McElwain out @ Florida

[FDNY99]

Florida v Nebraska? One rather massive difference: in-state and nearby recruiting states. There's obviously more competition for recruits within the Sunshine State and in nearby states versus in the Corn Belt, but advantage Florida.

If you go back and re-read my post you will see that I said that about a built in recruiting base at Florida.

 

[Jax Husky]

Frost has his ticket to Nebraska.

You say so, but quotes like this are telling:

quote:
“I've been recruiting all week,” Frost said last year upon taking his name out of the running at Oregon. “[One day,] I drove to a [nearby] town in Florida, recruited and was back in Orlando that night. [The next day,] I drove to another town in Florida and was back at home that night. That's a lot different than flying all over the country and sleeping in a different state every night.”

 

[Jax Husky]

Why can't Nebraska be successful in the Big Ten when it was successful in the Big 8? The Big 8 was not in Texas. Just wondering why people keep saying that?

The Big8 allowed rampant cheating. Nebraska was taking all kinds of kids crom California that wouldn't be able to go there today.

 

[whaler11]

Why can't Nebraska be successful in the Big Ten when it was successful in the Big 8? The Big 8 was not in Texas. Just wondering why people keep saying that?

Because the world changed. You don’t have to go to Nebraska to be on TV.

The farms are automated so they aren’t full of yuge families to dig up offensive lines from.

The fanbase lives 30 years in the past and can’t handle reality so who would go there and deal with it?

 

[HuskyHawk]

Why can't Nebraska be successful in the Big Ten when it was successful in the Big 8? The Big 8 was not in Texas. Just wondering why people keep saying that?

They absolutely can be. Some people who are ignorant of what football means at Nebraska may argue otherwise. Frost certainly knows what it takes to win there.

 

[Jax Husky]

They absolutely can be. Some people who are ignorant of what football means at Nebraska may argue otherwise. Frost certainly knows what it takes to win there.

It has nothing to do with what football means in Nebraska, and everything to do with where you get talent from.

 

[ZooCougar]

Naked shark guy identified as not Jim McElwain

 

[Jax Husky]

Naked shark guy identified as not Jim McElwain

Yeah right, and Craig James did NOT kill those 5 hookers (allegedly)

 

[31GuardTrap]

If Dan Mullen heads to FLA, watch out for Lashlee getting a hard look from Miss St.

He's heading to Arkansas.

 

[Jax Husky]

He's heading to Arkansas.

Who? There is no chance in hell that Dan Mullen goes to Arkansas. Lashlee? Well yeah, he'd go to any SEC school that offers, but I don't see that happening.

 

[UConnDan97]

They absolutely can be. Some people who are ignorant of what football means at Nebraska may argue otherwise. Frost certainly knows what it takes to win there.

They have to redefine what success is.

The fan base there gets mad about a 9-3 year in a tough conference. Just ask Solich and Pelini. They think that the Tom Osborne days are coming back. They're not.

Whaler nailed it. You can get yourself on tv at LOTS of places now. The 5-star kids are spread around, and more importantly, the 4-star kids don't have to sit on the bench of the same 8 institutions anymore. They can be the star at previously unthinkable places such as TCU, Boise, Houston, etc.

If I'm a coveted coach with multiple offers, I wouldn't take Nebraska...

 

[HuskyHawk]

It has nothing to do with what football means in Nebraska, and everything to do with where you get talent from.

Kids like to play at a school that is passionate about football, in front of sellout crowds and with fans that travel. They can recruit just fine. If recruiting location was everything, McElwain wouldn't be out of a job, and UT wouldn't stink.

 

[ktuck911]

Feel bad for the guy a little... didn't he win 10 games each of the last 2 years then some injuries as well as insubordinates kinda put this team in a tailspin? Every school has down year, accept for Bama and Ohio State.. I'm talking normal down years... 2 or 3 losses in a season for either of those schools is a down year...because nobody recruits like they do (when ALL of their 3rd stringers can start at any other program around America)....

 

[UConnDan97]

Kids like to play at a school that is passionate about football, in front of sellout crowds and with fans that travel. They can recruit just fine. If recruiting location was everything, McElwain wouldn't be out of a job, and UT wouldn't stink.

