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The simple problem is that Americans have no interest in something if it isn’t the best. Nobody here really follows pro basketball in Spain.
True dat, yet more than a few of us don’t really follow the nba nor any pro basketball nor baseball anywhere on this planet.
 
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The simple problem is that Americans have no interest in something if it isn’t the best.
The exception to that rule is "unless they have a rooting interest". Why do people care about college basketball? It's not the best.

That's my main argument for pro/rel. I couldn't care less about MLS. When I have PSG and Barca on my DVR I'm not watching MLS. But if my team had a path to MLS, no matter how slight, I would become a fan overnight. That's the only way I see to grow the league. You read how it has no chance because of all the money MLS franchises cost. That's probably true. But the current cost isn't what the franchises are worth. And I think that worth will keep dropping with continued slow/no growth.
 
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.... That's my main argument for pro/rel. I couldn't care less about MLS. ..... But if my team had a path to MLS, no matter how slight, I would become a fan overnight. That's the only way I see to grow the league. ...
I agree that promotion / relegation creates fan interest. It makes almost every game count towards moving up or avoiding being demoted. I follow a team in Germany that in a matter of about eight years has been demoted from 2nd division, demoted from 3rd division into 4th. After one year in the 4th division they entered a playoff among 5 other Regional league times and moved back to the 3. Bundesliga. That year they came in third and won a playoff with the third to last team from the second division (1860 Munich) to move back to the 2. Bundelsliga. The constant tension for the last two years has been to reach the 40 match points it usually takes to maintain second division status - the much coveted "Klassenerhalt". I wish the USL would get such as system started at 2nd and 3rd division level to introduce this exciting aspect of the game.
 

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I agree that promotion / relegation creates fan interest. It makes almost every game count towards moving up or avoiding being demoted. I follow a team in Germany that in a matter of about eight years has been demoted from 2nd division, demoted from 3rd division into 4th. After one year in the 4th division they entered a playoff among 5 other Regional league times and moved back to the 3. Bundesliga. That year they came in third and won a playoff with the third to last team from the second division (1860 Munich) to move back to the 2. Bundelsliga. The constant tension for the last two years has been to reach the 40 match points it usually takes to maintain second division status - the much coveted "Klassenerhalt". I wish the USL would get such as system started at 2nd and 3rd division level to introduce this exciting aspect of the game.
I would like to see the USL do this as well. And I think the NPSL will do it sooner rather than later with their new pro division.

I can’t believe that K-Town fell all the way down to the German 3rd Division. That’s a really big club that has fallen far.
 
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I also agree that USL should do it.

With MLS growing larger than they really should be with number of teams, they should split the league into two parts and do some sort of pro/Rel between those two parts. So basically no one leaves MLS. However, maybe make the upper tier receive a higher cut of the revenue? I don't know. I think just introducing it is a start. It is one thing to do it in USL or NPSL but no one really follows that league. I know the MLS thing is not going to happen but it guarantees that none of the precious owners lose any large chunks of money.
 

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Forgive the soccer noob who basically follows only the Bolton Wanderers in their UConn-like death spiral. but why couldn't MLS add two "flex spots" to the league for relegation/promotion? All current MLS franchises are guaranteed eternal life in MLS, but each year two teams can be promoted/relegated from those two "open slots" through some kind of play-in tournament between the current occupants of those positions and the challengers from below?

This would build regional interest and open about one billion marketing opportunities.
 
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Forgive the soccer noob who basically follows only the Bolton Wanderers in their UConn-like death spiral. but why couldn't MLS add two "flex spots" to the league for relegation/promotion? All current MLS franchises are guaranteed eternal life in MLS, but each year two teams can be promoted/relegated from those two "open slots" through some kind of play-in tournament between the current occupants of those positions and the challengers from below?

This would build regional interest and open about one billion marketing opportunities.
This is a good idea but I think it's crap that MLS teams get to stay. I'm assuming that in your plan MLS teams can't go down and only the USL,NASL, NPSL teams can do that through those flex spots? So let's just say that Hartford Athletic gains one of these promotion spots and finishes middle of their division while someone like DC United wins 3 games. HA then has to play in the Pro/Rel game because they aren't a MLS member? That would suck for them.

I like the idea but it would suck for those teams that bust their butts to get up there, and then have to play a game to stay up when MLS teams have worse records.
 
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I would like to see the USL do this as well. And I think the NPSL will do it sooner rather than later with their new pro division.

I can’t believe that K-Town fell all the way down to the German 3rd Division. That’s a really big club that has fallen far.
Right, Kaiserslautern has such a great history in the Bundesliga. About the time I was becoming aware of the Bundesliga Köln played Kickers Offenbach in a German Cup match. Now Köln and Hamburg are both in the Second Bundesliga this year and Offenbach is in a Regional league - division IV. 1860 was in the 4th div. only last year (now third). The mobility up and down creates great interest and tension during the entire season.
 

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Right, Kaiserslautern has such a great history in the Bundesliga. About the time I was becoming aware of the Bundesliga Köln played Kickers Offenbach in a German Cup match. Now Köln and Hamburg are both in the Second Bundesliga this year and Offenbach is in a Regional league - division IV. 1860 was in the 4th div. only last year (now third). The mobility up and down creates great interest and tension during the entire season.
I was living in K-Town when they got sent down. You could hear the whole city grinding it’s teeth at once during the process.

I don’t think the US will ever have anything like that in sports.
 

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This is a good idea but I think it's crap that MLS teams get to stay. I'm assuming that in your plan MLS teams can't go down and only the USL,NASL, NPSL teams can do that through those flex spots? So let's just say that Hartford Athletic gains one of these promotion spots and finishes middle of their division while someone like DC United wins 3 games. HA then has to play in the Pro/Rel game because they aren't a MLS member? That would suck for them.

I like the idea but it would suck for those teams that bust their butts to get up there, and then have to play a game to stay up when MLS teams have worse records.
It does suck, but it’s all about the dollars. MLS is never going to be a meritocracy in the context of other leagues.
 
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Meanwhile down south, Miami will now play in a 'temporary, 18,000 seat stadium down in Ft. Lauderdale (why they don't just use FAU's 29,000 seat stadium is beyond me) before moving to the 'planned' stadium in Miami that is scheduled to be opened by 2022. I have friends in S Florida who insist that Miami and Ft. Lauderdale are two separate markets. Odds on any of this ever happening?

Beckham bid gets nod on Ft. Lauderdale site
 
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Meanwhile down south, Miami will now play in a 'temporary, 18,000 seat stadium down in Ft. Lauderdale (why they don't just use FAU's 29,000 seat stadium is beyond me) before moving to the 'planned' stadium in Miami that is scheduled to be opened by 2022. I have friends in S Florida who insist that Miami and Ft. Lauderdale are two separate markets. Odds on any of this ever happening?

Beckham bid gets nod on Ft. Lauderdale site
Yup. They will play in Lockhart Stadium. Former home of the Fort Lauderdale Strikers and the Miami Fusion.
 
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Meanwhile down south, Miami will now play in a 'temporary, 18,000 seat stadium down in Ft. Lauderdale (why they don't just use FAU's 29,000 seat stadium is beyond me) before moving to the 'planned' stadium in Miami that is scheduled to be opened by 2022. I have friends in S Florida who insist that Miami and Ft. Lauderdale are two separate markets. Odds on any of this ever happening?

Beckham bid gets nod on Ft. Lauderdale site
It's right up there with the Revs getting a real stadium. Problem is, NE is a set team, whatever Miami is, has not been established or has played a game on any pitch. I'm still skeptical they even become a team.
 

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