac-12 plays one more in-conference game than the other conferences. They said the Pac-12 is arguing that since they have the playoff system they want to set up a more balanced schedule which means playing against only other power conference teams.
also means more losses for those P5 teams.
 
The reality is that Herbst's statement is as meaningless as what Aresco constantly says.

It's fairly funny that this thread exists today, it was the day that Syracuse and Pittsburgh pulled stakes for the ACC that the clock started ticking.

I don't think that there is any risk that the NCAA tourney is going to change significantly in the near term. The P5 already ends up with most of the money and the NCAA is able to exist because of the revenue.

Notre Dame continues to exist as a football indepedent because it suits other leagues. It's better for everyone to let them be an independent than have them join someone else's league.

I know that few believe me, but the clock is ticking on the UConn football program. It won't be long before the only way to make the math work is to eliminate it. And there will be plenty of people who want to push that nuclear button.
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Oh sorry everything is just dandy when Rutgers starts the fiscal year $40 million ahead of UConn.

Mock me if you like but if the school had more fans like me we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
Oklahoma's budget this year for the new unlimited food rule is 800k-1MM.

Even they were making jokes about how it's going to become a recruiting tool.
 
Instead of classifying conferences, the NCAA should classify schools in to ones that adopt the greater benefits and ones that don't. That way schools like UConn, UC, BYU aren't considered of an inferior class. Schools could be dubbed B1, B2, B3...based on what sorts of extra benefits they give.

It might be semantics, but would make a big difference in how schools are perceived.
 
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I'd be shocked if the AAC and Mountain West (and Big East) didn't allow schools to choose. There is no way they stay conferences if they don't.
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I'll believe it when I see it. Why on earth would schools who can't afford the new rule changes, vote in favor of giving other conference schools they compete with a major competitive advantage? That makes no sense.

I think the more likely outcome is that we see more conference realignment among the non-Power 5 conferences. You'll probably see a clustering of basketball-only schools who can afford to make the changes, and maybe a clustering of basketball/football schools who can afford to make the changes, and then the other non-Power 5 conferences will probably be made up of schools who have different less-expensive new rules.
 
We are all venting. But really, any of us who was awake the past months knew this was happening. The only questions are:
How badly will it hurt?
How soon will the hurt come?
How quickly can we get in a P-5?

Only thing you can do is buy some football tickets/merchandise and be a loud UCONN fan at games and in social media.
 
Good idea..now let's think of some other strategies.
 
We are all venting. But really, any of us who was awake the past months knew this was happening. The only questions are:
How badly will it hurt?
How soon will the hurt come?
How quickly can we get in a P-5?

Only thing you can do is buy some football tickets/merchandise and be a loud UCONN fan at games and in social media.
Not going to happen. We need a p5 who wants a bb and north east presence. Hey pac 12 and big 12 we are outchea :)
 
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