NBA all-star weekend

[Purple Stein]

Loved watching the rookies play hard and try to get a win.

Kevin Hart was awful.

40 minutes of basketball over 3 hours is not winning programming...

 

[Waquoit]

OTOH, i’m feeling better about my Steph Castle for ROY future bet.

 

[JohnFSilver]

He’s not wrong

Yes he is. Boring?

people hate the 3. So what is alternative? We want mid range jump shots and iso ball?

I have seen some awful hoops games back in the day. Celtics shoot 50 3s a game and pass the ball beautifully. Cavs and okc are stellar.

nba has already changed from last year. Teams are starting to go bigger at the 4 for defensive reasons and sacrificing spacing.
cavs, okc play stifling defense.

 

[JohnFSilver]

I think there's a lot of revisionist history about how hard guys from previous generations played in the all-star game. No one's taken that game seriously since the late 90s at least. The real reason it's unwatchable now is that the mid-range game is dead.

I hear this a lot. You really think 20 foot jumper brings people back? It’s a dumb shot. i don’t want guys taking contested mid range shots.

talking about how great previous hoops were and then we get an 83-81 game nba finals game 7 and train wreck. Do we remember pistons spurs and pistons lakers?

look at nba style for Tim Duncan and the midrange jumper off the backboard. I can’t think of one great spurs moment other than ray Allen hitting the game 6 tying shot.

issue with nba is load management And effort of star players. Not style of play.

 

[JohnFSilver]

Btw. Super Bowl week. What news dominated the sports world? NBA news. Not football.

 

[Huskyforlife]

The league is kind of a mess now. It's just not a good product and with Lebron, Curry, Durant etc. near the end of the road I think it's going to get worse. There will always be great players coming up but the younger crop of stars don't seem like they'll move the needle like past stars.

I think you could argue Jokic/Shai/Wemby/Luka/Tatum need the old guard to retire so people will shift their attention to the new era. As those 5 win championships, they’ll become household names. People won’t suddenly stop caring about basketball after the legends retire, the new guys will grow their popularity quickly.

 

[UConnSwag11]

The league is doing so well under Silver… I hope he stays another 10 years…

 

[Dibbie]

Btw. Super Bowl week. What news dominated the sports world? NBA news. Not football.

Just because it was all over the media, doesn’t mean people cared or listened.

 

[Scoe]

Like I had mentioned earlier LeBron ruined the dunk contest by not participating in it as a rookie and then no else wanted to do it.

Ok the allstar game was still pretty good going into the 2010s yes was high scoring no one is saying they should play like it's the playoffs it's an allstar game after all at least there was some competition.



Kobe as an historian of the game knew right then and there that the allstar game changed forever even Melo knew.

Just go back to East vs West. Also bring back the NBA on NBC and CBS, TNT is good but bring back the old theme music. When you mess with tradition less people will tune in.

 

[Scoe]

The league is doing so well under Silver… I hope he stays another 10 years…

It felt like the NBA tried to make Ernie, Kenny, Charles and Shaq the face of the NBA last night. Last night was no coincidence they are desperate.

 

[DRBackup]

Btw. Super Bowl week. What news dominated the sports world? NBA news. Not football.

What "news" happens in football the week before the Super Bowl ? Right, NONE

 

[superjohn]

I think you could argue Jokic/Shai/Wemby/Luka/Tatum need the old guard to retire so people will shift their attention to the new era. As those 5 win championships, they’ll become household names. People won’t suddenly stop caring about basketball after the legends retire, the new guys will grow their popularity quickly.

They already do win championships. Giannis, Joker, and, Tatum all won. Tatum and Giannis are boring personalities that don't move the needle. Joker has been the best player for 5 years in a row and doesn't move the needle. I think he's funny but he wants nothing to do with the NBA other than playing games and trying to win. SGA is a quiet guy, I love his game but it's not at all flashy. Wemby, once the novelty thing wears off he's another quiet guy from another country. We already have posters saying they find his game unappealing to watch. Luka would probably be the closest to moving the needle but there's no guarantee he'll ever get in shape and take the game as seriously as he should.