Scout.com has their five year average recruiting ranking at 27th in the nation; below that of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Michigan State. It has the ranking slightly above Wisconsin's, so if the expectation is to win the West division and then lose in the title game, that's fine.

Rivals.com has their five year average recruiting ranking at 22nd in the nation; below that of Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State. Slightly above Michigan State, and further above Wisconsin. Again, similar situation. You're in a 2-team battle in your division and likely a losing battle in the championship game of your conference.

Since joining the B1G, here are their records and finish:

2012 Big Ten Legends 1st 10 4
2013 Big Ten Legends T-2nd 9 4
2014 Big Ten West T-2nd 9 4
2015 Big Ten West 4th 6 7
2016 Big Ten West T-2nd 9 4
2017 Big Ten West 4 4

Again, pretty good records. We'd kill for 9-4 every year. Nebraska thinks that the world is ending, though. Well, they should get used to it, because that's who they are now. (Note: they also had 4 losses per year for four consecutive years prior to what I'm showing, while they were in the Big12).

The Tom Osborne-like 13-0 or 12-1 are possible, but they won't be possible every year and they are less likely than their B1G eastern counterparts. That's just the way it is...

 

[Adios]

Since we're probably not going to get him back (and I don't like James Franklin and the SEC), the Huskers can use Joe Moorhead as head coach.

 

[Exit 4]

Scout.com has their five year average recruiting ranking at 27th in the nation; below that of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Michigan State. It has the ranking slightly above Wisconsin's, so if the expectation is to win the West division and then lose in the title game, that's fine.

Rivals.com has their five year average recruiting ranking at 22nd in the nation; below that of Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State. Slightly above Michigan State, and further above Wisconsin. Again, similar situation. You're in a 2-team battle in your division and likely a losing battle in the championship game of your conference.

Since joining the B1G, here are their records and finish:

2012 Big Ten Legends 1st 10 4
2013 Big Ten Legends T-2nd 9 4
2014 Big Ten West T-2nd 9 4
2015 Big Ten West 4th 6 7
2016 Big Ten West T-2nd 9 4
2017 Big Ten West 4 4

Again, pretty good records. We'd kill for 9-4 every year. Nebraska thinks that the world is ending, though. Well, they should get used to it, because that's who they are now. (Note: they also had 4 losses per year for four consecutive years prior to what I'm showing, while they were in the Big12).

The Tom Osborne-like 13-0 or 12-1 are possible, but they won't be possible every year and they are less likely than their B1G eastern counterparts. That's just the way it is...

Good post. There will be more programs which historically are accustom to two loss seasons having to learn to role with 4 and 5 loss seasons as the norm if they consolidate P5 to the P4 and/or get around to limiting non conf play to only fellow P5 schools. For this reason, I think the P5 never fully shuts the door on G5 games. The P5 schools need the wins for their fanbases to remain engaged.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Scout.com has their five year average recruiting ranking at 27th in the nation; below that of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Michigan State. It has the ranking slightly above Wisconsin's, so if the expectation is to win the West division and then lose in the title game, that's fine.

Rivals.com has their five year average recruiting ranking at 22nd in the nation; below that of Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State. Slightly above Michigan State, and further above Wisconsin. Again, similar situation. You're in a 2-team battle in your division and likely a losing battle in the championship game of your conference.

Since joining the B1G, here are their records and finish:

2012 Big Ten Legends 1st 10 4
2013 Big Ten Legends T-2nd 9 4
2014 Big Ten West T-2nd 9 4
2015 Big Ten West 4th 6 7
2016 Big Ten West T-2nd 9 4
2017 Big Ten West 4 4

Again, pretty good records. We'd kill for 9-4 every year. Nebraska thinks that the world is ending, though. Well, they should get used to it, because that's who they are now. (Note: they also had 4 losses per year for four consecutive years prior to what I'm showing, while they were in the Big12).

The Tom Osborne-like 13-0 or 12-1 are possible, but they won't be possible every year and they are less likely than their B1G eastern counterparts. That's just the way it is...

I think that's how it is for every team in the country not named Alabama really. And once Saban is gone, it will apply to them too. That's been the reality at LSU, UGA, Michigan, USC, OU, A&M and nearly everybody else. The best you can hope for is to be consistently good and catch lightening in a bottle with a really strong team now and then. Penn State maybe has that this year, as does UGA. Clemson did the last two years.

