Name the National Championship Trophy after Pat

[01Neaggrad02]

Wow... Pat Summitt is an accomplished coach. She has done many great things for womens basketball. That said...... I absolutely oppose this idea. Why now? What is the reason? Why not the Kay Yow NCAA title? What about those Oklahoma State coaches who died in the plane crash? Maggie Dixon? could keep going on....

 

[Icebear]

And if Geno himself suggests and supports the idea of naming the Div. 1 NC or COY trophy after Pat then how does it affect folks thoughts?

 

[Buzzyboy]

I personally think that naming the National Championship trophy after her is a very very bad idea. She was the attractive young coach in the new era of women's basketball with a lot of energy and she used that along with wonderful facilities to help create somewhat of a dynasty. She probably wasn't the best coach even at that time but because she was in the right place at the right time she capitalized and got the cream of the crop insofar as recruits are concerned. Through some hard work and some luck, she became the big name in women's college basketball and dominated. When a young buck with a great associate coach came to a regional school with lousy facilities and in a span of about five years made them a very viable team and within ten an unbeaten national champion, Summit's deity suffered a big hit. Instead of being gratious, she turned into a spiteful person who in the face of Geno's success started defaming him with ridiculous charges. If she were this wonderful deity, deserving of having her name on the Holy Grail, we would never have heard what we heard out of her and her university. Maybe some of that is attributable to the early onset of her disease but I don't think so. After all the years of adulation, she couldn't handle someone rising up to her success level and knowing that inevitably he would overtake her as the face of women's basketball. NO WAY, JOSE! This is not to say she is some horrible witch as I'm sure she's done some really nice things for the university, for the kids, and for woman's basketball but so hasn't Geno and a host of other people who didn't stoop to what she did in her later years.

 

[pinotbear]

If any name goes on the trophy it will be something like "Jiffy Lube".


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Why did I just think about the Texas coaching thread?

 

[Icebear]

pap49cba said: ↑

If any name goes on the trophy it will be something like "Jiffy Lube".
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pinot said, "Why did I just think about the Texas coaching thread?"

Sadly that is the way a name is most likely to end up on the trophy today.

 

[PacoSwede]

And if Geno himself suggests and supports the idea of naming the Div. 1 NC or COY trophy after Pat then how does it affect folks thoughts?

Would not affect my thoughts a jot. And what Geno thinks should be irrelevant to the NCAA as well, in this regard.

Besides, if this were put to him, he off course would take the PC, diplomatic compassionate course. Can't come across as angry and unforgiving, like we can here.

 

[Icebear]

Would not affect my thoughts a jot. And what Geno thinks should be irrelevant to the NCAA as well, in this regard.

Besides, if this were put to him, he off course would take the PC, diplomatic compassionate course. Can't come across as angry and unforgiving, like we can here.

My point is simply that some are still holding something that it appears for all intents and purposes Geno has moved beyond. I, also, contend much of the mess was based in the early onset of Pat's illness.

I think it is very legitimate to contend that no name should go on the trophy although I have little doubt at some point some commercial label will reside there. I am not sure making arguments on the basis a potentially compromised person's actions is sound.

 

[Vowelguy]

And if Geno himself suggests and supports the idea of naming the Div. 1 NC or COY trophy after Pat then how does it affect folks thoughts?

It doesn't. Unlike other fan bases, we don't have blind devotion to our coach. He has said things I've disagreed with in the past, and I'm sure he will again in the future.

I'm with eric - I don't like the idea of naming a championship trophy after anyone. Not even Mother Teresa.

 

[BrianBoru]

Yeah if Pat were just retiring, no one would be making a big deal about it at all. It'd be a total non-event.

It certainly would be a big deal, WCBB/ESPN would make a big deal out of it, as they should.

But they wouldn't be suggesting renaming the National Championship after her...they didn't rename the men's championship for Wooden or Rupp. Nascar doesn't call the Sprint cup championship the Earnhardt award. Does that make my opinion clearer for you?