 

[RuffRuff]

They already do win championships. Giannis, Joker, and, Tatum all won. Tatum and Giannis are boring personalities that don't move the needle. Joker has been the best player for 5 years in a row and doesn't move the needle. I think he's funny but he wants nothing to do with the NBA other than playing games and trying to win. SGA is a quiet guy, I love his game but it's not at all flashy. Wemby, once the novelty thing wears off he's another quiet guy from another country. We already have posters saying they find his game unappealing to watch. Luka would probably be the closest to moving the needle but there's no guarantee he'll ever get in shape and take the game as seriously as he should.

So you’re saying what the NBA is missing is big loud personalities? Like Danny Hurley, lol?

 

[superjohn]

So you’re saying what the NBA is missing is big loud personalities? Like Danny Hurley, lol?

Hurley would last about a month up there.

 

[REB1094]

Unfortunately we're in a media environment where nothing moves the needle anymore because the fans won't let anything move the needle. NBA fans hate the NBA

6'7 point guard (Luka) that averages close to a 30pt triple double who is a nightly 50pt threat and lethal anywhere from the rim to 35 feet? meh, too fat and slow
7'0 center (Jokic) that averages close to a 30pt triple double who is the best passing big man in basketball history? meh, he doesn't care enough
6'8 wing (Tatum) that averages close to 30 a game, can break anyone down 1v1 and hit sidestep contested 3s while leading the best team in the NBA in a historic market? meh, boring
6'6 PG (SGA) that has an oldschool game of dribble combo breakdowns living in the midrange, averaging over 30 points a game on 50% FG? meh, boring
6'10 athletic freak of nature (Giannis) that is a league leader in rebounds while averaging 30 points a game and being completely unstoppable? meh, can't shoot
7'4 unicorn (Wemby) that leads the league in blocks, is DPOY frontrunner, averages 24/11/4 at 21 years old and is the centerpiece of a young team that has dynasty potential? LOL 7'4 GUY CAN'T POST UP!!!!

 

[RuffRuff]

Unfortunately we're in a media environment where nothing moves the needle anymore because the fans won't let anything move the needle. NBA fans hate the NBA

6'7 point guard (Luka) that averages close to a 30pt triple double who is a nightly 50pt threat and lethal anywhere from the rim to 35 feet? meh, too fat and slow
7'0 center (Jokic) that averages close to a 30pt triple double who is the best passing big man in basketball history? meh, he doesn't care enough
6'8 wing (Tatum) that averages close to 30 a game, can break anyone down 1v1 and hit sidestep contested 3s while leading the best team in the NBA in a historic market? meh, boring
6'6 PG (SGA) that has an oldschool game of dribble combo breakdowns living in the midrange, averaging over 30 points a game on 50% FG? meh, boring
6'10 athletic freak of nature (Giannis) that is a league leader in rebounds while averaging 30 points a game and being completely unstoppable? meh, can't shoot
7'4 unicorn (Wemby) that leads the league in blocks, is DPOY frontrunner, averages 24/11/4 at 21 years old and is the centerpiece of a young team that has dynasty potential? LOL 7'4 GUY CAN'T POST UP!!!!

What’s missing is unlikely to happen much ever again in economics driven sports. Players aren’t playing for the name on the front of the jersey.

