Napheesa Only Remaining UConn Husky For Wade Trophy

[PAHuskeyFan]

The way this team is built taking away anyone of the 4 could be devastating.My only point is that Phee and Gabby are playing out of position. Phee no more than Gabby but Phee has made the biggest jump points wise. And she plays offense against much bigger players and shoots at a 67% clip. As an under-sized post.

No dis-respect meant to the other players.

Completely agree...and at different times during the year it was different players who "carried" the team...and/or were the primary contributors to a particular game/games win... This is a Team with great chemistry that works together, plays together and most importantly wins together.

 

[Suebird10fan]

KLS is far superior to Wilson. Shocked she's still listed as a finalist. Lou's numbers were better in every conceivable way, except for rebounding, which is to be expected.

And blocks. And points per shot. KLS may indeed be better but statistically it's pretty close.

 

[01Neaggrad02]

How many people go 10-10 from behind the arc in a game? Oh wait... she is not on the list but WILSON is???!?!?!?!??!?!

 

[YellwJcket999]

Here is a spreadsheet analysis of the Wade and Naismith candidates from before the tournament. I used equal weighting score for all categories. Feel free to make up your own weighting for PPG, Blks, Stls and Asst to yield and overall rank.

I've been playing around with it and dependent upon the weight and ranking of each category yields different results.
The difficulty lies in how to effectively compare value of a guard to that of a forward or center.

Is scoring the end all be all? Scoring/Assists? Scoring/Blocks? You decide.

Again I equally weighted each category. My reasoning is that equally weight for all 5 categories eliminates a bias towards a particular position.

Have fun [Yes Osahor's numbers are better than Wilson ]

 

[j66kicker]

What;s going to happen next year when Williams, Stevens, Samuelson, Collier, and Nurse all could legitimately win the award? There is little doubt they are going to steal votes from each other, but I am pretty sure the only thing they really care about winning is another NC.

Should we start this now: UConn can only nominate 3 for WBCA AA. Which 3?

 

[YellwJcket999]

Hopefully two or three of our current players get AA this year (Napheesa, KLS, Gabby).
Thereby allowing for two or three to get it next year (Nurse, Stevens, Dangerfield). You get the drift.

 

[MilfordHusky]

Agree-however next year she will be have 4 strong candidates to beat out-Azura, Gabulous, Lou, and Kia

Any player that can crack the starting lineup for UCONN next year is automatically on the Pre-Season Wade Watchlist!! An embarrassment of riches

And Crystal and Meg could be on the midseason list.

 

[rugbymate]

And blocks. And points per shot. KLS may indeed be better but statistically it's pretty close.

KLS has a higher point per shot than Wilson

 

[MilfordHusky]

I love our kids, and at least one of them could be the NPOY in a future season, but Kelsey Plum has had a season for the ages. She broke the NCAA single-season AND career scoring records. Not only that, she has led her team to a top 10 ranking and at least Sweet Sixteen berth. This should be an easy choice.

 

[Patty Bailey]

I love our kids, and at least one of them could be the NPOY in a future season, but Kelsey Plum has had a season for the ages. She broke the NCAA single-season AND career scoring records. Not only that, she has led her team to a top 10 ranking and at least Sweet Sixteen berth. This should be an easy choice.

Yes....but....does she have defensive stats? It's easy to score a lot of points when you're the star on an ok team. The award should go to the best overall player, not just the best scorer. I'm torn. My heart says Plum because her scoring has been phenomenal, but my head says Napheesa because her overall game is better.

 

[Los24]

Here is a spreadsheet analysis of the Wade and Naismith candidates from before the tournament. I used equal weighting score for all categories. Feel free to make up your own weighting for PPG, Blks, Stls and Asst to yield and overall rank.

I've been playing around with it and dependent upon the weight and ranking of each category yields different results.
The difficulty lies in how to effectively compare value of a guard to that of a forward or center.

View attachment 21070

Is scoring the end all be all? Scoring/Assists? Scoring/Blocks? You decide.

Again I equally weighted each category. My reasoning is that equally weight for all 5 categories eliminates a bias towards a particular position.

Have fun [Yes Osahor's numbers are better than Wilson ]

To be fair we are talking about almost 20pts a game difference, not a small margin in scoring. 20pts more is another star player scoring (KLS, Pheese, etc...)

 

[YellwJcket999]

I'm not following what you mean Los24. "20pts a game difference..." who/what are you comparing to whom?

 

[nwhoopfan]

but my head says Napheesa because her overall game is better.

You say that like it's a fact. Based on what?

