Mel Kiper and Todd McShay: "How did UConn give up any points?"

[ZooCougar]

Where are the offensive guys blowing up the combine?

Irrelevant.

DeLeone's offense couldn't score in a whorehouse.

 

[UconnFamily]

Irrelevant.

DeLeone's offense couldn't score in a whorehouse.

Lmfao... good one Zoo!

 

[ZooCougar]

The reason why the defense was scored upon was that Pasquloni and DeLeone's 1982 Miami Dolphins offense was designed to get to 3rd down on every possession.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

Don Brown coached the defense with kids that were not his and was successful... George DeLeone coaches the offense and wasn't successful, but lets blame the lack of talent.

No doubt. But I'm sorry, there were no offensive equivalents to Trevardo Williams, Sio Moore, and Blidi Wreh-Wilson. Ryan Griffin was pretty good, but... no.

And again -- I'm not saying I know with 100% certainty that we had a talent problem on O-line, but basically, it seems like everybody has come to the conclusion, "The results speak for themselves," and maybe I'm slow, but it's not obvious to me to look at the results and know with a degree of certainty wherein the blame lies given the number of variables year to year.

 

[Uconnalliance]

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=8990504

They are very high on Sio Moore and Trevardo Williams.
Then mentioned Blidi Wreh-Wilson and Dwayne Gratz, and even said "...and Kendall Reyes had a really good rookie year for the Chargers last year."

No need to go looking for it. They just mentioned Trevardo's speed, Sio's athleticism, the 2 backs and Reyes, and ended it with, "How did UConn give up any points?" McShay, "I don't know, great question."

God i could read these quotes all day! 4 more kids that are gonna land pro and we have a problem with football at Uconn? who would know?

 

[ruskin]

Amazing that two people chose this thread to defend DeLeone

 

[rich1122]

Gave up too many 3 and 13's over the course of the season. Playing that aggressive we never had that many turnovers. We needed turnovers to survive.

Never happened.

 

[ArmyHuskyFan]

Gave up too many 3 and 13's over the course of the season. Playing that aggressive we never had that many turnovers. We needed turnovers to survive.

Never happened.

We needed less 3 and outs to survive. That also never happened. I don't think many people expected them to put up Oregon like numbers, but they were one of the worst in offensives in college football.

 

[BoatShow]

We gave up points because our defense was on the field for 45 minutes a game.

 

[metsfan2323]

The D was great last year, but if they showed up against Western Michigan or didn't lay down against Temple on that last drive.....

At this point I'm glad we lost those two games, if we went to a bowl DeLeone might still be in charge of our offense, what a horrible thought.

 

[Dooley]

We gave up points because our defense was on the field for 45 minutes a game.

This is exactly right. Our offense had to be in the top 10 of 3 and outs this past season. I think we even had a couple of 2 and outs.

 

[Mr Blueskin]

I still haven't seen any proof that our OL problems are scheme- and not personnel-based. Just speculation presented as fact.

What's good Irish Loop? Surely not your defense of Deleone and the offensive scheme. Getting sensitive again doesn't work very well here or in the papers.

 

[NutmegState]

Defense wins championships.

Louisville was the best passing team in the league, and threw for the most touchdowns. They were 4th in total defense and 5th in scoring defense. They won the league, and beat Florida in the Sugar Bowl. Their defense was not as good as Florida's.

Defense wins Championships, sometimes.

 

[Husky25]

The D was great last year, but if they showed up against Western Michigan or didn't lay down against Temple on that last drive.....

At this point I'm glad we lost those two games, if we went to a bowl DeLeone might still be in charge of our offense, what a horrible thought.

You're blaming Temple on the defense? The defense should have never been in that position.

The question asked by the draft-niks was how UConn gave up points, not how did they lose any games. The offense is irrelevent except to point out that UConn's Time of Possession was worse than lacking. It was stated correctly above: The defense was solid, but they gave up points because they were on the field for 45 minutes a game.

 

[upstater]

The WRs were fine, the QB was fine, the TEs were better than fine, and I bet we'll find out this year that the OL was good too--when put in position to be good.

I do have my doubts about RB though, and that's the only spot on which I might agree with IrishLoop. It's beyond me how a school with Terry Caulley, Brockington, Andre Dixon, Donald Brown and Todman gets itself in such a situation at a key position.

 

[Pmurph678]

So because we have some defensive players having success at the combine... DeLeone sucks

 

[Pudge]

No.

DeLeone sucks because ... he sucks. Like many things in Life, we can see with our own eyes.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

What's good Irish Loop? Surely not your defense of Deleone and the offensive scheme. Getting sensitive again doesn't work very well here or in the papers.

