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Keep your concerns to yourself!
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ConnHuskBask
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Also, not for nothing but from the whole cultural angle, do we really think Joe Blow State U husky fan from Meriden has more in common with the kid paying $90K a year to attend Georgetown or the average Kansas State fan? The culture thing is way overblown.
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I don't care who we play as long as they are competitive -- there's nothing about the Big 12 that screams not competitive -- as much as many posters like to compare them, they are not the AAC.
As the great Jim Calhoun would say, line 'em up!
Mister Wonderful
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Playing Kansas twice a year would dwarf playing Villanova twice a year. The crowds would be insane.
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Could not agree more! Boston College has long been a great ally and supporter to the University of Connecticut. And sure Syracuse indicated it opposed us back before the Louisville ACC expansion, but they've probably changed their minds, right?
Duke, oddly enough, has always been in favor of adding us, so there's that. Of course, that leftover league isn't likely to command competitive dollars compared to the the big 10, the SEC, or even the big 12, but what the heck money is not everything!
It absolutely is the right call to wait for the ACCGOR to lapse in 2036 and hope that the league blows up, and then hope more that the leftovers have nowhere else to go and finally decide they want to be in a conference with us. Of course, in the meantime we will have foregone over a half billion dollars of potential income by joining the big 12 now, but really why not take a chance? I mean what do we have to lose… Well other than the viability of our athletic department.
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The BIG 12 has a much greater national exposure than BE. That would be a positive for UConn.
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How about we talk about if they don’t go to the Big 12 if not invited.
I’ll give you one,the athletic department goes broke!
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Thanks for posting and showing us how stupid you are.
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How did monitoring the situation work out the last time? Success of college sports programs lay on good coaching staffs and the support they get. Just look at our own AD coaching hires through the years.
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Listening to Brett Yormark right now on Sirius XM College Sports. Aside from the money. Aside from the stability and aside from the benefits to multiple sports and I will say including the long-term viability of our basketball program. This guy is an absolute visionary He's a great leader with endless ideas about making his league better and the landscape of college athletics better. He's beginning tremendous initiatives even outside of the United States for the Big 12. We'd be incredibly lucky to get on this ship with his leadership right now. This guy may be the best conference commissioner in the entire country. Put aside your feelings and your nostalgia and make every attempt to find the interview that I just heard. And away games are definitely on the table with this league.
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Someone link this if they find it.
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He started out by lighting it up on basketball in the Northeast and then he went into some of his other initiatives including Mexico and promoting basketball across different borders. The guy just doesn't stop. I could probably figure out a way to capture the audio and post it somewhere but I'm sure one of the media people hopefully will get to it.
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The concerns always seem to be centered around basketball and the teams performance/fan support in the AAC.
A couple of key differences: 20-30M in athletic revenue… and a conference that is consistently one of, if not the best in hoops.
In the AAC Cincinnati was probably the most attractive opponent. In the Big XII now it’s middle of the pack. In the AAC, UCF was middle of the pack, now it’s among the worse. Fan interest in those opponents shouldn’t wain.. at least not if you’re looking for top end matchups in conference.
Performance and the drop off of the program in AAC is often cited. That was a coaching issue, poor coaching led to poor performance which led to poor attendance. Hurley looked poised to make noise in the AAC tournament pre-COVID cancellation and by 2021 the program seemed to be back on the right path. Attendance’s initial surge may have been from conference interest, but long term attendance is sustained by team performance (much like the football team went from drawing 38-40k when it was last competitive to 15k as it bottomed out).
In the end it’s a no brainer for the school if offered you accept. You don’t wait to see what happens in 13 years when the ACC GOR runs out…. Unless you’ve got a donor with an extra $25-30M (or more) annually to supplement the athletic department’s revenue to fund your patience.
A couple of key differences: 20-30M in athletic revenue… and a conference that is consistently one of, if not the best in hoops.
In the AAC Cincinnati was probably the most attractive opponent. In the Big XII now it’s middle of the pack. In the AAC, UCF was middle of the pack, now it’s among the worse. Fan interest in those opponents shouldn’t wain.. at least not if you’re looking for top end matchups in conference.
Performance and the drop off of the program in AAC is often cited. That was a coaching issue, poor coaching led to poor performance which led to poor attendance. Hurley looked poised to make noise in the AAC tournament pre-COVID cancellation and by 2021 the program seemed to be back on the right path. Attendance’s initial surge may have been from conference interest, but long term attendance is sustained by team performance (much like the football team went from drawing 38-40k when it was last competitive to 15k as it bottomed out).