 

[BrianBoru]

He said nothing even approaching her retirement wouldn't be a big deal. Why muddy the waters?

There's obviously a difference of opinion about Paige's push. Actually naming the NC in PHS' honor also would cause dissension in general. Who needs that?

Indeed, by proposing this, Paige has simply opened new opportunities to take swipes at her. This is NOT putting everything in the past, "getting over it" or "letting bygones be bygones" nor any similar weak salve.

For myself, until she explains exactly what all that dung-slinging targeting UConn really entailed, and apologises if it turns out it was what many here have spectulated, I'm not willing to forgive her. Forget her -- no problem. Woody and his sympathizers help revive my memory, though.

If it comes out that Geno/UConn in fact deserved to be dunged upon, I'd humbly offer my apologies for such posts as this one.

Thats not what I said at all, but that is the way you choose to interpret it because it better supports your position and agenda.

 

[PacoSwede]

Name a regional for PHS. East, West, and the other two -- South?, Midwest? -- don't reflect who plays in them, after all.

Then, ta-da, name one for Geno. And the other two for whatever coach is next in line in # if NCs? Tara has two? Anyone match or exceed her? If not, perhaps Mulkey of McGraw will match this year, or Tara could reach 3.

And when someone eclipses an incumbent — regional name change. Otherwise, names stay, those who tie an incumbent are outa luck.

This is nuts, of course. And, thankfully, they've already dumped the compass-direction naming pattern -- not that city names are a bunch better.

 

[Woof 101]

Not a real bad idea but not a real good one either. Emotions and thought train being lead by heart strings........

 

[EricSD]

My point is simply that some are still holding something that it appears for all intents and purposes Geno has moved beyond. I, also, contend much of the mess was based in the early onset of Pat's illness.

I think it is very legitimate to contend that no name should go on the trophy although I have little doubt at some point some commercial label will reside there. I am not sure making arguments on the basis a potentially compromised person's actions is sound.

what does being opposed to the idea have anything to do with moving on? the fact that i have no respect for Pat as she went after Geno and UCONN all those years has zero to do with it (her name being on the NC trophy).

if someone commits murder and the family forgives the crime, does that mean everyone else moves on from it? no. the murder is left to sit in jail for many years for his/her crimes. of course i'm not equating what Pat did to murder, but i'd say most all of us have moved on. it's not like we as fans sit around stewing about all the crap Pat pulled on UCONN and Geno. having said that, when the subject comes up, it gets discussed. the fact that people actually remember what she said and did is hardly "holding on".

and btw, if the mess was created by the early onset of Pat's illness, then she should come out and publicly apologize to Geno for what she did. that certainly would be the right thing to do. if what you suggested is true, i would certainly feel differently if her smear and attack campaign was the result of a mental illness.

 

[Icebear]

what does being opposed to the idea have anything to do with moving on? the fact that i have no respect for Pat as she went after Geno and UCONN all those years has zero to do with it (her name being on the NC trophy).

if someone commits murder and the family forgives the crime, does that mean everyone else moves on from it? no. the murder is left to sit in jail for many years for his/her crimes. of course i'm not equating what Pat did to murder, but i'd say most all of us have moved on. it's not like we as fans sit around stewing about all the crap Pat pulled on UCONN and Geno. having said that, when the subject comes up, it gets discussed. the fact that people actually remember what she said and did is hardly "holding on".

and btw, if the mess was created by the early onset of Pat's illness, then she should come out and publicly apologize to Geno for what she did. that certainly would be the right thing to do. if what you suggested is true, i would certainly feel differently if her smear and attack campaign was the result of a mental illness.

eric, read what I said. Fact is neither you or I know what went down. It was never prosecuted by the NCAA and neither Geno nor Pat has spoken. It may well have been the result of the onset of Pat's disease. Paranoia is one expression of Alzheimer's.

Comparing it to a capital crime is simply ridiculous.

