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It would be good for our independent footbal program if we schedule Memphis for football regularly.
Memphis would be going to the PAC12 for football in this scenario. They would be no more likely to schedule us in football then versus now. Unless UConn joined the PAC12 for football, obviously. Which everyone seems to hate that idea - I don’t get why but they do.
 
If the BE still had football then perhaps it makes sense, but not for the NBE. To be nice, Memphis may have money, but they still are from the wrong side of the tracks. Let’s keep the BE classy. SJU is as low as I think the BE should go.
There's no tracks anymore, the current environment of college sports made sure of that. I say bring in Memphis, they're immediately in the top half of the conference for BB.
 
There's no tracks anymore, the current environment of college sports made sure of that. I say bring in Memphis, they're immediately in the top half of the conference for BB.
I disagree that the BE would consider Memphis because they have a good basketball program. Look at the University as a whole and Memphis has nothing in common with the BE. For one, they would be an outlier and an obvious candidate to bolt the first chance they get. Same goes for UConn, but we bring them a perfect geographical blueprint, an elite basketball program, a respected historical partner, and an outstanding University. Memphis doesn’t come close to offering any of that. It would be an act of desperation for the BE to bring in Memphis. I don’t think UConn would be pushing for Memphis either. Memphis doesn’t help us or the BE.
 
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I disagree that the BE would consider Memphis because they have a good basketball program. Look at the University as a whole and Memphis has nothing in common with the BE. For one, they would be an outlier and an obvious candidate to bolt the first chance they get. Same goes for UConn, but we bring them a perfect geographical blueprint, an elite basket program, a respected historical partner, and an outstanding University. Memphis doesn’t come close to offering any of that. It would be an act of desperation for the BE to bring in Memphis. I don’t think UConn would be pushing for Memphis either. Memphis doesn’t help us or the BE.
I think Memphis coming to the Big East is fine. It's hardly the main issue with college basketball conference changes.

We are a top tier program and we are in an inferior conference. It's even more laughable on the Women's side.

If you look what the SEC did, they consolidated power and got 14 teams into the dance. Most of their teams travel on a smaller budget since they are SE USA predominately. And the "East Coast" is made up of two conference in the Big East and the ACC covering a lot of geography instead of being a Carolinas to Connecticut group of UConn, Duke, UNC, NC State, Syracuse, St. John's, Pittsburgh, BC, Virginia, and Wake Forest. That's a solid ten teams, East cost travel, and then grow smartly with other rising east coast teams.
 
There’s already been talk about this on the conference realignment board. For anyone in favor of adding Memphis you must not have been paying attention the last decade or so. Almost every team the Old Big East/AAC brings in jumps UConn for a power conference invitation. Houston, UCF, SMU, Cincy (although they were at least in the mid-2000s Big East). Why throw Memphis a lifeline here? Just to make the Big East slightly, and I mean ever so slightly, better at basketball?
This is 100% correct
 
Everyone on this board should be adamantly opposed to the BE adding Memphis. If they join the BE for Olympic sports and the PAC for football-only then they will automatically be better positioned for a big12 invitation. Succeeding in basketball in the BE and football in the PAC is exactly what the big12 presidents want to see. Not sure why we didn’t do the same when we had the opportunity. Might wind up kicking ourselves for it.
 
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Everyone on this board should be adamantly opposed to the BE adding Memphis. If they join the BE for Olympic sports and the PAC for football-only then they will automatically be better positioned for a big12 invitation. Succeeding in basketball in the BE and football in the PAC is exactly what the big12 presidents want to see. Not sure why we didn’t do the same when we had the opportunity. Might wind up kicking ourselves for it.
Wait.. what football conference did we get an invite from??
 
Wait.. what football conference did we get an invite from??
We didn’t, maybe because UConn dismissed the possibility outright. We did not claim we weren’t interested in the big 12 last summer after being passed over. At least that’s how it was spun. based on the football board they wanted no part in the pac.
 
Everyone on this board should be adamantly opposed to the BE adding Memphis. If they join the BE for Olympic sports and the PAC for football-only then they will automatically be better positioned for a big12 invitation.
I think it’s obvious that Memphis sees PAC for football-only as the way to better position themselves for a P4 invite. And they’re probably right.

Memphis is clearly desperately angling for a P4 invite. And notice that they didn’t lobby for Olympic sports in the Big East before the new PAC, even though they could have always taken their FB independent like Uconn. It must be because they don’t think having an independent FB program helps make a case for a P4 invite.
 