In the end it’s a no brainer for the school if offered you accept. You don’t wait to see what happens in 13 years when the ACC GOR runs out…. Unless you’ve got a donor with an extra $25-30M (or more) annually to supplement the athletic department’s revenue to fund your patience.
Notre Dame - destroying power conferences since 1995. Anyone else want to include them as a “partial” member?
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I have stated multiple time on this forum that the mentality like OP's is simply ridiculous and clueless. Waiting for the ACC to blow up? WTF care about BCU, Fruits, sPitt, and others that have screwed UCONN over the years? Does the OP really think these schools will be nice to UCONN once the ACC got blown up?
If we don't join the B12, those backstabbing spots will simply take our B12 spots when the ACC is torn to pieces. ACC is on its way down, and it will take a miracle to save it. The minute the GOR is done, Clemson, FSU and Canes will be out of the door. Once first wave of rats jump ship, the rest of smaller rats will be looking for any lifeboat. At that time, you bet your asses they will be looking at the B12 as a landing spot vs. banding together and try to rebuild the ACC. UCONN would be screwed badly during that time as well.
The minute we are offered the B12 membership, we take it. Brett Yormark is an awesome commissioner with a vision. The ACC commissioner is a genius who is short-sighted like the old Big East guy. We need to join the B12 as soon as we are offered.
If we don't join the B12, those backstabbing spots will simply take our B12 spots when the ACC is torn to pieces. ACC is on its way down, and it will take a miracle to save it. The minute the GOR is done, Clemson, FSU and Canes will be out of the door. Once first wave of rats jump ship, the rest of smaller rats will be looking for any lifeboat. At that time, you bet your asses they will be looking at the B12 as a landing spot vs. banding together and try to rebuild the ACC. UCONN would be screwed badly during that time as well.
The minute we are offered the B12 membership, we take it. Brett Yormark is an awesome commissioner with a vision. The ACC commissioner is a genius who is short-sighted like the old Big East guy. We need to join the B12 as soon as we are offered.
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Here's the Interview from today.
I'll leave it up for 48 hours on the cloud as a "news" item but will be pulling it down as it's news value probably has a limited period.
BY Interview
I'll leave it up for 48 hours on the cloud as a "news" item but will be pulling it down as it's news value probably has a limited period.
BY Interview
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I want all the UConn fans that are guaranteeing mountains of revenue from the Big 12 to have to actually personally guarantee mountains of revenue from the Big 12. I am guessing there won't be a lot of takers if the university asked alumni for a guarantee.
We have no idea how college sports is going to look in 5 years much less 10, but this board throws money around that is based on a cable TV model that no longer exists and where the schools that were willing to cheat had a huge advantage over the schools that were not. Between streaming, the Transfer Portal, and NIL, the business model for college sports has changed completely in just the last 2-3 years.
Ironically, the same people that assert with absolute certainty that the Big 12 will last forever and be worth hundreds of millions in revenue for UConn, also have this bizarre theory about how the Pac 12 will come apart but not completely come apart and UConn will get into the Big 12 with Colorado, a theory that makes absolutely no sense at all. If these people are that wrong about the Pac 12, then why are we listening to them about the Big 12?
I am generally in favor of joining the Big 12, but the people claiming it is a no brainer need to settle down. Joining the Big 12 could blow up on UConn so badly that the athletic program could become a wasteland. This is not a no-brainer decision.
We have no idea how college sports is going to look in 5 years much less 10, but this board throws money around that is based on a cable TV model that no longer exists and where the schools that were willing to cheat had a huge advantage over the schools that were not. Between streaming, the Transfer Portal, and NIL, the business model for college sports has changed completely in just the last 2-3 years.
Ironically, the same people that assert with absolute certainty that the Big 12 will last forever and be worth hundreds of millions in revenue for UConn, also have this bizarre theory about how the Pac 12 will come apart but not completely come apart and UConn will get into the Big 12 with Colorado, a theory that makes absolutely no sense at all. If these people are that wrong about the Pac 12, then why are we listening to them about the Big 12?
I am generally in favor of joining the Big 12, but the people claiming it is a no brainer need to settle down. Joining the Big 12 could blow up on UConn so badly that the athletic program could become a wasteland. This is not a no-brainer decision.