Juice, rivalries, disdain, drama, narratives. Sports is entertainment first and foremost. Does it even exist at the NBA level? We’re barely holding on in college, Pitino-Hurley may be the best we have across the sport. Duke-UNC is fizzling out in front of our eyes. Sox-Yanks feels dead in the Yankees personality-less era. Right now the premier leagues have the best there are.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Unfortunately we're in a media environment where nothing moves the needle anymore because the fans won't let anything move the needle. NBA fans hate the NBA

6'7 point guard (Luka) that averages close to a 30pt triple double who is a nightly 50pt threat and lethal anywhere from the rim to 35 feet? meh, too fat and slow
7'0 center (Jokic) that averages close to a 30pt triple double who is the best passing big man in basketball history? meh, he doesn't care enough
6'8 wing (Tatum) that averages close to 30 a game, can break anyone down 1v1 and hit sidestep contested 3s while leading the best team in the NBA in a historic market? meh, boring
6'6 PG (SGA) that has an oldschool game of dribble combo breakdowns living in the midrange, averaging over 30 points a game on 50% FG? meh, boring
6'10 athletic freak of nature (Giannis) that is a league leader in rebounds while averaging 30 points a game and being completely unstoppable? meh, can't shoot
7'4 unicorn (Wemby) that leads the league in blocks, is DPOY frontrunner, averages 24/11/4 at 21 years old and is the centerpiece of a young team that has dynasty potential? LOL 7'4 GUY CAN'T POST UP!!!!

There’s not many players with the Jordan archetype of being elite, high flying wing scorers.

The closest on this list is Tatum and SGA. SGA is pretty fun to watch for me personally. The problems with Tatum have been spoken about extensively.

It’s weird in a time period where guys are suppose to be more skilled and athletic than ever that these kind of players aren’t being produced anymore when you can find them by the dozen in the 2000s.

 

[RuffRuff]

There’s not many players with the Jordan archetype of being elite, high flying wing scorers.

The closest on this list is Tatum and SGA. SGA is pretty fun to watch for me personally. The problems with Tatum have been spoken about extensively.

It’s weird in a time period where guys are suppose to be more skilled and athletic than ever that these kind of players aren’t being produced anymore when you can find them by the dozen in the 2000s.

Talent isn’t the issue at all.

 

[Deleted at users request]

Talent isn’t the issue at all.

The wings from the 2000s would absolutely destroy the wings of today.

Maybe the PGs, it’s debatable based on what you value.

The bigs are the main position that’s light years better today.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

The wings from the 2000s would absolutely destroy the wings of today.

Maybe the PGs, it’s debatable based on what you value.

The bigs are the main position that’s light years better today.

The NBA overall is the deepest and most talented it has ever been.

 

[Deleted at users request]

The NBA overall is the deepest and most talented it has ever been.

If you want to say the league is deep with talent, sure.

I don’t think what we’re saying is mutually exclusive.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

If you want to say the league is deep with talent, sure.

I don’t think what we’re saying is mutually exclusive.

There is the most high level talent in the league at one time there every has been.

It’s also the deepest.

 

[superjohn]

The NBA overall is the deepest and most talented it has ever been.

Talent isn't the problem, style of play is the problem. People don't want to watch teams hoist up 50 threes in a game. So many athletic players yet their athleticism largely isn't being showcased. That's part of Castle's appeal, he's attacking off the dribble getting to the rim and putting people on posters in the halfcourt which is increasingly rare in today's NBA.

 

[Deleted at users request]

There is the most high level talent in the league at one time there every has been.

It’s also the deepest.

I made clear what my stance was.

The bigs today is light years ahead of the time where it was Shaq and the field. Even though I’m not sure if any are better than Shaq. Obviously Joker has a great argument.

But do you disagree with the statement that guys like Kobe, TMac, LeBron, Melo, Wade, and KD were better than this crop of Edward’s, Booker, Tatum, etc.?

 

[CardiacAndre7]

I made clear what my stance was.

The bigs today is light years ahead of the time where it was Shaq and the field. Even though I’m not sure if any are better than Shaq. Obviously Joker has a great argument.

But do you disagree with the statement that guys like Kobe, TMac, LeBron, Melo, Wade, and KD were better than this crop of Edward’s, Booker, Tatum, etc.?

Two of the best guys on that list are still playing at an incredibly high level. It’s certainly deeper, and PG play is at an all time high as well.