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NCAA proposing new college athletics subdivision rooted in direct athlete compensation

The problem is that this is all reactionary by the NCAA to try to hold itself together. It is a Band-Aid at best. Further, they should be honest with their motivations. By suggesting that this minimum amount is for all student athletes they put a "noble" gloss over What this really is, namely, the bigger schools pushing the smaller schools out of the market.

The good news is that smaller schools having the ability to "opt out" will take some of the pressure off them to maintain viable athletics. For many small private schools, athletics may go back to what it originally was, an extracurricular activity that has student support at games.
I think it's partly to force Congress to act. NCAA is limited in what it can do. If it works with the biggest schools to wreck everything (or appears to) then Congress steps in to stop it, and puts limits on the big schools that the NCAA can't.
 
If I'm reading it correctly, this proposal makes Charlie Baker look like a shill for the P4 so they'll let him keep his organization relevant. See SEC Commissioner's threat about the NCAA and their potential for leaving it. Questions follow.

1. Why $30,000 minimum? In whose interests is that? Is it just to kill off schools outside the P4? If they do so they'll miss out on the many kids who are late bloomers who will not get an athletic scholarship because there'll be fewer schools playing particular sports. (Steven Ashworth and Baylor Scheirman are just two examples)

2. Won't the rush to kill off lots of schools for football radically reduce opportunities for women?

3. Must members of this division sponsor all sports at this level of payouts or can they choose to go D3 or D2 in some sports?

4. If you kill football can you join for basketball and/or other sports at that level but sponsor some at a lower level?

My prediction is this won't fly as proposed but, if it does, you can kiss off many fans' interest in college sports.
Your last sentence is what they fail to realize. Once everyone else is left out and you're just competing against yourselves most people will tune out. You watch the other games when your team is a part of the whole thing, without that the interest is gone.
 
I think it's partly to force Congress to act. NCAA is limited in what it can do. If it works with the biggest schools to wreck everything (or appears to) then Congress steps in to stop it, and puts limits on the big schools that the NCAA can't.
And what basis would Congress step into stop it? Antitrust? Wouldn't the fact that a independent not for profit organization approved the scheme be a point in favor of Congress not taking any action.
 
Once everyone else is left out and you're just competing against yourselves most people will tune out.
I've heard this theory a lot. I'd like to believe it, but I don't. I do think you'll lose some fans, but an awful lot of people will tune into whatever game is on.
 
I haven't looked at it hard, but I thought this was money coming from the schools versus NIL which is money coming from outside the schools.
Per the release, this would be, in part, in return for the school's use of the players' NIL. It does not stop the players from licensing their NIL rights to third parties for other purposes.
 
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I've heard this theory a lot. I'd like to believe it, but I don't. I do think you'll lose some fans, but an awful lot of people will tune into whatever game is on.
Just wait until 25 million watch Michigan and Alabama- I’m sure they’re real concerned UMass fans aren’t watching lmao
 
With this no-cap allocation proposal, there are going to be some very very well paid female athletes at SEC & Big Ten schools…
 
I've heard this theory a lot. I'd like to believe it, but I don't. I do think you'll lose some fans, but an awful lot of people will tune into whatever game is on.
Just look at the nfl. With legalized sports gambling and the proliferation of fantasy sports, I can argue this will make more people interested. If I am involved with fantasy on Thursdays and Saturdays i will watch more. All of a sudden, ole miss vs Texas am may matter to me just like the jags bengals game last night!
 
Agreed, it's all so ugly and anti-competitive. Big 10 and the SEC have decided they want to destroy college football and be the minor leagues for the NFL and it looks like nobody is going to stop them. They shouldn't be allowed to destroy the rest of college athletics.
It's the evil SEC probably pushing this. Look at their Commissioner's comments:


His last quote sounds like a real threat: "We’re going to give leadership a time to show leadership, and we have to figure it out after we see some direction.” (Speaking about Baker and the NCAA)

The B1G, Big12 and ACC should stay put and let the SEC go. ESPN will shill for them because they're their partners, but if all they do is play a round robin schedule who do they play in a league championship? Will football fans outside their footprint care enough to watch a league they're not vested in?

