NBA Draft Combine

[DRBackup]

Clingan's footwork (not his footspeed up and down the court) is a liability.

Sure. And something that can be taught, so not a liability

 

[RuffRuff]

Clingan also two years younger - that’s a key factor

 

[3rdbass]

Been seeing a lot of Twitter talk from Purdue fans complaining that Clingan is mocked much higher than Edey even though Edey is beating him in the physical drills and "destroyed him" in the championship game. Decided to re-watch the game and see how Edey got his points, and put it into the context of the game

Season stats for reference: 25 PPG, 62.3% FG, 71.1% FT on 11 FTA/gm

• vs. Clingan: 28 points, 12-21 (57.1%) FG, 4-5 FT. 1 on 1 coverage most of the time
• vs. Samson: 5 points, 1-1 (100%) FG, 3-4 FT. Double teamed most of the time
• vs. Karaban: 4 points, 2-3 (66.7%) FG. Giving free baskets to run out the clock

First 15 minutes of the game, he was cooking. 16 points on 7-10 shooting. But then he started to get winded, and UConn jumped on that by starting to attack the paint more and more to build a lead

0 points from 5:53 in the first half to 14:16 in the second half. In that stretch, UConn went from up 1 to up double digits. Was a single digit game for only 26 seconds after that point.

1st half 5:53, 16 points on 7-9. 2nd half 14:16, 18 points on 7-15. UConn won the game in that stretch when he went 0-6 because Clingan tired him out

In the last 5 minutes (18 point game), he had 6 on Clingan and 4 on Karaban. All 6 of the Clingan points in the last 3 minutes 27% of his points in garbage time when UConn was giving him layups to run out the clock

Clingan was also in foul trouble in the 2nd half and wasn't playing as tough defense as he was before. I think Clingan did an great job using his length to make it hard for Edey to score.

 

[Storrs South]

Been seeing a lot of Twitter talk from Purdue fans complaining that Clingan is mocked much higher than Edey even though Edey is beating him in the physical drills and "destroyed him" in the championship game. Decided to re-watch the game and see how Edey got his points, and put it into the context of the game

Season stats for reference: 25 PPG, 62.3% FG, 71.1% FT on 11 FTA/gm

• vs. Clingan: 28 points, 12-21 (57.1%) FG, 4-5 FT. 1 on 1 coverage most of the time
• vs. Samson: 5 points, 1-1 (100%) FG, 3-4 FT. Double teamed most of the time
• vs. Karaban: 4 points, 2-3 (66.7%) FG. Giving free baskets to run out the clock

First 15 minutes of the game, he was cooking. 16 points on 7-10 shooting. But then he started to get winded, and UConn jumped on that by starting to attack the paint more and more to build a lead

0 points from 5:53 in the first half to 14:16 in the second half. In that stretch, UConn went from up 1 to up double digits. Was a single digit game for only 26 seconds after that point.

1st half 5:53, 16 points on 7-9. 2nd half 14:16, 18 points on 7-15. UConn won the game in that stretch when he went 0-6 because Clingan tired him out

In the last 5 minutes (18 point game), he had 6 on Clingan and 4 on Karaban. All 6 of the Clingan points in the last 3 minutes 27% of his points in garbage time when UConn was giving him layups to run out the clock

You saved me some work. I was planning on debunking the Edey myth from the game with the game film and this summarized what I recall.

 

[The Yakk]

Been seeing a lot of Twitter talk from Purdue fans complaining that Clingan is mocked much higher than Edey even though Edey is beating him in the physical drills and "destroyed him" in the championship game.

Purdoody's championship window has just slammed shut with nothing to show for it, and their fans are going to be salty for a long time.

Both players will get drafted, and they will have their battles in the NBA. I would bet on Clingan having the better career, but if that doesn't happen then I'll be fine. We are 2-time defending champs baby!

But their fans have nothing to hang their hats on apart from historic losses to 15- and 16-seeds and a humiliating beatdown on national TV. Every perceived slight just adds to the pain. Really glad I'm not one of them.

 

[imno1]

Clingan was also in foul trouble in the 2nd half and wasn't playing as tough defense as he was before. I think Clingan did a great job using his length to make it hard for Edey to score.

