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CL82 said:
Well.... I'm sure you're right, the media reports are wrong.

In any event, let me cut up your food into itty bitty chewable pieces and remind you that the $8 million we made last year in the big east was not due to media distributions. It was largely due to the distributions of the tournament credits earned in the NCAA tournament. They are due to our efforts and not the innate value of the Big East conference.

Again, if you would set the hyperbole aside, you're not entirely wrong. "No one wants to see Pac 12 football" is why it is only worth $.25 on the dollar of what a P4 conference gets. But, it is worth more than any other "G6" conference. If Connecticut can dip its beak in that revenue, joining for football only, without jeopardizing whatever nominal chance they have at going to a P4 conference, and without significant entrance or exit fees, it makes financial sense to do so. Those are big ifs though.
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Once more for the back of the class….there are no “media reports” on the value of the P12 media deal because there is no P12 media deal.

Reminder, the actual P12 with Cal, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, Washington, Oregon, etc., was only able to get one rights offer which amounted to $20M per team per year and that was from Apple. ESPN, Fox, CBS, everyone, passed on that conference.

This current collection of crapple has been unsuccessful in gaining a media rights deal…they have one fractional deal which is basically the same thing that the Mountain West got from CBS Sports. If you’re out there quoting “media reports” of $12M a year, you’ve not been paying attention.

No one wants this conference. Again, no one wants this conference. They are remnant inventory and their contract and exposure will reflect that.
 
The AAC deal (pre-SMU departure) was distributing 11 full shares 14 ways. All the new schools had to take half shares and the conference had to significantly content increase inventory to maintain that.

None of the G-conferences are in great shape. Memphis, Tulane, ECU, Temple, USF & Tulsa are have the highest media revenues in the G-6; with the possible exception of Wazzou and Oregon State’s unequal Pac-whatever share.
 
For the sake of argument, let's say the PAC's deal is $10mm per, all in.

If this is the case, what could we possibly hope to receive if we were to offer our services as a football only? What would the cost be if we were to incur the amount of travel for our football program?

We are scheduling better than anyone anticipated when we moved from the AAC. Our situation is far from ideal, but we aren't in a situation where we should believe that anything would be better.
 
Revenue-wise UConn would come out ahead (even with travel costs) in a theoretical, however like the AAC the schedule would be less attractive and harder to guarantee the level of success UConn needs to rebuild the fan base and perception necessary to position itself for a move to a middle-two conference.

As long as UConn is able to maintain parity revenue-wise (right now the Big East does that) with other contenders for a potential M2 invitation the extra income doesn’t force a move from a model that (currently) works. Were Memphis to be in the Big East with a significant football-only deal elsewhere that calculus may change (and in the future it may change regardless)
 
One thing I like about the current situation is that we keep keep getting lumped in with ND on graphics and in discussions of conferences, Independents, playoff bids etc. Now that there are no other smaller brands playing as indy, we look a little more interesting. We aren't rubbing shoulders with UMass and the like anymore.

This can really make us intriguing if we can put up a great season or two. We already have a nice brand sitting there next to ND. Make it more of a football brand and we will see benefits. Contrast that to playing in a West Coast football conference and going 4-4 or whatever and I can see the upside to our current path.
 
Hoophound said:
One thing I like about the current situation is that we keep keep getting lumped in with ND on graphics and in discussions of conferences, Independents, playoff bids etc. Now that there are no other smaller brands playing as indy, we look a little more interesting. We aren't rubbing shoulders with UMass and the like anymore.

This can really make us intriguing if we can put up a great season or two. We already have a nice brand sitting there next to ND. Make it more of a football brand and we will see benefits. Contrast that to playing in a West Coast football conference and going 4-4 or whatever and I can see the upside to our current path.
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This does not pay the football bills unfortunately
 
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ZooCougar said:
For a football only deal we probably won’t get half of $7M.

We shouldn’t even consider a football only deal with west coast conference for less that $5-6M.
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Yep, I would think that the increase in travel cost alone will be somewhere in the vicinity of $2.5M, perhaps more.

Keep in mind that Gonzaga reportedly got a full share as a basketball only. I would imagine that UConn would want a full share as a football only.

