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NCAA approves flopping rule (among others)

Bills Fan said:
A big item is what is the definition of flopping.

Let me first say that I am one of Nika's biggest fans, BUT one of the things I have been doing recently is to watch games from last season. As much as I love watching Nika, her constant throwing back of her head as if she had been shot, whenever she was involved in contact, drives me nuts. Clearly that action was intended to draw a foul call, which to me would fit the definition of flopping. Hopefully she drops that action from her arsenal this year.
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How is throwing her head back flopping if she doesn't hit the floor??
 
Rowdy831 said:
Flopping shouldn't be called a foul period. The play should continue and if the player on the floor who flopped gets in the feet of the offensive player then it should be a foul. The problem with flopping isn't the flopping part, it is the officials call offensive fouls when they don't actually see the action.

I went to a few games last year and I was shocked at just how poor the officiating is as a whole. College is still pretty good but HS is a joke and that is where many future officials for college will come from. Unless a person flopped no foul was called and when they did flop they called it without seeing it.
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Agree; the officiating in women's college basketball is beyond horrible and getting worse, in my opinion. Hopefully, these changes will help, but I would like to see at least a continuation on the play before the foul is called.
 
RockyMTblue2 said:
Major crisis at Notre Dame. Pray for them!
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Given their reliance on getting to the line to win, Notre Dame has been granted special dispensation. It's not a Papal thing, it's more like being grandfathered in due to their significant investment in perfecting the flop in so many forms.

Does this mean they need to change the policy that only permits dependents of Dick Fosbury as the leprechaun mascot at women's games?
 
SCHuskiedad said:
Agree; the officiating in women's college basketball is beyond horrible and getting worse, in my opinion. Hopefully, these changes will help, but I would like to see at least a continuation on the play before the foul is called.
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I don't think it is only on the women's side though. It seems like they let all kinds of holding and hacking go and then call a touch foul that has nothing to do with the play. It really makes the game frustrating to watch sometimes.
 
Bills Fan said:
A big item is what is the definition of flopping.

Let me first say that I am one of Nika's biggest fans, BUT one of the things I have been doing recently is to watch games from last season. As much as I love watching Nika, her constant throwing back of her head as if she had been shot, whenever she was involved in contact, drives me nuts. Clearly that action was intended to draw a foul call, which to me would fit the definition of flopping. Hopefully she drops that action from her arsenal this year.
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I think to "flop" you have to hit the ground, so Nika's acting like she was hit by a 12 gauge is safe.
 
Performance said:
How is throwing her head back flopping if she doesn't hit the floor??
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It's called a head flop. I've seen lots of players do it. You don't have to hit the floor to flop. Ionescu did it constantly when she was in college, not sure she's doing it anymore.
 
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Blond D. said:
I think to "flop" you have to hit the ground, so Nika's acting like she was hit by a 12 gauge is safe.
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nwhoopfan said:
It's called a head flop. I've seen lots of players do it. You don't have to hit the floor to flop. Ionescu did it constantly when she was in college, not sure she's doing it anymore.
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It's a move that's very common across NCAA basketball as a whole to convince officials to make the call on player control, however it's not only defenders who are guilty for it. Players on the offensive side of the ball do the same which should be looked at as well.

How many times have we all seen posts complaining about players "selling" the contact to draw a foul when driving? If we're going to talk about the defensive side, the offensive side should be noted as well.
 
cancontent said:
It's a move that's very common across NCAA basketball as a whole to convince officials to make the call on player control, however it's not only defenders who are guilty for it. Players on the offensive side of the ball do the same which should be looked at as well.

How many times have we all seen posts complaining about players "selling" the contact to draw a foul when driving? If we're going to talk about the defensive side, the offensive side should be noted as well.
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Absolutely. I was thinking of offensive players in regards to the head flop. Agreed, flopping occurs with both offensive and defensive players.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Absolutely. I was thinking of offensive players in regards to the head flop. Agreed, flopping occurs with both offensive and defensive players.
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I know. Just expanded on it a bit. Some think certain players are guilty of that head reaction when on defense when it really isn't just a select few.
 
I wonder where flopping was first seen in sports…. Fútbol? I love watching them flop like fish out of water. It’s comical and ridiculous at the same time. “Dude, why are you holding your left leg when no one was on your left side? If anything, you should be holding your right leg!” Has anyone seen a 260lb flopper in the NBA?? :rolleyes::p:D
 
TheGOAT23 said:
I wonder where flopping was first seen in sports…. Fútbol? I love watching them flop like fish out of water. It’s comical and ridiculous at the same time. “Dude, why are you holding your left leg when no one was on your left side? If anything, you should be holding your right leg!” Has anyone seen a 260lb flopper in the NBA?? :rolleyes::p:D
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By the way, where IS Bill Laimbeer these days?!?
 
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I dislike flopping as much as any other unsportsmanlike actions.

But I'm leery of getting highly fallible refs any more involved in the game than they already are.
I forsee even more griping about the refs and their influence on the outcomes of games.
 
TheGOAT23 said:
I wonder where flopping was first seen in sports…. Fútbol? I love watching them flop like fish out of water. It’s comical and ridiculous at the same time. “Dude, why are you holding your left leg when no one was on your left side? If anything, you should be holding your right leg!” Has anyone seen a 260lb flopper in the NBA?? :rolleyes::p:D
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Yeah, 280 lb Joel Embiid of Philadelphia. James Harden is one of the two best but he's only about 230 lb.
 
Centerstream said:
Maybe the ref will go to the scorer's table, like they already do, and tell them the player's number?????? and in the vast majority of fouls, the culprit is obvious.
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No one seems to recognize that these numbers are signaled in the WNBA. The WNBA doesn't allow any number above 55, but you can wear 49, for example. Or 9.

Previously the NCAA ref signaled the numbers using 2 hands. I believe (but am not sure) that with the higher digits used, they simply signal the first digit and then the 2nd digit. Kind of like flashing the digits.
 
Wonder if our 4 frosh who just announced their uniform numbers earlier this week will change them?
 
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Performance said:
How is throwing her head back flopping if she doesn't hit the floor??
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Sometimes throwing your head back is to avoid or mitigate contact. A skill I'd like to see Caroline perfect.
 
They're calling the new delay of game rule the "Caitlin Clark Rule" in this 48 second video.

 
hoopsdiva said:
I wonder how they will signal the digits 6-9. Maybe using the ASL signs for those numbers?
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Used to be, in school ball the refs would use their extended fingers, while in pro ball (where digits over 5 were permitted), the refs would draw numbers in the air, all while mouthing the numbers in exaggerated fashion. For double-digit numbers, the ref in school ball would signal to the scorer the first digit on his right hand, and the second digit on his left hand; or if he was holding the ball, he could signal the first digit on his free hand, and then turn his hand around and signal the second digit on his hand in that position. The pro ref would simply draw a big number in the air, whether single-digit or double-digit. Then the ref, in either setting, would indicate the type of foul (e.g., a pushing motion, or hands on hips for a block, or a straight-arm or hand at back of head for a charge, or one hand grabbing or hacking the opposite arm for a grab), followed by upraised finger(s) indicating how many foul shots.
 
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