Clingan did foul a lot but the refs swallowed their whistles all season when it appeared that Edey committed a foul.

 

[Hunt for 7]

Well who are we going to get to play the four. Maybe no one.

Well deserved AK.

Starting lineup:
Diarra
Mahaney
McNeeley
Stewart
Johnson

Off the bench:
Nowell
Reed
Ball
Ross/Abraham

There is a lot a versatility with that group.

 

[3rdbass]

Well who are we going to get to play the four. Maybe no one.

Well deserved AK.

Starting lineup:
Diarra
Mahaney
McNeeley
Stewart
Johnson

Off the bench:
Nowell
Reed
Ball
Ross/Abraham

There is a lot a versatility with that group.

Stewart will get first try and he is almost the same size as Karaban with a more inconsistent out side shot but is a better athlete. I think he is going to make a jump and become a start player from what I saw at the end of the season.

 

[UconnU]

There are a lot of rumblings about Castle. That he is unwilling to workout for teams with a starting PG in place, that he views himself as a PG that was playing out of position in college. Personally, I think he should be more open minded to playing SG/Wing.

 

[JohnFSilver]

There are a lot of rumblings about Castle. That he is unwilling to workout for teams with a starting PG in place, that he views himself as a PG that was playing out of position in college. Personally, I think he should be more open minded to playing SG/Wing.

NBA is position less. Castle is a 1/2 like Jrue Holiday.

There are actually three positions in nba.

Guard
Wing
Big man

 

[CL82]

Been seeing a lot of Twitter talk from Purdue fans complaining that Clingan is mocked much higher than Edey even though Edey is beating him in the physical drills and "destroyed him" in the championship game.

Scoreboard baby, scoreboard!

Before the game my Purdue fan friend assured me that Connecticut was going to have to double Edey and when they did he'd pass out for open threes. I told him that I expected that we would play him one on one, make him work for his points and for the rest of the team to beat us, if they could. (He disagreed confidently saying that everybody doubles Edey.)

Well as it turned out he was wrong. Being able to play Edey straight up, was the key to that victory. The rest of that team was never going to beat us.

 

[auror]

There are a lot of rumblings about Castle. That he is unwilling to workout for teams with a starting PG in place, that he views himself as a PG that was playing out of position in college. Personally, I think he should be more open minded to playing SG/Wing.

This is likely mostly just agent posturing to guide him to certain destinations. Probably wants to go to San Antonio and not Charlotte.

 

[Deleted at users request]

There are a lot of rumblings about Castle. That he is unwilling to workout for teams with a starting PG in place, that he views himself as a PG that was playing out of position in college. Personally, I think he should be more open minded to playing SG/Wing.

Seems like he’s really against having a similar situation to what happened here (outside of the championship of course).

I’m totally with him as a 6’6 PG who can play lockdown defense is a lot more valuable than a 6’6 playmaking wing who might have struggles shooting. He can get away with his shooting struggles if he’s making guys around him better, something he’s very capable of.

 

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Also, if that’s true his options are probably looking like the Spurs, Jazz at 10, or Bulls at 11.

 

[Umami Zen]

This is likely mostly just agent posturing to guide him to certain destinations. Probably wants to go to San Antonio and not Charlotte.

The Castle Team is playing chess

 

[aceboon]

NBA is position less. Castle is a 1/2 like Jrue Holiday.

There are actually three positions in nba.

Guard
Wing
Big man

Yea in the regular season

 

[Tenspro2002]

There seems to be a lot of talk in here as if Karaban is definitely or likely gone -- where is this coming from?

 

[Waquoit]

There seems to be a lot of talk in here as if Karaban is definitely or likely gone -- where is this coming from?

In my case, the tea leaves. He wants to go, and there's been plenty of positive feedback after the combine.

 

[imno1]

There seems to be a lot of talk in here as if Karaban is definitely or likely gone -- where is this coming from?

The BY

 

[TheHorde]

Scoreboard baby, scoreboard!

