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Tenspro2002 said:
It will soon come to a head whether athletic programs exist to augment the educational experience of university students, or whether they exist to make money.

Good luck with that.
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That would seem to be an inevitable eventuality based on logic. Of course, logic gets tricky when this much money is involved.
 
gtcam said:
It could have survived in the AAC if there was adequate leadership in the coaching ranks. Not saying at all that UConn should have remained in the AAC but being competitive in football has paid dividends to some of the AAC schools.
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AAC was just a horrible fit culturally and geographically for UConn. I'm just glad we saved our basketball program. Sorry, I know you are a big football supporter.
 
Hurleyman216 said:
Sure, but if there are 20 players on the women’s hockey team each getting $35-40K/year in tuition and room and board compensated for them then the school is spending $800,000 to field that team which only brings in $25,000 in your scenario. So, they’re losing the University $775K/year and now the players think they need a share in the $25K of revenue the university recoups? It’s total nonsense. It’s the exact equivalent of a company that generates $1 billion in revenue having their 20,000 employees come to them and say “we want our split of the $1 billion of revenue”. The answer is also the same: Get lost!
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That's just the cost of doing business. Also, regarding your example, wouldn't that just be the employees asking for a salary?
 
superjohn said:
So schools would be paying students who lose money for the schools. None of this makes any sense. At this point get rid of all non-revenue sports.
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I think that is a very realistic possibility for hundreds of schools
 
How Sway?! said:
That's just the cost of doing business. Also, regarding your example, wouldn't that just be the employees asking for a salary?
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No, that’s exactly my point. These players “salaries” for non revenue sports are the $40K or more they get in education and living expenses. They don’t get to “share” the revenue because there is no profit, it’s negative. The business example I used is exactly the same. The employees make a salary, that doesn’t mean they get a share of the company revenue. And a company making $1 billion in revenue might have more than $1 billion in expenses the same year meaning they lose money. Revenue is only looking at the $$ coming in. If the players want a cut of the net profit then I’m fine with that. Just realize that profit is negative for every sport other than basketball in UConn’s case.
 
I really don't feel like I am ignored, nor do I take it personally that my post about making it pro is ignored, but I am wondering if people are purposely ignoring the topic of professionalizing the sport because they would lose interest in it if it were professionalized. Why not make the revenue programs self-contained professional entities using the university's brand?
 
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Fishy said:
I think that is a very realistic possibility for hundreds of schools
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And yet everything I'm reading in the Chronicle of Education says that, in this coming era of low #s in student demographics (compounded by both post 2008 low birth rates and the high cost of attendance) colleges need to leverage sports in order to have viable classes at all.

Colleges are going to start investing in sports so that they can grab as many full payers as they possibly can. In order to survive.

So... the only way to square these 2 contradictions is for schools to drop a class and not compete at the highest levels. They need sports to draw students, but they can't afford to compete. NET RESULT: the vast majority go D2 or D3.
 
upstater said:
They need sports to draw students, but they can't afford to compete. NET RESULT: the vast majority go D2 or D3.
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this was part of the argument UHart made in its downgrade. They were going to add sports when joining D3 in an effort to attract more tuition-paying students.
 
We are awful at predicting. I'm not saying any of these won't happen, but is it easier to be pessimistic than optimistic? Clearly.
Pessimism is fear based: it's what the media and the yard thrives on:
Let me predict the worse, if it's right at least I'm right as a consolation and I'm emotionally protected. If I'm wrong I'll just move the goal post of my prediction little by little. It's human nature and it doesn't count as logic until every single thing you've predicted comes true. Go ahead call me delusional but when is this gonna happen? 2 years? Next year? If it happens in 50 years were you still "right"?


Get a grip and wait to see.
 