Personally I would love Memphis to join the BE. I was a Mens basket ball season ticket holder for 10 plus years beginning in the Perno years. I moved to Franklin TN 33 years ago and I have would love the opportunity to attend games in Memphis as I did when we were in the AAC.

Memphis will only be allowed in if they bring more money for all BE members and FedEx puts up a ton of money.

I also don't think UCONN will remain in BE long term so this might be pre planning by BE
 
If there becomes an "association" of the top 40 or so football programs in a super league...how about the creation of a basketball superleague of the top 40 or so basketball programs?

Such a one sport league could see teams like UConn, St. Johns, Duke, UNC, Gonzaga, Memphis, Louisville, Va. etc. etc play in a league....the added attraction for possible ACC defectors is that teams like Duke, UNC, Virginia would have an Exit Fee cut to the minimum if six leave for a single sport league (six might be a bridge too far, but it was a thought)
 
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If there becomes an "association" of the top 40 or so football programs in a super league...how about the creation of a basketball superleague of the top 40 or so basketball programs?

Such a one sport league could see teams like UConn, St. Johns, Duke, UNC, Gonzaga, Memphis, Louisville, Va. etc. etc play in a league....the added attraction for possible ACC defectors is that teams like Duke, UNC, Virginia would have an Exit Fee cut to the minimum if six leave for a single sport league (six might be a bridge too far, but it was a thought)
I’d worry it would be the same teams included in the football league, and if it’s not then why ruin March madness too
 
Yeah...but...I could see, if the football goes NFL like to a super league...a break-off also of basketball in an NBA type format.

And yeah, some of the schools in a BB super league would have a football program in the football superleague....In last season's Elite Eight, I see five, maybe six, who would be in the football superleague...teams in the Sweet Sixteen like Bama, Tenn., Auburn, Michigan State, Florida, Michigan....maybe Arkansas, Ole Miss, Maryland if they get carried in by being in a P2...
 
If there becomes an "association" of the top 40 or so football programs in a super league...how about the creation of a basketball superleague of the top 40 or so basketball programs?

Such a one sport league could see teams like UConn, St. Johns, Duke, UNC, Gonzaga, Memphis, Louisville, Va. etc. etc play in a league....the added attraction for possible ACC defectors is that teams like Duke, UNC, Virginia would have an Exit Fee cut to the minimum if six leave for a single sport league (six might be a bridge too far, but it was a thought)
How would you decide many of these teams are deserving? St. John's? Over Villanova, Georgetown, Marquette and Creighton? You see the problem? As soon as you start including, you start excluding and there is no rational principle that gets you there.
 
Deciding doesn't seem to be an issue in football...how is Ole Miss and Purdue in a P2 ? And Clemson not ?

Those that make the decisions do so...and seem to sleep at night.

Ultimately, those that pay for the rights to televise will have the say...and conjure the metrics necessary to justify their wants.
 
There’s already been talk about this on the conference realignment board. For anyone in favor of adding Memphis you must not have been paying attention the last decade or so. Almost every team the Old Big East/AAC brings in jumps UConn for a power conference invitation. Houston, UCF, SMU, Cincy (although they were at least in the mid-2000s Big East). Why throw Memphis a lifeline here? Just to make the Big East slightly, and I mean ever so slightly, better at basketball?
Have you ever done a deep dive and honestly asked yourself why those schools were able to cut into the line ahead of UConn, or are you content to blame UConn's lack of conference ascendency on ESPN, Senator So-And-So, and/or Boston College?
 
I really don't get why anyone would be against this
If you are Providence or Xavier, borderline NCAA teams you don’t want someone who could be a legit program to come in and make your path harder, which Memphis would certainly do. Much better to add another mid-tier Catholic school than a legitimate tournament team.
 
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Deciding doesn't seem to be an issue in football...how is Ole Miss and Purdue in a P2 ? And Clemson not ?

Those that make the decisions do so...and seem to sleep at night.

Ultimately, those that pay for the rights to televise will have the say...and conjure the metrics necessary to justify their wants.
Some of this at the Moment is just an artifact of history. Vanderbilt, Purdue, South Carolina, Northwestern are all there because they were there when the dance started. If you were starting today from scratch they wouldn’t be. Simple as that. Same with basketball. If you were starting a league from scratch with no limitations you wouldn’t include Seton Hall, DePaul, or Georgetown or Butler. UConn Villanova Marquette, Creighton are no brainers. Xavier, PC, St Johns are borderline.
 
Yeah...but...I could see, if the football goes NFL like to a super league...a break-off also of basketball in an NBA type format.

