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MoJeff released by Dallas

Argonaut said:
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So does her full salary count against the Wings' salary cap for the current year? If so, then how do the Wings gain from releasing her?
 
JoePgh said:
So does her full salary count against the Wings' salary cap for the current year? If so, then how do the Wings gain from releasing her?
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Between MoJeff and Astou Ndour, the Wings are spending close to $300,000 on players they’ve waived.

I’m assuming they did it to open a roster spot, but I’m not sure what kind of cap space they have.
 
Dillon77 said:
Skylar Diggins-Smith and Kayla McBride, both of whom would qualify as successful pro's in my opinion.
-- There's Jewell Loyd, Lindsay Allen (not this year, but all others) and the entire starting five from the 2018-19 team: Arike Ogunbowale, Bri Turner, Marina Mabrey, Jackie Young and Jess Shepard.

That group has done pretty darn well so far in so far as staying in the league.But what about the next steps once they're there?
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In think Dillon makes a winning point...In general...huge talents excepted...Dee, Maya, Bri...the UConn style of play is less physical and less the way the game is played in the W than those players who graduate ND

You may not like it...but it may very well be a fact...The W is a pretty rough and tumble experience...which may have contributed to Mo's less than starry experience to date.

I surely did not expect the success of Jess and Marina...and thought that the only me style of Arike would quickly founder...surprisingly not.

I recall a post that when E was playing her first exhibition game and showed some reticence to shoot, a teammate yelled, "if you're open ...Shoot."...Consider Arike in that light.
 
The WNBA is screwed up and I don't know the answer. I don't follow deeply outside the Sun, but I read here Mo Jeff gets cut and my first thought was "what did I miss, how did she screw up"? Turns out she didn't screw up at all. I just read this in the Defector by a big WNBA supporter writing about the Lynx: "Point guard Moriah Jefferson, a fluid and reliable shooter the Lynx signed Friday, looked like a valuable addition in Saturday’s close loss to Chicago." How does a fluid and reliable shooter get cut from a perennially cruddy team? Maybe that's why they are perennially cruddy.
 
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Waquoit said:
The WNBA is screwed up and I don't know the answer. I don't follow deeply outside the Sun, but I read here Mo Jeff gets cut and my first thought was "what did I miss, how did she screw up"? Turns out she didn't screw up at all. I just read this in the Defector by a big WNBA supporter writing about the Lynx: "Point guard Moriah Jefferson, a fluid and reliable shooter the Lynx signed Friday, looked like a valuable addition in Saturday’s close loss to Chicago." How does a fluid and reliable shooter get cut from a perennially cruddy team? Maybe that's why they are perennially cruddy.
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MoJeff needed a team that runs an actual offense.

Dallas is happy to live and die by Arike, so anyone whose game is reliant on much more than going 1 on 1 with your defender will look like trash in their system.
 
Argonaut said:
MoJeff needed a team that runs an actual offense.

Dallas is happy to live and die by Arike, so anyone whose game is reliant on much more than going 1 on 1 with your defender will look like trash in their system.
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Exactly! Dallas has historically had a bunch of shoot-first players. Saniya tried to run offense there. So did Moriah. Arike is a spectacular player, but is she a winning player at the highest level?
 
msf22b said:
Mo scored 20 in her 2nd game and with McBride back, they won.
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I watched the game last night vs the Sparks. Mo looked good. Still quick as ever. Liv is back with the Sparks. She didn't play, coach’s decision. It was the Lynx first win of the season (1-4), 87-84.
 
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JoePgh said:
So does her full salary count against the Wings' salary cap for the current year? If so, then how do the Wings gain from releasing her?
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If you read down the trail, Richard Cohen -- the initial poster -- answers this: since Minnesota picked up the contract, they're now responsible for it.
 
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eebmg said:
When was the left panel taken? They had a UConn visit together? :confused:
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Seeing the Oregon logo in the background and the old UConn letting on Moriah’s jacket and looking at old schedules, I’m going to say it was the December 31, 2012 game at Oregon. UConn wins 95-51. So Evina would have been 12? 13?
 
This might have already been answered or discussed elsewhere but evina seemed like a huge UCONN fan… is there a reason geno didn’t go after her more or did her interest in UCONN change prior to her committing to Tennessee? It would’ve been nice to have someone of her caliber and integrity playing for the Huskies all 4 years.
 
Byukiok808 said:
This might have already been answered or discussed elsewhere but evina seemed like a huge UCONN fan… is there a reason geno didn’t go after her more or did her interest in UCONN change prior to her committing to Tennessee? It would’ve been nice to have someone of her caliber and integrity playing for the Huskies all 4 years.
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I think there was a little disconnect in the recruiting process and Uconn thought she wasn't interested/she thought they weren't. Uconn signed Walker, Gordon, Coombs and Espinoza-Hunter - the class that disintegrated.
 
2015 draftees forward who have been under contract in 2022:
r Christyn Williams (cut injured)
r Evina Westbrook (17 min 2 points)
r Olivia (injured but on bench)
2020 Crystal Dangerfield (unemployed at the moment - career 24 mpg)
2020 Megan Walker (13.4 min 4.8 pts)
2018 Azura Stevens (25 min 12 points)
2018 Kia Nurse (signed, no stats, not sure what is up - career 26 mpg)
2018 Gabby Williams (23 min 4.3 points)
2019 Napheesa Collier (pregnant - career 34 mpg )
2019 Katie Lou (23 min 9 points first game back)
2016 MoJeff (averaging 35.5 minutes and 18 points 5.5 assts for Minn.)
2016 Breanna Stewart (28.5 min 19 points - covid protocol)
2015 Kiah Stokes (just back from overseas? career 21 mpg)

2014 Stef Dolson
2014 Bria Hartley
2012 Tiffany Hayes (overseas still?)
2010 Tina Charles
2004 DT
2002 Sue Bird

As for WNBA successful, I would say averaging 20+ minutes per game is certainly successful and probably anything over 10 mpg is moderately successful. For career ... anyone playing 7 years or longer is 'successful' even as a career bench warmer seeing as you have beaten out 6 subsequent draft classes.)