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upstater said:
I really don't feel like I am ignored, nor do I take it personally that my post about making it pro is ignored, but I am wondering if people are purposely ignoring the topic of professionalizing the sport because they would lose interest in it if it were professionalized. Why not make the revenue programs self-contained professional entities using the university's brand?
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For football I think that makes the most sense. Just cut the 20-30 biggest brands loose and let them go do their own thing. We'll see how well their exclusive little league does competing with an actual professional one and we'll see how alumni interest holds up once teams used to going 10-2, 11-1 every year since forever are now more routinely .500 teams because there are no more Fleener States and South Central Louisiana States to beat up on.
 
Honestly, I've gone from an avid college sports fan to not really caring anymore. The last two basketball seasons have been fun, but it's been clear to me for a while where this has been going. Everyone has there hand out and the athletic departments with the best access to money will attract the most talent.

I'll watch the NFL. I can't watch the NBA, it's just too damn painful.
 
Fishy said:
I think that is a very realistic possibility for hundreds of schools
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And maybe that's not a bad thing. Does the world really need say Bowdoin men's and women's cross country teams?
 
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Keep in mind, at least as of now, you must sponsor 16 sports to be “division 1”. Who knows where that winds up in the future but there is also a huge amount of tuition revenue generated through these “non-revenue” sports.

Something like tennis as an example brings in a bunch of international students who pay tuition to UConn with little to no overhead cost on an annual basis. So while the athletic department may show -$100k for tennis or whatever, if 10 people are all paying ~$50k in tuition money that’s net $400k revenue for UConn as a school
 
TheShot1990 said:
And maybe that's not a bad thing. Does the world really need say Bowdoin men's and women's cross country teams?
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Large-endowment, private D3 schools are the least troubled here imo. No athletic scholarships so many kids are paying to play, huge alumni engagement/donation generator, lower operating costs, no question about inappropriate public funding. Should CCSU or SCSU cross country exist? That's a harder question
 
Drew said:
Something like tennis as an example brings in a bunch of international students who pay tuition to UConn with little to no overhead cost on an annual basis. So while the athletic department may show -$100k for tennis or whatever, if 10 people are all paying ~$50k in tuition money that’s net $400k revenue for UConn as a school
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That's almost certainly not true at UConn? We cut the men's tennis program. Women's tennis exists to match football scholarships so seems unlikely there's a ton of tuition money flowing in through that team. Also there are currently 9 athletes on the roster website
 
WrenchFan69 said:
That's almost certainly not true at UConn? We cut the men's tennis program. Women's tennis exists to match football scholarships so seems unlikely there's a ton of tuition money flowing in through that team. Also there are currently 9 athletes on the roster website
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How would that not be true at UConn? I was just using it as an example but they don’t give full scholarships for a sport like women’s tennis (nor do they for golf, track, etc). Baseball doesn’t even have full scholarships. Almost all of these student athletes are paying tuition to go to school at UConn.
 
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Fishy said:
Okay. There’s two components - the lawsuit from athletes suing for lost NIL opportunities they suffered before the NCAA allowed NIL. That lawsuit will involve retroactive payment to 15,000 athletes across a broad spectrum of sports. (House vs NCAA….Graham House was a swimmer at Arizona State, so you can see how broad the beneficiaries will be.)

We will be on the hook to pay football, basketball and women’s basketball players going back to 2016. Whether we would have to pay swimmers, soccer players, track athletes, hockey players….I don’t know. How big the hit will be to UConn? I don’t know. In any event, I don’t think this is the main source our troubles. Read on…

In the settlement of that case, there is expected to be a framework in place to pay athletes going forward - basically, NIL will come in house. The article theorizes a $20M top end per year with schools able to opt in and decide how much they’re going to share with their athletes. Opting out means oblivion; we’re likely going to have to match our ACC/Big 10/B12 peers or suffer the consequences.

In addition, you still have the Charlie Baker proposal out there that would create a subset of schools that would obligate themselves to pay something like $30,000 a year into a fund for every eligible athlete on campus. We have 600 athletes.