And yeah, some of the schools in a BB super league would have a football program in the football superleague....In last season's Elite Eight, I see five, maybe six, who would be in the football superleague...teams in the Sweet Sixteen like Bama, Tenn., Auburn, Michigan State, Florida, Michigan....maybe Arkansas, Ole Miss, Maryland if they get carried in by being in a P2...
There is no chance we’d be part of a Football super league and if the football schools dictate everything why wouldnt they want to host their own bball tourney too and sell their tv rights together. At least that’s always been the assumption/fear. We just have to hope they are happy with expanding March madness and then settle for getting our football team into a conference of leftovers.
 
Wait.. what football conference did we get an invite from??
Last October, the Pac was interested in adding UConn to the conference, either as a football-only add or as a full member.

UConn rejected things before talks got serious. I can’t imagine at that point the Pac had many details with regards to media, and I’m not even sure where their membership was at that point.

It’s unpopular with the fanbase, but I do think it would be a great football-only move, especially while the conference is small and west coast trips would be limited to 4 or 5 a year. It would be a step-up in competition and would be a significant boost to football revenue.
 
Last October, the Pac was interested in adding UConn to the conference, either as a football-only add or as a full member.

UConn rejected things before talks got serious. I can’t imagine at that point the Pac had many details with regards to media, and I’m not even sure where their membership was at that point.

It’s unpopular with the fanbase, but I do think it would be a great football-only move, especially while the conference is small and west coast trips would be limited to 4 or 5 a year. It would be a step-up in competition and would be a significant boost to football revenue.
The only way that makes sense is if we play four eastern P4 schools H/H every year. Other than Boise State, the others don’t move the needle.
 
The only way that makes sense is if we play four eastern P4 schools H/H every year. Other than Boise State, the others don’t move the needle.
And Ball State, Rice, FIU, and UAB do? You can’t tell me Wazzu and Oregon State aren’t more interesting year in and year out. Plus Boise State. And Colorado State, Fresno, and SDSU have solid G5 programs. Nothing to turn your nose up at.
 
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I don’t know what other moves would be happening in tandem, but if it’s just Memphis to the BE and nothing else, I’d take that

They’d pretty comfortably be top 5 in the conference and give us another consistent tournament threat (made 3 of the last 4 tournaments)

Hardaway is sleazy, but the conference has embraced Rick Pitino as one of its star coaches. They’re far, but 2 of our best teams are in Milwaukee and Omaha.

Why is this bad?
Leagues exist beyond coaches.
Any decision made because of a coach is silly.
 
And Ball State, Rice, FIU, and UAB do? You can’t tell me Wazzu and Oregon State aren’t more interesting year in and year out. Plus Boise State. And Colorado State, Fresno, and SDSU have solid G5 programs. Nothing to turn your nose up at.
I blocked shizzle years ago so can only guess what he’s saying but he would find a reason to complain about joining the BIG10.
 
And Ball State, Rice, FIU, and UAB do? You can’t tell me Wazzu and Oregon State aren’t more interesting year in and year out. Plus Boise State. And Colorado State, Fresno, and SDSU have solid G5 programs. Nothing to turn your nose up at.
The PAC would be a step up and (if the terms are right) would demonstrate the commitment to football. The Mora hire was an excellent move & the program’s tending up up but I think our independent schedule, with no virtual path to the CFB playoff, is holding us back.

Most of us would have thought basketball dominance would have punched our ticket by now but it obviously hasn’t. Do we think we just one more men’s championship gets us into a P4? - maybe, but I hope UConn’s learned that elevating FB too is necessary.
 
Deciding doesn't seem to be an issue in football...how is Ole Miss and Purdue in a P2 ? And Clemson not ?

Those that make the decisions do so...and seem to sleep at night.

Ultimately, those that pay for the rights to televise will have the say...and conjure the metrics necessary to justify their wants.
Ole Miss and Purdue haven't wo n multiple national championships
 
And Ball State, Rice, FIU, and UAB do? You can’t tell me Wazzu and Oregon State aren’t more interesting year in and year out. Plus Boise State. And Colorado State, Fresno, and SDSU have solid G5 programs. Nothing to turn your nose up at.
Some of the Pac-12 schools are more interesting than the four you mentioned, but the average UConn fan doesn't car about west coast G6 programs.
 
Oregon State, Washington State, Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, San Diego State, Utah State, Texas State, Memphis and UConn.

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It's reported that the current Pac 12 deal is worth $10 million per school. That probably makes it financially worth it. Even after subtracting out the additional travel costs that's probably worth twice the Big East media deal.
 
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