Before the game my Purdue fan friend assured me that Connecticut was going to have to double Edey and when they did he'd pass out for open threes. I told him that I expected that we would play him one on one, make him work for his points and for the rest of the team to beat us, if they could. (He disagreed confidently saying that everybody doubles Edey.)

Well as it turned out he was wrong. Being able to play Edey straight up, was the key to that victory. The rest of that team was never going to beat us.

Edey padded his stats late with I believe 10 points in the final 4-5 minutes with UConn guarding the 3 point line and willing to give up 2s while up around 15 points. The post earlier mentioning Edey’s 10 minute or so game time dry spell was where UConn won the game.

 

[dennismenace]

Filipowski sucks, most overrated player in ncaa. Will have a lousy nba career

How do you really feel?

 

[dingaling]

Scoreboard baby, scoreboard!

Before the game my Purdue fan friend assured me that Connecticut was going to have to double Edey and when they did he'd pass out for open threes. I told him that I expected that we would play him one on one, make him work for his points and for the rest of the team to beat us, if they could. (He disagreed confidently saying that everybody doubles Edey.)

Well as it turned out he was wrong. Being able to play Edey straight up, was the key to that victory. The rest of that team was never going to beat us.

It must have felt great to be right

 

[Palatine]

Edey played 39 minutes scored 37 points and collected 10 rebounds.
DC played 31 minutes scored 11 points and collected 5 rebounds.

Boilermakers not named Edey scored 23 points and collected 18 rebounds.
Huskies not named Clingan scored 64 points and collected 30 rebounds.

These numbers reflect the respective game plans more than anything else.

 

[bendm]

There are a lot of rumblings about Castle. That he is unwilling to workout for teams with a starting PG in place, that he views himself as a PG that was playing out of position in college. Personally, I think he should be more open minded to playing SG/Wing.

If this is true I’m shocked he was willing to go to UConn with Newton on the team. Major major appreciation for the sacrifice.

 

[CL82]

It must have felt great to be right

It felt great to win, especially to win decisively. How it happened really didn't matter one way or the other.

 

[UconnU]

If this is true I’m shocked he was willing to go to UConn with Newton on the team. Major major appreciation for the sacrifice.

I agree. But there seems to be some truth to it. Sidery knows some stuff.

I just think he’s selling himself short boxing himself into the PG position. His measurements, and skill set at 19, are nearly identical to DeMarr Derozan, who primarily played the 3.

 

[navery12]

I agree. But there seems to be some truth to it. Sidery knows some stuff.

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I just think he’s selling himself short boxing himself into the PG position. His measurements, and skill set at 19, are nearly identical to DeMarr Derozan, who primarily played the 3.

He's not selling himself short, it's the only leverage he has to try to get to the best spot of the teams picking in the top 10

 

[Rashadsmask]

There seems to be a lot of talk in here as if Karaban is definitely or likely gone -- where is this coming from?

It seemed that way at least initially from his positive performances at the combine but after Jared Kloter’s recent podcast with him others believe that he may be coming back. Who knows?

 

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I agree. But there seems to be some truth to it. Sidery knows some stuff.

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I just think he’s selling himself short boxing himself into the PG position. His measurements, and skill set at 19, are nearly identical to DeMarr Derozan, who primarily played the 3.

Saw the post you replied to. I don’t think he came to UConn with the expectation that he wouldn’t play PG. It probably came as a surprise to him that Newton stayed (especially because he had his senior night prior to the end of last season).

He made the most of it though.

 

[UconnU]

Saw the post you replied to. I don’t think he came to UConn with the expectation that he wouldn’t play PG. It probably came as a surprise to him that Newton stayed (especially because he had his senior night prior to the end of last season).

He made the most of it though.

I think there’s more to him not having the ball in his hands here, it’s not like he just didn’t play PG, he never even initiated offense in an offense where multiple players are being used to initiate. There were an inordinate amount of plays where he wasn’t involved in the offense at all. If Tristan had left I think Hassan would have started because our offense is mostly about making quick decisions on where to go with the ball depending on what the defense does. I don’t think that’s his strong suit. I think he’s more of a feel player who prefers to play at his own pace and decide for himself where the ball goes. He’s probably the most talent freshman we’ve ever had, but he wasnt the best system fit.