Hey, good point, I really appreciate your highly technical response, as well as the plethora of evidence you provided to back up your claims. I am quite certain that you will probably win some kind of award for this well thought-out post where you finally proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that anybody who disagrees with you is an idiot, good sir.

 

[Kevin Caliendo]

if you have 4-5 pros playing on your defense and they are all juniors/seniors yet you don't win half your games playing a mediocre schedule then:
1) the other six players are probably not very good
2) the offense is probably not very good
3) the coaching staff did not scheme well

I think all of those are true to a certain extent. the offense was awful, no way to sugar coat that. there are no pros there and the coaching was terrible. there is not a ton of talent coming back on defense, at least not multiple guys who you immediately think "he's gonna be a pro." And finally, teams beat UConn's defense last year by exploiting the safeties deep and isolating linebackers underneath on crossing patterns (a lot of teams get exploited this way). I think UConn's defensive coaching was sound but not very flexible and teams would exploit them late in games because uconn never really changed their packages much. Plus, uconn's d was not deep and often got worn out late in games, especially since the O couldn't stay on the field.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Hey, good point, I really appreciate your highly technical response, as well as the plethora of evidence you provided to back up your claims. I am quite certain that you will probably win some kind of award for this well thought-out post where you finally proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that anybody who disagrees with you is an idiot, good sir.

Christ will you look at GDL's track record at his previous stops? You keep asking for evidence and it's staring at you in the face. Unless you're gonna make the case that GDL has the most unfortunate set of circumstances in which most of the offensive players in his system suck. At every stop. For the last couple of decades.

 

[EdgewoodNHV]

Christ will you look at GDL's track record at his previous stops? You keep asking for evidence and it's staring at you in the face. Unless you're gonna make the case that GDL has the most unfortunate set of circumstances in which most of the offensive players in his system suck. At every stop. For the last couple of decades.

I've looked at GDL's track record. He was the OC during Syracuse's run from 1987 to 1996. He had some very good seasons there. Have you ever actually looked? Dude won a Fiesta Bowl, unlike your good buddy Randy Edsall. (http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/deleone_george00.html)

See, the thing about facts is that you can't just make them up. The dude was a part of some very successful Syracuse teams, whether you admit it or not. The facts are the facts. You can't change them simply because you don't like Desmond Conner and John Silver.

I look at our O-line and it's not obvious to me that it's scheme vs. talent. I ask for evidence.

What I get in response is the same snarky BS without evidence as per usual. Which I assure you I am super impressed by. I mean, really.

The only evidence you have was some bad seasons at Syracuse and our last 2 years at UConn. Given his history of success at Syracuse, that's not really evidence. So what's left is UConn. And in the last two years, as opposed to the years before that, we had different personnel at O-line, as well as a new scheme. Multiple variables. Is it talent? Is it scheme? How can you tell?

The only thing you've proven is that you don't really get what the word evidence means.

 

[upstater]

I'm not buying this story either that the defense outside of the 4 guys was not very good. Yawin Smallwood, Jory Johnson, Stephen, Worth, Campenni, TyMeer Brown, Jones, Mack, Jesse Joseph (until hurt). That was the supporting cast for the 4 at the combine.

And to say there are no pros on offense is going way to far. We don't know if kids like Ryan Griffin are going to make it. He just might. Who knows about Masters.

 

[sdhusky]

Christ will you look at GDL's track record at his previous stops? You keep asking for evidence and it's staring at you in the face. Unless you're gonna make the case that GDL has the most unfortunate set of circumstances in which most of the offensive players in his system suck. At every stop. For the last couple of decades.

"While working with the offensive line at SU, five of his players were drafted by the NFL and as offensive coordinator, five players were named first team All-American. Syracuse won three BIG EAST Championships during DeLeone's tenure there"

Maybe he just had 5 more talented guys???

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

1999: Syracuse 80th in nation in total offense (335), 39th rushing, 88th passing
2000: Syracuse 52nd in total offense, 18th rushing, 92nd passing
2001: Syracuse 93rd in total offense, 41st rushing, 98th passing (the heralded 10-3 season)
2002: Syracuse 54th in total offense, 34th rushing, 79th passing (4-8)
2003: Syracuse 70th total offense, 26th rushing, 91st passing (6-6)
2004: Syracuse 78th total offense, 31st rushing, 100th passing
2006: Temple 118th in total offense, 118 rushing, 98 passing
2007: Temple 112th in total offense, 108 rushing, 73 passing

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

In 2005, GDL held the postions of OL Coach and Run Game Coordinator at Ole Miss. That year they finished 118 out of 119 teams rushing for a paltry 806 yards at a 2.4 ypc clip.

These guys made their living riding Dick MacPherson's coattails.