 

[LO TRADER]

Yes....but....does she have defensive stats? It's easy to score a lot of points when you're the star on an ok team. The award should go to the best overall player, not just the best scorer. I'm torn. My heart says Plum because her scoring has been phenomenal, but my head says Napheesa because her overall game is better.

I agree completely. Somehow defense gets lost in these awards. I know the "great" Basketball coaches place equal emphasis on defense and offense. The sports media does not.

 

[schmendrick]

Remember, we had NO preseason All Americans. Which, to my mind, makes this undefeated season even sweeter. Can't we just be delighted that we have no less than 3 of our own on so many elite lists? And that, in a season which was supposed to be a transition season, we have a national championship within our grasp?

 

[reno tony]

Agree-however next year she will be have 4 strong candidates to beat out-Azura, Gabulous, Lou, and Kia

Any player that can crack the starting lineup for UCONN next year is automatically on the Pre-Season Wade Watchlist!! An embarrassment of riches

You are right, that will be quite a group of players on UCONN next year. Hard to imagine who will be the best. Maybe they should give out an award for the best team at the end of the year! Uuuuuuuuuuuuh...... never mind.

 

[wallman]

March Madness: WNBA stars pick the top three players to watch in Sweet Sixteen

Lets put this to rest

 

[chrissaran]

Kelsey Plum deserves the award. Washington wouldn't even be on the map without her. On the other hand, without Napheesa UConn would still be competitive, although not for the National Championship. Wilson and Mitchell are overrated.

 

[SCspur]

I'm completely laughing my head off at all the sour pusses in this thread. LMFAO !!

 

[Wally East]

There's no "D" in Kelsey Mitchell's name or game.

This legit made me laugh out loud

 

[Wally East]

Here is a spreadsheet analysis of the Wade and Naismith candidates from before the tournament. I used equal weighting score for all categories. Feel free to make up your own weighting for PPG, Blks, Stls and Asst to yield and overall rank.

Using ranks instead of the actual stats isn't great for this, especially with the huge gap between 1 and 2 in points per game.

And, no, neither blocks nor steals are as important as scoring.

 

[LO TRADER]

Using ranks instead of the actual stats isn't great for this, especially with the huge gap between 1 and 2 in points per game.

And, no, neither blocks nor steals are as important as scoring.

Blocks & Steals are only a couple aspects of playing defense. When a player, like Gabby Williams, or, Gabby Hanson, can shut down, or, dramatically impact an offensive player, or players on the opposing team, that is difficult to measure, but obvious. So, I don't know if I disagree with your statement, but I would value defense just as much as offense when looking at the POY.

 

[CocoHusky]

Here is a spreadsheet analysis of the Wade and Naismith candidates from before the tournament. I used equal weighting score for all categories. Feel free to make up your own weighting for PPG, Blks, Stls and Asst to yield and overall rank.

I've been playing around with it and dependent upon the weight and ranking of each category yields different results.
The difficulty lies in how to effectively compare value of a guard to that of a forward or center.

Is scoring the end all be all? Scoring/Assists? Scoring/Blocks? You decide.

Again I equally weighted each category. My reasoning is that equally weight for all 5 categories eliminates a bias towards a particular position.

Have fun [Yes Osahor's numbers are better than Wilson ]

This is a beautiful much to do about nothing. Kelsey Plum will win POY and she deserves it too. UCONN had three tremendous POY candidates & best team. No other team had more than 1 POY candidate. All three UCONN players will get their name on WOH for play this year and have an opportunity to be POY next year or the year after.

 

[Los24]

I'm not following what you mean Los24. "20pts a game difference..." who/what are you comparing to whom?

I was just referring to your comparing Gabby to Plum and asking if this is all about scoring. I was providing that its not just a few points per game difference. The fact that she is also close to 50% 40% 90% (just short in FT%) so she is doing things at a very effective clip also speaks volumes. Two different players, with different skill sets, but Plum is not just a scorer who is scoring a few extra points. The difference in scoring between her and Gabby is the same of another all-america's points (KLS/Pheese.)

 

[Los24]

Blocks & Steals are only a couple aspects of playing defense. When a player, like Gabby Williams, or, Gabby Hanson, can shut down, or, dramatically impact an offensive player, or players on the opposing team, that is difficult to measure, but obvious. So, I don't know if I disagree with your statement, but I would value defense just as much as offense when looking at the POY.

So here are my final thoughts on this topic. Both are great players and are both unique. Gabby impacts the game defensively as good as anyone in the game. Same could be said of Plum on offense. Both are very effective on the other side of the ball too, making them complete players.

