NCAA is a joke

[UConnNick]

It would never had gone court. In order to prevail with NCAA UNC said these are the courses we offered we are standing by them. In order to prevail with it's accrediting agency UNC said these course are not up to our standards; they were offered by rogue staff we've corrected the situation. Those two positions can't exist in the same the universe. UNC wouldn't have taken the NCAA to court because they would have to make admissions on the record that would have cost them their accreditation.
Because KO's case will be decided by what this board thinks? Riiiight. Again, you may want to read the governing documents if you want to discuss this seriously.

The mere fact that UNC was willing to risk losing its academic accredidation to further its athletic interests speaks volumes about the institution as a whole.

 

[BlueDogs]

It would never had gone court. In order to prevail with NCAA UNC said these are the courses we offered we are standing by them. In order to prevail with it's accrediting agency UNC said these course are not up to our standards; they were offered by rogue staff we've corrected the situation. Those two positions can't exist in the same the universe. UNC wouldn't have taken the NCAA to court because they would have to make admissions on the record that would have cost them their accreditation.
Because KO's case will be decided by what this board thinks? Riiiight. Again, you may want to read the governing documents if you want to discuss this seriously.

UNC holds itself out as an elite academic institution when it’s courses couldn’t meet a high school accreditation standard due to unqualified staff. A fraud always has a detectable stink even when its rot is covered by layers of sweet smelling contrivances.

 

[CL82]

UNC is already standing behind those courses. Is it altering transcripts? Is it revoking degrees? That case would have went to court just as fast as UNCs lawyers could get it there.

Well then I hope they had their malpractice insurance paid up because they would have put their client between a rock and a hard place where they would have had to either stand behind the courses, as they did with the NCAA, or reject them, as they did with accrediting agency.

And the issue for this thread is the rank hypocrisy displayed on this board towards the NCAA depending upon whose ox is being gored. If the NCAA is not credible in its dealings with UNC, then the NCAA is not credible in its dealings with KO. You can't have it both ways.

No this thread is about the NCAA's rank hypocrisy in the way it deals with powerful institutions versus the way deals with less powerful ones. And all your posturing to the contrary doesn't change that.

 

[Scrutineer]

Wait. Wasn't the NCAA considered an authoritative source when UCONN was trying to avoid paying KO the money it agreed to pay him? Should I now consider the NCAA charges against him to be a joke as well? Oh, I see. That's different.

You guys really need to let this UNC thing go. The NCAA didn't do anything about the fake classes at UNC because the NCAA has no authority to judge academic standards. That authority was deliberately withheld from the NCAA because university presidents didn't want the NCAA playing in that sandbox. You may not like it, but there it is.

Maybe the NCAA doesn't need authority to judge academic standards if they wanted to fairly and equitably handle violations. uNC admitted the fake classes were fraudulent. Since they were fraudulent, why would the NCAA not be able to rule that the players taking them were ineligible due to not taking the required minimum credits and thus require the sports in which they participated to forfeit all games in which they played?

 

[billybud]

Where do you draw the line?

We all know that there are some athletes that would not be in college except for their athletic contribution...

Ohio State's Terrell Pryor had a Wonderlic of 7...which indicates a room temperature IQ (in a cool room). Same with Tavon Austin of WVU....Other NFL draftees have scores which indicate a below average IQ.

Jeff George, out of the University of Illinois, had a Wonderlic that converted to the IQ at the lower end of the scale of that needed for janitors.

 

[crewbear742]

Maybe the NCAA doesn't need authority to judge academic standards if they wanted to fairly and equitably handle violations. uNC admitted the fake classes were fraudulent. Since they were fraudulent, why would the NCAA not be able to rule that the players taking them were ineligible due to not taking the required minimum credits and thus require the sports in which they participated to forfeit all games in which they played?

UNC granted credits towards graduation for those courses and therefore conferred degrees based upon their completion. They were in no legal sense "fake". That's why the NCAA couldn't do anything. If you want to see lawsuits, then wait for UNC to start mucking with the credentials they conferred for coursework completed in good faith.