With the school proposing 15% across the board cuts to departments to cover the (poorly planned for) budget gaps over the next few years, one department that already loses $35,000,000 a year is going to need to either start losing $50,000,000 a year or sacrifice nearly everything other than our three revenue programs or try to compete while offering much less to student athletes.

Do you see the issue?
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Doom and gloomers have correctly predicted 30 of the last 0 "this is the end of UConn athletics" events. They are one post away from saying that every Connecticut resident will have to pay for Ohio State's football team.

What Fishy fails to see in his rush to look at this from the worst possible angle for UConn is that the $4 billion settlement is not going to be allocated pro rata per school. The schools that have the biggest revenue are going to have the most exposure of that settlement. We are talking about money that is already spent and gone. The odd benefit for UConn is that our football program has generated almost no revenue the last 13 years, so there is not much that needs to be split with the players.

Texas, Alabama and Notre Dame, on the other hand, are potentially looking at 9 digit liabilities. Which in the doom and gloomers world, is bad for UConn.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Doom and gloomers have correctly predicted 30 of the last 0 "this is the end of UConn athletics" events. They are one post away from saying that every Connecticut resident will have to pay for Ohio State's football team.

What Fishy fails to see in his rush to look at this from the worst possible angle for UConn is that the $4 billion settlement is not going to be allocated pro rata per school. The schools that have the biggest revenue are going to have the most exposure of that settlement. We are talking about money that is already spent and gone. The odd benefit for UConn is that our football program has generated almost no revenue the last 13 years, so there is not much that needs to be split with the players.

Texas, Alabama and Notre Dame, on the other hand, are potentially looking at 9 digit liabilities. Which in the doom and gloomers world, is bad for UConn.
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This money is going to come out of the NCAA's coffers or the coffers of any entity that follows.
 
TheShot1990 said:
And maybe that's not a bad thing. Does the world really need say Bowdoin men's and women's cross country teams?
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And yet id somehow bet the Bowdoin xc team operates more financially responsibility than a large number of D1 athletics departments lol
 
upstater said:
This money is going to come out of the NCAA's coffers or the coffers of any entity that follows.
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What is the rationale for that?

Are you saying that Texas, Alabama, et all were able to create billions of dollars of liability for institutions that received virtually no revenue from college athletics?
 
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Fishy said:
The world doesn’t need you, but here you are.

Weird take, kid.
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That's pretty funny.
I was watching a nature doc and some talking head was saying that housecats are super cute but in terms of evolution they serve no purpose. And I thought, 'wait, what purpose does this clown serve? Watching Redtube 3 hours a day, depleting the water supply and eating at Dennys 4 days a week?"
 
Jaydumo20 said:
That's pretty funny.
I was watching a nature doc and some talking head was saying that housecats are super cute but in terms of evolution they serve no purpose. And I thought, 'wait, what purpose does this clown serve? Watching Redtube 3 hours a day, depleting the water supply and eating at Dennys 4 days a week?"
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House cats were domesticated because they hunt vermin. If your cat is not meeting its dead critter quota, fire it.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
House cats were domesticated because they hunt vermin. If your cat is not meeting its dead critter quota, fire it.
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The current recommendation is to shoot it, esp. if you're from a Plains state
 
Jaydumo20 said:
Ha. Hard to argue after seeing that video of Gov. Ned: they asked about Hurley going to KY and my man got serious real quick "I pay for success"
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Ned and his wife probably have half a billion dollars. Poor by Greenwich standards but still a lot of money. Ned knows money and the value of UConn basketball to the state, I'm a big Ned fan.
 
Jaydumo20 said:
Ha. Hard to argue after seeing that video of Gov. Ned: they asked about Hurley going to KY and my man got serious real quick "I pay for success"
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You could run for Governor of CT on a UCONN basketball platform and do ok. They'll find a way to make it work, not too sure about anything else though.
 
speckle said:
You could run for Governor of CT on a UCONN basketball platform and do ok. They'll find a way to make it work, not too sure about anything else though.
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You may be right. I would, but I'm from Greenwich. I'd be seen as un-relatable
 
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