However, Plum leads her team in all the areas on her side of the ball and some on the other. Plus she leads the NATION too. Gabby does not lead in rebounds or blocks, two major defensive areas (her strength side.) Nor is she close to leading the nation. You can argue foul trouble early on and easier in conference games that have her out towards end of game. But nationally Lou is in tops range in scoring and 3pt makes. Napheese is tops range in scoring, FG% and leads team on multiple categories for both sides of the ball.

I also think that while we need all our players to win it all, we would still have an outside chance if one of of our starters go down, including Pheese, KLS, Kia and Gabby. If Plum goes down, they have ZERO chance. Also, the opposing teams always make Plum the #1 initiave. While Gabby (or Pheese or KLS) is one of our focal points she cant be the only focus. If anyone gets the most attention totarget to stop. For UConn it is KLS, then Pheese.

Point is that Plum helps her team too by getting most of the attention, thus there are stats for offense that are not showing up on the stat sheet. Lastly, there is the DT (confidence factor.) After seeing and more importantly listening to Plum, she is they leader and inspires confidence in her team to go out and win. I believe Gabby does too, but not to the same degree....

Last comment. If Gabby keeps shooting the way she has in the past couple of games and brings a consistent outside mid-range shot to her game, I would make her my favorite to be POY.

 

[DefenseBB]

I'm completely laughing my head off at all the sour pusses in this thread. LMFAO !!

Sour pusses? In what regards? I think Wilson had a good year and is worthy of AA status. Here's her line: 17.7 PPG; 7.6 reb; 1.419 APG; .758 A/To; .734/.000/.583 slash line.
She just isn't worthy to be in the discussion on POY consideration. When compared to any of the UConn players, she did not perform as well in the head to head competition.

As far as Mitchell goes, she too is a good player who, in my estimation is 2nd team AA consideration. Stats are 22.7 PPG, 3.9 reb, 3.85 APG, 1.59 A/To, .820;.437;.370 slash line.
Again, nice stats but here's Plum's stats- 31.8; 5.1 reb; 4.79 APG; 1.94 A/To; .888/.533/.429 slash.

Honestly case closed for Plum!

 

[donalddoowop]

Remember, we had NO preseason All Americans. Which, to my mind, makes this undefeated season even sweeter. Can't we just be delighted that we have no less than 3 of our own on so many elite lists? And that, in a season which was supposed to be a transition season, we have a national championship within our grasp?

Just think. If Uconn wins it all, the player not included on the list may be this season's MOP. If she keeps playing and scoring as she has in the first two games.

 

[SCspur]

Sour pusses? In what regards? I think Wilson had a good year and is worthy of AA status. Here's her line: 17.7 PPG; 7.6 reb; 1.419 APG; .758 A/To; .734/.000/.583 slash line.
She just isn't worthy to be in the discussion on POY consideration. When compared to any of the UConn players, she did not perform as well in the head to head competition.

As far as Mitchell goes, she too is a good player who, in my estimation is 2nd team AA consideration. Stats are 22.7 PPG, 3.9 reb, 3.85 APG, 1.59 A/To, .820;.437;.370 slash line.
Again, nice stats but here's Plum's stats- 31.8; 5.1 reb; 4.79 APG; 1.94 A/To; .888/.533/.429 slash.

Honestly case closed for Plum!

Well obviously those who choose the POY candidates believes she does so nothing you or anyone else says matters to be because it's YOUR OPIONON and of course that doesn't mean CRAP to me so nice try, maybe next time

 

[DefenseBB]

Well obviously those who choose the POY candidates believes she does so nothing you or anyone else says matters to be because it's YOUR OPIONON and of course that doesn't mean CRAP to me so nice try, maybe next time

Actually, all the conference POY are the pool to select from so the list was trimmed down from those. The whole thread is an opinion Board and it's obviously my opinion. But I didn't stoop to name calling and backed my opinion up with stats. What have you done? Oh yeah- YOU USED THE CAP LOCK FUNCTION to try to make a denigrating point and a "take that" emoji. Ooh my feelings were hurt...NOT! And right back at ya-

 

[hussybulldog]

Yeloj999, can you also add a column for TOs, rank them and weigh it in?

Here is a spreadsheet analysis of the Wade and Naismith candidates from before the tournament. I used equal weighting score for all categories. Feel free to make up your own weighting for PPG, Blks, Stls and Asst to yield and overall rank.

I've been playing around with it and dependent upon the weight and ranking of each category yields different results.
The difficulty lies in how to effectively compare value of a guard to that of a forward or center.

View attachment 21070

Is scoring the end all be all? Scoring/Assists? Scoring/Blocks? You decide.

Again I equally weighted each category. My reasoning is that equally weight for all 5 categories eliminates a bias towards a particular position.

Have fun [Yes Osahor's numbers are better than Wilson ]