Benedict isn't going to be an idiot about this. He's already turned them down once. I'd imagine they'd have to make a pretty solid offer for us to be interested.
 
Stinger92860 said:
This does not pay the football bills unfortunately
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It doesn't pay the bills but I think football independence makes us look a little more prestigious as an add to a P4 conference. On Sunday, I was at a cookout and talking sports. One of the guys I was talking with thought that UConn wasn't in the ACC because we didn't want to leave the Big East. He and another guy concurred that we couldn't leave the Big East because we kill it in basketball there. I explained that was not our reality and that we'd gladly leave. Neither thought we should do it. The money situation was lost on them. Good publicity is probably more important than money for the next 3-4 years.
 
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CL82 said:
Yep, I would think that the increase in travel cost alone will be somewhere in the vicinity of $2.5M, perhaps more.

Keep in mind that Gonzaga reportedly got a full share as a basketball only. I would imagine that UConn would want a full share as a football only.

Benedict isn't going to be an idiot about this. He's already turned them down once. I'd imagine they'd have to make a pretty solid offer for us to be interested.
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Agreed- and he said the Pac and UConn weren't a good fit. No AD would characterize it that way if they wanted to keep the door open. Not gonna happen.
 
Hoophound said:
It doesn't pay the bills but I think it makes us look a little more prestigious as an add to a P4 conference. On Sunday, I was at a cookout and talking sports. One of the guys I was talking with thought that UConn wasn't in the ACC because we didn't want to leave the Big East. He and another guy concurred that we couldn't leave the Big East because we kill it in basketball there. I explained that was not our reality and that we'd gladly leave. Neither thought we should do it. The money situation was lost on them. Good publicity is probably more important than money for the next 3-4 years.
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I think it would have made us look desperate and also more expensive should a better opportunity show up later on.

The rumors and these were just rumors is that when the PAC 12 was out recruiting schools they were lowballing everyone. This explains why they had so much trouble getting to the required number.
 
Fishy said:
I can’t keep cutting up people’s food.

It’s not $10,000,000 and it’s far from settled that it’s the best G conference. No one wants to see any of those schools do anything which is why they’ve struggled to get a rights deal done.

And we made $8M in the Big East last year.
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Yeah and if you can guarantee we win the NCAA tournament EVERY year, that will continue. And not a single soul is advocating we go to the PAC in all sports. Nobody. The consideration is doing it for football only, so the $8 million (if we win the Championship) is still there. The possibility of getting another 5-7 million of actual money for football is on top of the NBE deal. And if you are being honest $5-6 million is the real NBE payout
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
Agreed- and he said the Pac and UConn weren't a good fit. No AD would characterize it that way if they wanted to keep the door open. Not gonna happen.
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Dom Amore’s article from last year - UConn sources, requesting anonymity, told the Courant the university doesn’t consider this the right fit “at this time”.

That was right after AAC teams declined & any media deal. Memphis was among those that declined & doesn't sound like they’ve closed the door on anything.
 
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Memphis would do it (football-only) in a heartbeat if they knew they could join the Big East for basketball and just about double their current payout; they seem to have closed the door on an all-sports membership (likely for similar reasons, the increase in revenue not being significant enough to endure a more competitive conference for them (especially in basketball) and less attractive opponents for their fans at home in football).
 
Kowalski said:
Dom Amore’s article from last year - UConn sources, requesting anonymity, told the Courant the university doesn’t consider this the right fit “at this time”.

That was right after AAC teams declined & any media deal. Memphis was among those that declined & doesn't sound like they’ve closed the door on anything.
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The "at this time" was DB being nice. :) By saying "right fit", he said it all. Again, not gonna happen.
 
Fishy said:
They’re going to get less than the AAC. They’re going to get less than what we got last year from the Big East.

