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The Viking said:
No way.
Virginia will beat them by 10+. Cuse's best team they've played was Dayton. Think about that. A 10 seed makes the elite 8 and the best team they played was Dayton. 10 seeds are supposed to face uphill battles every round
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Cuse is playing with absolutely nothing to lose, that is always the most dangerous team
 
Cuse shot 16 free throws, Gonzaga shot 5. Sabonis was getting mugged the whole game and went to the line four times. Syracuse got completely jobbed on that out of bounds call where Cooney was clearly in bounds at the end. It looked like Gonzaga got a bad call on that half court violation because Cooney slapped the ball back in. Gonzaga choked that one away but the officials did neither team any favors calling the game. They were at minimum equally bad.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
Why don't you point me to the Gonzaga second or third round game against a major conference opponent where they got all the calls and won? It literally never happens. The officiating in the Duke game last year was terrible. To this day, Adam Morrison's last college game against UCLA is probably the most biased officiating I have ever seen in a college basketball game.

I don't really care that much about Gonzaga, and I know enough not to pick mid-majors past the Round of 32, so whatever. But don't tell me that when a P5 vs. mid-major game is close in the last 2 minutes that the officiating is not going to play a major factor in the outcome.
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Up 5 and with Syracuse pressing, Perkins shoved his man to the ground and the refs ignored it. That left Perkins wide open with nobody within 10 feet of him, and Porginis (sp?) ignored him and instead decided to gift Syracuse a lay up.

They could have called Gonzaga for bumping Gbinije on his first shot and they didn't. Gonzaga didn't bother cleaning up the rebound or protecting the rim. Then they got an extra chance at the winning shot.
 
There is a lot to be desired with some of these so called "great" college coaches. Cannot believe some of the incompetence down the stretch in these games. Teams handing games away. I can't watch a UNC vs Syracuse Final 4 game.
 
80shusky said:
Cuse shot 16 free throws, Gonzaga shot 5. Sabonis was getting mugged the whole game and went to the line four times. Syracuse got completely jobbed on that out of bounds call where Cooney was clearly in bounds at the end. It looked like Gonzaga got a bad call on that half court violation because Cooney slapped the ball back in. Gonzaga choked that one away but the officials did neither team any favors calling the game. They were at minimum equally bad.
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That really is amazing considering how many times they went down to Sabonis - 5 free throws for the entire game for Gonzaga.

Other stats - Syracuse gets 6 more FGA and 10 more FTA. Hard to beat a team that has that. Of course Gonzaga also had 6 more turnovers and just had choke after choke down the stretch - just like about 20 teams it seems this tourney.
 
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The Viking said:
No way.
Virginia will beat them by 10+. Cuse's best team they've played was Dayton. Think about that. A 10 seed makes the elite 8 and the best team they played was Dayton. 10 seeds are supposed to face uphill battles every round
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That's what everyone said Florida would do to us after we got the lucky break of being in MSG.

Confidence is growing. They'll be dangerous. Although if we get Cuse-UNC in the Final Four, it'll be interesting to read all the academic fraud stories from the national media.

(Haha - I kid. Nobody will pay any attention to that).
 
Gurleyman said:
That's what everyone said Florida would do to us after we got the lucky break of being in MSG.

Confidence is growing. They'll be dangerous. Although if we get Cuse-UNC in the Final Four, it'll be interesting to read all the academic fraud stories from the national media.

(Haha - I kid. Nobody will pay any attention to that).
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We beat a 10, a 2, a 3 and a 4 to get to the Florida game and had one of the best players in the country. Please don't ever compare that Cuse team in anyway, shape or form to the 2014 UConn team.
Virginia is clearly better and will roll up this fraud of a team and smoke the bejeezus out of them.
I feel bad saying Virginia will only beat them by 10. They will beat them by 13-18 and in 3 hours I'm convinced I will declare they beat them by 22
 
Gurleyman said:
That's what everyone said Florida would do to us after we got the lucky break of being in MSG.

Confidence is growing. They'll be dangerous. Although if we get Cuse-UNC in the Final Four, it'll be interesting to read all the academic fraud stories from the national media.

(Haha - I kid. Nobody will pay any attention to that).
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I'll go on record now and say Syracuse has no chance of beating Virginia. To get here, Syracuse beat:

Dayton - 61st KenPom

Midd. Tenn - 114th

Gonzaga - 17th

Syracuse is a good team playing their best basketball at the right time. But Virginia is a whole other animal.
 
champs99and04 said:
I'll go on record now and say Syracuse has no chance of beating Virginia. To get here, Syracuse beat:

Dayton - 61st KenPom

Midd. Tenn - 114th

Gonzaga - 17th

Syracuse is a good team playing their best basketball at the right time. But Virginia is a whole other animal.
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Hope you are correct but I really don't trust some of these programs in the clutch. I knew Gonzaga would find a way to choke because that's what they do every year. Virginia hasn't gotten to a Final 4 since Ralph Sampson was there. They will probably be tight and are prone to scoring droughts which gives the underdog a chance.
 