My point was simply that it's still a top tier job, and a coach like Frost could recruit there just as well as he would at Florida. They are certainly capable of a one loss trip to the playoffs at some point. Nobody is going to become dominant in this era the way some of the Osborne teams were. We completely agree on that.

 

[Jax Husky]

Kids like to play at a school that is passionate about football, in front of sellout crowds and with fans that travel. They can recruit just fine. If recruiting location was everything, McElwain wouldn't be out of a job, and UT wouldn't stink.

There are 30+ schools in the country that can do this without making kids go to the middle of nowhere corn fields to do so. A coach at Nebraska has to go convince kids to leave Florida or California and come to Nebraska.

Years ago, that was possible because Osborne built an empire that was one of the very very few teams to get on tv regularly. Now, every game is televised, and you have programs like TCU and Oregon competing nationally.

 

[Jax Husky]

I think that's how it is for every team in the country not named Alabama really. And once Saban is gone, it will apply to them too. That's been the reality at LSU, UGA, Michigan, USC, OU, A&M and nearly everybody else. The best you can hope for is to be consistently good and catch lightening in a bottle with a really strong team now and then. Penn State maybe has that this year, as does UGA. Clemson did the last two years.

My point was simply that it's still a top tier job, and a coach like Frost could recruit there just as well as he would at Florida. They are certainly capable of a one loss trip to the playoffs at some point. Nobody is going to become dominant in this era the way some of the Osborne teams were. We completely agree on that.

UGA, LSU, Florida State, USC can be 9-4 with just grabbing local recruits. Nebraska has 9-4 as about their ceiling right now, and their coach has to go all over the country to find the talent to get them even to that level.

 

[HuskyHawk]

There are 30+ schools in the country that can do this without making kids go to the middle of nowhere corn fields to do so. A coach at Nebraska has to go convince kids to leave Florida or California and come to Nebraska.

Years ago, that was possible because Osborne built an empire that was one of the very very few teams to get on tv regularly. Now, every game is televised, and you have programs like TCU and Oregon competing nationally.

I'm not saying it will return to the Osborne years. But Nebraska just needs to dip into CA, TX, LA and Florida for a few speed positions really. They can fill out the roster with midwestern and mountain state kids, and don't seem to have a problem doing that. Clearly there is more competition than 20-30 years ago.

You may see Lincoln as the middle of nowhere, but that's a biased perspective. It's a nice college town. Kids are going to Boise and ND State and dozens of other places less attractive than Lincoln. Lots of kids in places like LA can't wait to get away from their gang infested neighborhoods. It's also how UConn brings basketball players to Storrs, which is even more in the middle of nowhere.

 

[UConnDan97]

I think that's how it is for every team in the country not named Alabama really. And once Saban is gone, it will apply to them too. That's been the reality at LSU, UGA, Michigan, USC, OU, A&M and nearly everybody else. The best you can hope for is to be consistently good and catch lightening in a bottle with a really strong team now and then. Penn State maybe has that this year, as does UGA. Clemson did the last two years.

My point was simply that it's still a top tier job, and a coach like Frost could recruit there just as well as he would at Florida. They are certainly capable of a one loss trip to the playoffs at some point. Nobody is going to become dominant in this era the way some of the Osborne teams were. We completely agree on that.

My point is that you're correct in saying it is the reality for most high-tier football programs, but that it's not "good enough" for that fanbase.

They fired Solich because he had more than 1 loss a couple of times, even though he was getting his team to the big bowl games.
They fired Pelini, a coach who never lost more than 4 games in any year as a head coach for Nebraska, with the following quote from the AD; "We weren't good enough in the games that mattered," athletic director Shawn Eichorst said in his meeting with the media.

THAT'S the issue at Nebraska. They don't understand that the football world has changed since the 1990's and they are unable to cope with it. And the future looks like it will get worse, not better. Oh well. I hope they enjoy the Diacoisms...

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

If you go back and re-read my post you will see that I said that about a built in recruiting base at Florida.

And, indeed you did @FDNY99 !