 

[EricSD]

eric, read what I said. Fact is neither you or I know what went down. It was never prosecuted by the NCAA and neither Geno nor Pat has spoken. It may well have been the result of the onset of Pat's disease. Paranoia is one expression of Alzheimer's.

Comparing it to a capital crime is simply ridiculous.

ice, how about you read what i wrote. i was not comparing the crime. in fact i even said so. please read before you post. thanks!!

 

[Icebear]

ice, how about you read what i wrote. i was not comparing the crime. in fact i even said so. please read before you post. thanks!!

Except you did exactly that. It wasn't even necessary to bring it in.

 

[EricSD]

Except you did exactly that. It wasn't even necessary to bring it in.

i most certainly did not. please stop with this. perhaps you are moody because we lost. but don't take it out on me.

 

[justML]

A championship win is a team win. I don't think the trophy should be named after any individual.

I think an award to be given in her name would be most appropriate.

 

[asuwish]

Woody Paige - Link

Would be hard to argue against it, if the NCAA decides to do it.

To my knowledge no NCAA championship trophy is named after anyone. Not John Wooden on the men's side, not Bear Bryant in Football, not even the Trinity squash coach. What if Geno wins 6 more (hopefully), and had something bad happen to him (hopefully not) would you change the name. Her place in history is secure.

 

[Aluminny69]

Thought I would add this to this thread:

Auriemma-Summitt feud may be over

 

[UCONNfan1]

Kudos to Geno if he's able to forgive all the crap she pulled. He's clearly a great guy. I get given Pat's disease that he'd rise above it all and be the bigger person offering condolances and support. I doubt we ever see Pat apologize for the lies, etc, but she certianly deserves to go out on her own terms.

 

[tomcat]

I like this idea a lot. It would not be putting a name on a championship, which would still be the NCAA championship. It would be putting a name on a trophy. Different thing altogether. Kind of like naming the playing area of a school's arena for a coach, without naming the building for that person.

 

[easttexastrash]

I don't think putting a name on the NCAA Championship is correct. JMO

This...

 

[neutral_site]

No. I don't respond negatively to the idea (though I'd lean against) so much as to some of the reasons advanced for it in this article.

The "winningest and best" is only half true. She's not the best and hasn't been for a long time. She is/has been a great recruiter and master motivator. She was outstanding at coaching certain aspects of the game (defense, rebounding) but never, at her best, was as brilliant overall as Geno especially, and a few others.

And she has no special claim to association with the National Championship either directly (Geno will equal and then surpass her record on that in the not so distant future) or by general weight of accomplishment (latter point more arguable).

And the final thing that sticks in my craw is the "Geno waged a war of words to which she didn't respond." His "war" was never serious, just some "smart remarks" that were uppity at worst. She wasn't equipped for any number of reasons to respond in kind, which would've been entertaining. But she did respond, in ways that were not to her credit.

I can see this thread getting to be a problem and will have to watch it. But we can give Ms. Summit all due credit without exaggerating her skills or rectitude as this writer does.

Really interesting perspective.
I gave Pat credit for making the game "athletic", which has maybe had some bad consequences in terms of injury rates, and so forth.

I'm also no way, no how interested in seeing the women's game mimic or become the men's game, so I've enjoyed the differences when teams like Stanford or UConn have been successful.

All over the country, the women's game is suffering from attendance drops, poor referee pools, and a dropoff in many high school programs as girls get hooked into other sports such as soccer or volleyball. I am hoping the new generation of women's basketball coaches can get momentum going forward again, and I think that may be out of the reach of the older coaches like Pat or Tara VDV or McGraw.

I probably would NOT want the Trophy named for her, but maybe some other award that would be pertinent to coaches.

 

[Wonkster]

I'm not a big fan of naming championship trophies - things like the Wooden awards were actually created with the name which is OK especially because he was actually involved in the process...

Gee, and here I thought it was originally carved out of a wooden plank!
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[Dairyair]

Crappy article, crappy idea...'nuff said