On the other hand, it would set up something similar to the merger of the AFL and NFL and SUPER money from the championship so as long as the suckers (us) keep upping our donations and paying ever higher ticket prices, the leagues and schools will keep doing what they're doing.
 
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Just look at the nfl. With legalized sports gambling and the proliferation of fantasy sports, I can argue this will make more people interested. If I am involved with fantasy on Thursdays and Saturdays i will watch more. All of a sudden, ole miss vs Texas am may matter to me just like the jags bengals game last night!
You could always gamble and play fantasy if that's your thing. I don't understand your post.
 
Your last sentence is what they fail to realize. Once everyone else is left out and you're just competing against yourselves most people will tune out. You watch the other games when your team is a part of the whole thing, without that the interest is gone.
Seems like TV ratings would disagree with that.
 
You are not wrong.

This is where Title IX becomes a barrier to entry for less-resourced schools.
It's going to jack up youth sports too.

"My daughter is gettin' one of them dadgum $30k paychecks!"

Just great Dad, then what? Pro soccer players make less than McDonald's cooks.
 
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It's going to jack up youth sports too.

"My daughter is gettin' one of them dadgum $30k paychecks!"

Just great Dad, then what? Pro soccer players make less than McDonald's cooks.

Oh, god, I didn’t even think of that.

I see so many hockey and soccer parents so hoodwinked by club coaches into thinking that their kid is going to get a college ride…..this will make it so much worse.
 
My take? This is a ploy to get Congressional involvement. There will be a LOT of schools opting out of this.
 
The NBA and the NFL have to fund this as well. They are the direct beneficiaries of the investment public schools are making in athletics.
 
How would you know that? We're still working off the old system with all of this stuff.
I don't know, the casual fans drive viewership and I'm not sure why that would change in this new system. The entire point of this is to have giant name brand teams playing each other so casual fans who don't even realize there is a new system will tune in.
 
You could always gamble and play fantasy if that's your thing. I don't understand your post.
If you consolidate college football to 40 or so teams, you can easily replicate the currrent weekly fantasy model that most of us do with the nfl. Sure, you could do it now I suppose but a consolidated form makes it more appealing. With less teams and less games to watch, interest in those games will surely go up. Right now, I dont care about nor watch 95% of college football. All I am saying that with a consolidated version, even if its the same 40 teams, my interest may go up. It can't really go further down.
 
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You could always gamble and play fantasy if that's your thing. I don't understand your post.
I currently don't have a college fantasy team. I have 4 NFL ones with various groups of friends. A consolidated college format with 40 teams makes it far easier to replicate the current NFL fantasy model. Since I have been engaged in fantasy football, my interest in the NFL, even a meaningless game, has skyrocketed while my interest in all other sports has waned. This new model of just the Big 10 and SEC can have massive appeal nationally. I currently will never watch Ole Miss vs Texas AM but you know what, if i have a college fantasy team and the Ole Miss running back, I will now watch with great intent. I watch 7 hours of NFL football on Sundays. I watch less than an hour of college football on Sat. That can easily change with this.
 
My take? This is a ploy to get Congressional involvement. There will be a LOT of schools opting out of this.

I don’t think so.

They’re going to want congressional involvement to keep athletes from gaining employee status, but this is more the NCAA itself trying to create a role for itself going forward.
 
It's going to jack up youth sports too.

"My daughter is gettin' one of them dadgum $30k paychecks!"

Just great Dad, then what? Pro soccer players make less than McDonald's cooks.
Um, she leaves college with greatly reduced debt and gets to start on the career choice? Because you're a college athlete doesn't mean that you ultimately will go pro. The vast majority do not.
 
I don’t think so.

They’re going to want congressional involvement to keep athletes from gaining employee status, but this is more the NCAA itself trying to create a role for itself going forward.
This is an oddly proactive plan by the NCAA.
 
I don’t think so.

They’re going to want congressional involvement to keep athletes from gaining employee status, but this is more the NCAA itself trying to create a role for itself going forward.
I'm not sure. Baker explicitly asked for Congress to step in because they can't really regulate this under the current legal framework. I think he's proposing this as way to force their hand, because nobody wants this.
 
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