You people are deranged.
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I didn’t say anything about leaving the BE I said we’d get more than half a million from the PAC as a football only member. it would be in addition to what we get from the BE for bball
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
Agreed- and he said the Pac and UConn weren't a good fit. No AD would characterize it that way if they wanted to keep the door open. Not gonna happen.
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There's no scenario where this makes sense outside of that conference promising us extra home games and more money than they will have.

freescooter said:
Yeah and if you can guarantee we win the NCAA tournament EVERY year, that will continue. And not a single soul is advocating we go to the PAC in all sports. Nobody. The consideration is doing it for football only, so the $8 million (if we win the Championship) is still there. The possibility of getting another 5-7 million of actual money for football is on top of the NBE deal. And if you are being honest $5-6 million is the real NBE payout
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You’re making up numbers.

bendm said:
I didn’t say anything about leaving the BE I said we’d get more than half a million from the PAC as a football only member. it would be in addition to what we get from the BE for bball
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And sending our football program and staff 3,000 miles four times a year to play schools that cannot even get a pity media deal. You’ll spend more than you make.

Thank God that Dave Benedict is smarter than you nitwits.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
For the sake of argument, let's say the PAC's deal is $10mm per, all in.

If this is the case, what could we possibly hope to receive if we were to offer our services as a football only? What would the cost be if we were to incur the amount of travel for our football program?

We are scheduling better than anyone anticipated when we moved from the AAC. Our situation is far from ideal, but we aren't in a situation where we should believe that anything would be better.
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It is kinda like getting into Harvard. 5% of those who apply get accepted. 100% of those who don’t apply do not get accepted.

I realize we live in the era where people make up their own “facts” but really not a single person has said we should do this under any circumstance. There are differing opinions on what we would require to make such a move but that’s not the same thing. And not a single soul wants to be back in the AAC as currently constructed. And UConn got about $5 million in media dollars from the NBE media deal. The remainder of the $8 plus had nothing to do with the NBE except possibly in a negative way in that they did not get to keep 100 % of ncaa credits. So the $8 might have been 9 or $10 million with no NBE taking its cut to pay DePaul for its presence.
 
Hoophound said:
It doesn't pay the bills but I think football independence makes us look a little more prestigious as an add to a P4 conference. On Sunday, I was at a cookout and talking sports. One of the guys I was talking with thought that UConn wasn't in the ACC because we didn't want to leave the Big East. He and another guy concurred that we couldn't leave the Big East because we kill it in basketball there. I explained that was not our reality and that we'd gladly leave. Neither thought we should do it. The money situation was lost on them. Good publicity is probably more important than money for the next 3-4 years.
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Was one of these guys Chris Murphy?
 
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TRest said:
Was one of these guys Chris Murphy?​
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MURPHY!​
 
Hoophound said:
It doesn't pay the bills but I think football independence makes us look a little more prestigious as an add to a P4 conference. On Sunday, I was at a cookout and talking sports. One of the guys I was talking with thought that UConn wasn't in the ACC because we didn't want to leave the Big East. He and another guy concurred that we couldn't leave the Big East because we kill it in basketball there. I explained that was not our reality and that we'd gladly leave. Neither thought we should do it. The money situation was lost on them. Good publicity is probably more important than money for the next 3-4 years.
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This is a common sentiment among non-UConn fans and college sports casuals. I remember when we joined the NBE some people were like “wait, UConn had left the Big East?” UConn is the only school that gets pigeonholed into one conference and would be considered heretical for considering leaving.
 
Hoophound said:
It doesn't pay the bills but I think football independence makes us look a little more prestigious as an add to a P4 conference.
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Maybe among the casual fans of the P4 but not the admins
 
bendm said:
Maybe among the casual fans of the P4 but not the admins
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I disagree. It’s all about perception at the moment. If we win and get ranked, nobody will care where we are playing. I choose Indy over small conferences. I’d rather be ranked 15 in the country as an Indy than as the best team in the American. We just need to win.
 
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Fishy said:
There's no scenario where this makes sense outside of that conference promising us extra home games and more money than they will have.



You’re making up numbers.



And sending our football program and staff 3,000 miles four times a year to play schools that cannot even get a pity media deal. You’ll spend more than you make.

Thank God that Dave Benedict is smarter than you nitwits.
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I’m not making up numbers at all. I’m laying out what I think is a reasonable number for consideration. As to the $8 million UConn made, you are the one who is implying that is a regular thing when it was record performance and if you look at the data provided, $5 million is much closer to the real media deal. That is what the bottom feeders earn.

Finally, we have had a number of games in the general vicinity of the PAC. We travel to Texas this year. Next year we go to Air Force and Wyoming. We have played at Utah State and Fresno.
 
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