 

[huskymedic]

 

[Jerry1714]

Kids like to play at a school that is passionate about football, in front of sellout crowds and with fans that travel. They can recruit just fine. If recruiting location was everything, McElwain wouldn't be out of a job, and UT wouldn't stink.

Kids like warm weather, pretty girls, good facilities, and winning.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Kids like warm weather, pretty girls, good facilities, and winning.

Nebraska has all of that except the weather. But no Big Ten team has good weather. Nor Oregon or Wash St. or Colorado etc. Honestly, I think it sucks to play football in hot, humid weather.

 

[Jerry1714]

Nebraska has all of that except the weather. But no Big Ten team has good weather. Nor Oregon or Wash St. or Colorado etc. Honestly, I think it sucks to play football in hot, humid weather.

Have you been to Colorado? Denver is one of the sunniest cities in the country and has awesome weather. Also, this is not 1990, Colorado is no longer a top program. Wash St. never has been nor will be one. Oregon? You notice how they have been post Kelly, or Pre Kelly for that matter?

NCAA Champions last 20 years, you have Ohio State, and schools vastly different from Nebraska when it comes to geography and demographics:
Clemson
Alabama
Ohio State
Florida State
Auburn
Florida
LSU
Texas
USC
Miami (Fla.)
Oklahoma
Tennessee

 

[HuskyHawk]

Have you been to Colorado? Denver is one of the sunniest cities in the country and has awesome weather. Also, this is not 1990, Colorado is no longer a top program. Wash St. never has been nor will be one. Oregon? You notice how they have been post Kelly, or Pre Kelly for that matter?

NCAA Champions last 20 years, you have Ohio State, and schools vastly different from Nebraska when it comes to geography and demographics:
Clemson
Alabama
Ohio State
Florida State
Auburn
Florida
LSU
Texas
USC
Miami (Fla.)
Oklahoma
Tennessee

O
Oklahoma has a fair amount in common with Nebraska by the way. But maybe it takes a guy from Kansas to see that.

Your 20 year period conveniently omits Michigan and Nebraska in 1997. But go back a tiny bit further and Nebraska has two more in 94 and 95 and you see Washington, Notre Dame, Colorado, Penn State and BYU not long after. It doesn’t matter though. Let’s just say that I don’t think the grip that the SEC and southern ACC teams have on most of recent championships is a permanent thing. But I do acknowledge the trend. Notre Dame or a B1G team could do it this year, though I think it will be UGA or Bama.

 

[31GuardTrap]

Who? There is no chance in hell that Dan Mullen goes to Arkansas. Lashlee? Well yeah, he'd go to any SEC school that offers, but I don't see that happening.

Lashlee.
It's a family thing. He's going there if offered.

 

[Jerry1714]

 

[TheDrifter75]

Scout.com has their five year average recruiting ranking at 27th in the nation; below that of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Michigan State. It has the ranking slightly above Wisconsin's, so if the expectation is to win the West division and then lose in the title game, that's fine.

Rivals.com has their five year average recruiting ranking at 22nd in the nation; below that of Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State. Slightly above Michigan State, and further above Wisconsin. Again, similar situation. You're in a 2-team battle in your division and likely a losing battle in the championship game of your conference.

Since joining the B1G, here are their records and finish:

2012 Big Ten Legends 1st 10 4
2013 Big Ten Legends T-2nd 9 4
2014 Big Ten West T-2nd 9 4
2015 Big Ten West 4th 6 7
2016 Big Ten West T-2nd 9 4
2017 Big Ten West 4 4

Again, pretty good records. We'd kill for 9-4 every year. Nebraska thinks that the world is ending, though. Well, they should get used to it, because that's who they are now. (Note: they also had 4 losses per year for four consecutive years prior to what I'm showing, while they were in the Big12).

The Tom Osborne-like 13-0 or 12-1 are possible, but they won't be possible every year and they are less likely than their B1G eastern counterparts. That's just the way it is...

It's not the 4 losses or "only" 9 wins. It's the fashion in which they happen. The blow out losses and or losses to teams like NIU are what is unacceptable. It's the yearly nail biters to team like Ark St and Purdue. Yes, on occasion that may happen, but it's a yearly occurrence. If they were performing at Wisconsins level, with a chance to rise above that now and then, the majority of the fan base would be good with that.