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One of the things he mentioned was the Rucker Park Program. This guy knows how to market his product. It's this coming Tuesday if anyone is in the area.
www.newsbreak.com
Big 12 plans to play exhibition basketball games at iconic Rucker Park - NewsBreak
The Big 12 conference announced on Thursday that it is bringing youth basketball clinics to the iconic Rucker Park, and hopes to play exhibition games ther
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Really great point - about as brilliant as: "I want all the UConn fans that are guaranteeing mountains of revenue from the [State of Connecticut] to have to actually personally guarantee mountains of revenue from the [State of Connecticut] . I am guessing there won't be a lot of takers if the university asked alumni for a guarantee."
Yes people are saying joining the B12 is a no brainer, so sorry you agree that they should join the B12 too, but that you are bothered people don't sit here and bloviate like you with all the risks, concerns and trade offs as if no one else can seem them.
The world is fraught with risks and rewards. With linear TV poised to die over the next 10 years, those relying on FS2 type coverage might be devastated. The golden age of cable tv, like the golden age of radio has probably past.
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Iger gave an interview today that appears to put ABC and ESPN up for sale, yet you are arguing that the Big 12 is the way to go because the Big 12 has a contract with ESPN. Good logic.
Geographic proximity is helpful. Geographic proximity is not on the table and has already been pointed out, its mostly a joke for basketball. Geographic proximity is not going to cover the pile of dollars being in the B12 will bring.
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You said UConn should join the B12..... You took a long walk to get to the same place and now you seem to want a reward for taking the walk many didn't need to take or were able to amble through in short while.
Iger also said sports are important and reliable for advertisers. What happens to linear tv is tricky, things do not look very good.
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Contracts typically transfer to the buyer. It’s all part of the due diligence that gets done pre-transaction. $$ won’t change. Platform would most likely
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I just saw the interview and that's not what he said. But let's assume you're correct in your interpretation. The Big 12 currently has a contract that's better than all but two other conferences. What's your other great option or are we just having fun repeating ourselves and playing devil's advocate?
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One can dream. I would love nothing more than BC and ND joining their Catholic sisters in the CR dance. BC is certainly a possibility.
Wait, so you are saying someone is going to spend a preposterous amount of money to buy ESPN, and then disband the network and leave the Big 12 high and dry?
Couple points:
1) Iger specifically called out the value of sports programming. If they divest I see them divesting all the networks that aren't in the ESPN/ABC family. They would sell off all the FX channels, National Geographic, etc type channels. Those are the ones that aren't bringing value to Disney. They also want to go DTC, which ESPN enables. Nobody is paying DTC for FX and Nat Geo and I could see them discontinuing the Disney channels to focus on Disney+.
2) People need to just stop with geography nonsense. Instead of Nebraska (Creighton) you're going to Kansas. Big deal. Instead of Cincinnati, you're going . . . to Cincinnati. Chicago, Milwaukee trips aren't any different than trips to Texas. A few more minutes on a plane. There would be three other teams in the eastern time zone. You can schedule GTown and Providence in the non-conference.
1) Iger specifically called out the value of sports programming. If they divest I see them divesting all the networks that aren't in the ESPN/ABC family. They would sell off all the FX channels, National Geographic, etc type channels. Those are the ones that aren't bringing value to Disney. They also want to go DTC, which ESPN enables. Nobody is paying DTC for FX and Nat Geo and I could see them discontinuing the Disney channels to focus on Disney+.
2) People need to just stop with geography nonsense. Instead of Nebraska (Creighton) you're going to Kansas. Big deal. Instead of Cincinnati, you're going . . . to Cincinnati. Chicago, Milwaukee trips aren't any different than trips to Texas. A few more minutes on a plane. There would be three other teams in the eastern time zone. You can schedule GTown and Providence in the non-conference.
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I feel exactly how you do. This past year playing schools I care about, BSing with my Providence and Nova friends, taking the train to MSG was my favorite season ever. So much fun!
I fear we lose all of that with the B12. I don’t care about the money. We’re a state flagship, we’ll be well funded regardless.
I fear we lose all of that with the B12. I don’t care about the money. We’re a state flagship, we’ll be well funded regardless.
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This is what annoys the basketball fans, when the football-first crew makes these disingenuous arguments. You can make an argument that the move has to be made without pretending that the travel isn't much worse. Traveling to Milwaukee is not comparable to Texas, and that's ignoring the fact that there are four teams in Texas (and another next door in Oklahoma).
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