Overseas has so many different levels of play that it is hard to categorize what 'playing overseas' really means. Meghan Gardler played a few years in Sweden, and won league MVP in Luxembourg in 2012 and while it looked like she had a great time, I am not sure I would classify it as 'successful.'
 
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UcMiami said:
2015 draftees forward who have been under contract in 2022:
r Christyn Williams (cut injured)
r Evina Westbrook (17 min 2 points)
r Olivia (injured but on bench)
2020 Crystal Dangerfield (unemployed at the moment - career 24 mpg)
2020 Megan Walker (13.4 min 4.8 pts)
2018 Azura Stevens (25 min 12 points)
2018 Kia Nurse (signed, no stats, not sure what is up - career 26 mpg)
2018 Gabby Williams (23 min 4.3 points)
2019 Napheesa Collier (pregnant - career 34 mpg )
2019 Katie Lou (23 min 9 points first game back)
2016 MoJeff (averaging 35.5 minutes and 18 points 5.5 assts for Minn.)
2016 Breanna Stewart (28.5 min 19 points - covid protocol)
2015 Kiah Stokes (just back from overseas? career 21 mpg)

2014 Stef Dolson
2014 Bria Hartley
2012 Tiffany Hayes (overseas still?)
2010 Tina Charles
2004 DT
2002 Sue Bird

As for WNBA successful, I would say averaging 20+ minutes per game is certainly successful and probably anything over 10 mpg is moderately successful. For career ... anyone playing 7 years or longer is 'successful' even as a career bench warmer seeing as you have beaten out 6 subsequent draft classes.)

Overseas has so many different levels of play that it is hard to categorize what 'playing overseas' really means. Meghan Gardler played a few years in Sweden, and won league MVP in Luxembourg in 2012 and while it looked like she had a great time, I am not sure I would classify it as 'successful.'
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Nurse tore her ACL last playoffs. She's recovering
 
Dillon77 said:
If you read down the trail, Richard Cohen -- the initial poster -- answers this: since Minnesota picked up the contract, they're now responsible for it.
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Minn signed MoJeff as a free agent to a new contract.

it is my understanding that IF Minn had claimed MoJeff off waivers, Minn would assume the existing contract. They didn't so they aren't. Dallas is still responsible in part or whole cap wise and/or money wise for the contract she was on with Dallas.
 
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CajunHusky said:
Minn signed MoJeff as a free agent.

it is my understanding that IF Minn had claimed MoJeff off waivers, Minn would assume the contract. They didn't so they aren't. Dallas is still responsible in part or whole cap wise and/or money wise.
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I believe it is similar to other pro sports - a waived player who is claimed travels with their contract still in place (just transferred to the claiming team), an unclaimed player signed as a free agent can be signed for whatever the league minimum is and the difference between that and the guaranteed money from the waiving team remains the responsibility of the team that waived the player.

Example:
Play X had a contract guarantee of $180,000 and is waived by Team Y. Unclaimed, she signs a contract for $100,000 with team Z. Team Y still pays $80,000 of the original contract, and Team Z pays $100,000 per the new contract.
 
CajunHusky said:
it is my understanding that IF Minn had claimed MoJeff off waivers, Minn would assume the existing contract. They didn't so they aren't. Dallas is still responsible in part or whole cap wise and/or money wise for the contract she was on with Dallas.
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UcMiami said:
Play X had a contract guarantee of $180,000 and is waived by Team Y. Unclaimed, she signs a contract for $100,000 with team Z. Team Y still pays $80,000 of the original contract, and Team Z pays $100,000 per the new contract.
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Richard Cohen response on MoJeff:
"If they claim her off waivers, you assume all elements of the current contract (so 180k guaranteed). If she clears waivers, the contract no longer exists and she's an unrestricted free agent who can sign with whoever for whatever."
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Thanks to both of you for weighing in.
I probably read Cohen's response too quickly and/or didn't realize that MoJeff had cleared waivers.

Given the precariousness of most WNBA teams' salary cap situation, it makes sense for teams to let players clear waivers and then sign as a free agent.
 
Dillon77 said:
Richard Cohen response on MoJeff:
"If they claim her off waivers, you assume all elements of the current contract (so 180k guaranteed). If she clears waivers, the contract no longer exists and she's an unrestricted free agent who can sign with whoever for whatever."
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Thanks to both of you for weighing in.
I probably read Cohen's response too quickly and/or didn't realize that MoJeff had cleared waivers.

Given the precariousness of most WNBA teams' salary cap situation, it makes sense for teams to let players clear waivers and then sign as a free agent.
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So does this response mean that the Dallas Wings are still on the hook for her $180,000 of guaranteed salary, and that this counts against the Wings' salary cap?

It sounds as if Moriah will get this money over and above whatever the Lynx are paying her, so she should be financially comfortable even if she is being paid a minimum salary by the Lynx. Or is the guaranteed amount automatically reduced by whatever she gets from the Lynx?

I wonder if Crystal had any guaranteed money that she is still being paid, which would presumably count against the Lynx's cap.
 
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A few players do not have off-set language in their contracts, but off-set language (guaranteed is off-set by any money in a new contract signed by another team) is pretty standard for sports contracts. I suspect most if not all WNBA contracts have the off-set language. NFL and MLB I know sometimes do not include that language.
 
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