 

[HuskyFich]

The biggest irony of all of this is that Cal Poly is getting in trouble for giving money(excess) to students to allow them to spend on books(okay not all the students did)

UNC can’t be bothered because said classes never existed, so it isn't an academic issue and the NCAA can’t extend an opinion....where’d the NCAA determine that was the right judgement, in some cheap college textbook?

 

[freescooter]

Yet a player can post a 3.0 on a crap curriculum and the NCAA don’t care whether they attended the course or not. What a country.

It isn’t their job to determine quality of the curriculum. Truly I don’t get how some people can’t grasp this. No university, no professor would tolerate the NCAA saying English 204 taught by Dr Smith is ok but English 204 taught by Dr Jones is not. And that is what you want them to do because UNC beat the rap. Once the school decided to recognize the credits as legitimate it was game over for the NCAA. And it will always be game over

 

[Husker Husky]

Remember back when Boise State was embarrassing the bigs and the NCAA decided to due an exhausted investigation? They uncovered and posted a list of violations. The one that had me howling was that someone bought a bottle of soda for a recruit. The line item said something like "16oz Pepsi - $1.20". Their investigators somehow unearthed this egregious flaunting of rules, but couldn't find the admitted bag of cash for Scam Newton.

 

[The Funster]

I think its way cool that the NCAA finally cracked down on Cal Poly. Everyone knows there was book stipend hijinks going on there. I think its about time that these flagrant rule breakers get their comeuppance. They're a black eye to the standard bearing institutions like LSU, Arizona and UNC. Good on you NCAA!

 

[CL82]

UNC granted credits towards graduation for those courses and therefore conferred degrees based upon their completion. They were in no legal sense "fake". That's why the NCAA couldn't do anything. If you want to see lawsuits, then wait for UNC to start mucking with the credentials they conferred for coursework completed in good faith.

And yet they specifically disavowed the courses during their accrediting agency review. Weird, right?

 

[freescooter]

And yet they specifically disavowed the courses during their accrediting agency review. Weird, right?

And were put on probation for 2 years I think by the accrediting agency for that. That is the appropriate agency to deal with academic violations. And they did. You can argue whether they were severe enough but not that they ignored it or nobody acted.

 

[CL82]

And were put on probation for 2 years I think by the accrediting agency for that. That is the appropriate agency to deal with academic violations. And they did. You can argue whether they were severe enough but not that they ignored it or nobody acted.

Largely agree. I'm just noting that took inconsistent positions with the NCAA (yeah, the classes were fine and you lack the authority to tell us otherwise) and the accrediting agency (yeah the classes were crap, we're really sorry and correcting the problem.) UNC did ignore it until whistle blowers made that impossible.

 

[boba]

This isn’t the first time Cal Tech has been dinged. Someone at the NCAA has it in for them

Caltech is on NCAA probation. No, really

Cal Tech is in Pasadena. Cal Poly is in San Luis Obispo. And they go after Cal Tech because if they go after Harvey Mudd, they are likely to find a VW bug in the Emmert's office.

 

[crewbear742]

And yet they specifically disavowed the courses during their accrediting agency review. Weird, right?

They would say there is no retroactive remedy. They have a legal obligation to stand behind those courses. They can only prevent future harm.

Btw. There was never any risk to UNCs accreditation. There might have been risk to the AFAM Dept. UNC however is too big and too established and too prestigious to be punished like that. Too many innocent people would have been hurt. No one seriously believes this affected the serious academics at the school in any case.

This was a fraud perpetrated by specific individuals in a specific dept. A small group of people in a single department managed to concoct (probably without knowing they did so) a scheme that could not be adjudicated by the NCAA. In so doing they did damage to UNCs reputation and made the NCAA look like idiots.

That's really all there is to it.

 

[mussels]

So I guess everyone that believes there was nothing the NCAA could do to North Carolina also believes that if it was UConn with the fake classes the result would have been the same.

Or maybe, just maybe, instead of searching for a side of this thing where they could claim they had no jurisdiction, they would have found 15 other aspects of this clear fraud where they do, and then pound us into oblivion.