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The Viking said:
We beat a 10, a 2, a 3 and a 4 to get to the Florida game and had one of the best players in the country. Please don't ever compare that Cuse team in anyway, shape or form to the 2014 UConn team.
Virginia is clearly better and will roll up this fraud of a team and smoke the bejeezus out of them.
I feel bad saying Virginia will only beat them by 10. They will beat them by 13-18 and in 3 hours I'm convinced I will declare they beat them by 22
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And that Florida team was much better than this Virginia team. The point I was making is that we had advanced further than we supposed to - some said because we caught a lucky break with two MSG games - and everyone not part of UConn Nation was expecting our fun little ride to come to end when we faced the top seed in the tournament on a 30-game win streak. I'm sure Cuse fans said things like "Florida is going to smoke the bejeezus out of them." Funny things happen when you get on a little run - teams develop confidence and become tougher outs.

You have too much faith in a pedestrian Virginia team that hasn't been there before.
 
It's amazing to me that you can buy tickets to the East Regional Final for $100.
 
Cuse is definitely on a roll and while I don't think Gbinje is as good as Shabazz, he's close.

When you look at all the other top teams remaining, I think Cuse got a pretty favorable matchup with Virginia- definitely more favorable than UNC or Kansas.

I'm not going to poop on who they've had to play to get where they are- that sounds like something you'd read on their board and they have no control over that.
 
Gurleyman said:
You have too much faith in a pedestrian Virginia team that hasn't been there before.
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Viriginia is not pedestrian, they are one of the best teams in the country.

Cuse has had a nice little run against opponents that are meh. Their zone is tough for team that aren't used to it. Virginia has played against it before and they will be well prepared. I don't know what the spread is but definitely give the points. Don't fall for this "magical ride" that Cuse is on - Isn't this Cuse team the lowest RPI to get an at large in NCAA history?
 
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Whisky and the Zags showed me that we are not the only team that can disintegrate and have trouble inbounding the ball in the clutch.
 
Gurleyman said:
And that Florida team was much better than this Virginia team.
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I'd disagree. Florida played in a vastly inferior conference and had far better luck in close games. This Virginia team is good enough to win the whole thing.
 
champs99and04 said:
I'd disagree. Florida played in a vastly inferior conference and had far better luck in close games. This Virginia team is good enough to win the whole thing.
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I will compromise and take the "much" out of my statement, which was overstating my case. They aren't much better - but only two teams since UNLV in 1991 have made the Final Four with a 30-game win streak and Florida was one of them. The other was Duke in 1999. Those two teams feel like they have something else in common, but I can't put my finger on it.

Virginia has lost to four teams that didn't even qualify for the NCAA Tournament (GW, VT, GT, FSU). Florida lost three games total, and all three were all to teams that were in the Final Four (Wisky and us twice). This Virginia team is good enough to win the whole thing, but Florida obviously was too.
 
champs99and04 said:
I'd disagree. Florida played in a vastly inferior conference and had far better luck in close games. This Virginia team is good enough to win the whole thing.
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Florida was 36-2 before losing to us for the second time, Virginia is 26-7. You are right that the ACC is better than the SEC was that year but the far better luck in close games is laughable, you create your own luck and winning close games is the sign of a great team. I disagree that Virginia can win the whole thing, I think Carolina and Kansas would have little trouble with them.
 
Gurleyman said:
I will compromise and take the "much" out of my statement, which was overstating my case. They aren't much better - but only two teams since UNLV in 1991 have made the Final Four with a 30-game win streak and Florida was one of them. The other was Duke in 1999. Those two teams feel like they have something else in common, but I can't put my finger on it.

Virginia has lost to four teams that didn't even qualify for the NCAA Tournament (GW, VT, GT, FSU). Florida lost three games total, and all three were all to teams that were in the Final Four (Wisky and us twice). This Virginia team is good enough to win the whole thing, but Florida obviously was too.
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Virginia has certainly had their share of clunkers mixed in there. I will grant you that the 2014 Florida team gets the nod in consistency (in addition to the four losses you reference, they needed a miracle to pull one out against 154th ranked Wake Forest). Every team has a couple WTF games over the course of a full season, but after enough of them it's fair to question how great a team like that really is.

I would argue, though, that Virginia makes up for it with the quality of their wins. Without even counting the tournament, they went 8-3 against the top 25 and 6-2 against the top 12. And their three losses were by a combined eight points (one of which would have been a win w/o an uncalled travel on the last possession of the game).

Perhaps my memory of the 2014 team is tainted by how quickly they toppled over when we hit them in the mouth in Dallas. Maybe that's not a fair way to remember a team that was as good as they were. I'd be pretty shocked, though, if Virginia loses to Syracuse tomorrow, and while I think UNC is better, I think the gap is closer than most people think.
 
champs99and04 said:
Virginia has certainly had their share of clunkers mixed in there. I will grant you that the 2014 Florida team gets the nod in consistency (in addition to the four losses you reference, they needed a miracle to pull one out against 154th ranked Wake Forest). Every team has a couple what games over the course of a full season, but after enough of them it's fair to question how great a team like that really is.

I would argue, though, that Virginia makes up for it with the quality of their wins. Without even counting the tournament, they went 8-3 against the top 25 and 6-2 against the top 12. And their three losses were by a combined eight points (one of which would have been a win w/o an uncalled travel on the last possession of the game).

Perhaps my memory of the 2014 team is tainted by how quickly they toppled over when we hit them in the mouth in Dallas. Maybe that's not a fair way to remember a team that was as good as they were. I'd be pretty shocked, though, if Virginia loses to Syracuse tomorrow, and while I think UNC is better, I think the gap is closer than most people think.
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I'm trying to find something to argue with in this post to keep the thread going, but I can't really find anything I disagree with.

Actually, never mind - you used the full name of every school you referenced until you abbreviated UNC. What gives? Be consistent!
 
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