McCoy Announces Final 6 (no UConn)

[SCGamecock]

Had no clue SC was in the running for McCoy. Genuinely surprised. I thought Tennessee was the only SEC school she was looking at.

 

[MilfordHusky]

I had been wondering about Tori. I had heard that her parents, coaches, and Tori herself really liked UConn, but who knows what went awry?

In terms of OSU supplanting ND, I don't see that happening. They may become the second best team in the Midwest and maybe even pass Maryland in the conference, but the best I see for them is being able to compete with the Irish.

 

[Alydar]

iamcbs said: ↑
You do realize tOSU returns the B1G Freshman of the Year and nation's leading scorer, as well as 3 HS AA's that were injured last season and next year they bring in Sierra Calhoun and Stephanie Mavunga two WCBB AA's both rated higher than any one ND has signed.

This is just not accurate. ND has 3 post player (#4 Reimer, #4 Boley #2 Turner) that were both ranked way higher than Mavunga who was #23 overall.
ND also has 3 Guards/Wings (#10 Ogunbowale, & #13 Patberg & #9 Young) that were rated higher that Sierra Calhoun who was # 16 overall.

I read it to be referring to ND's 2016 recruits. That is, both Calhoun and Mavunga are coming in in 2016 and are higher ranked than anyone ND has coming in as of now in 2016.

 

[Godfather]

It may technically be unofficial, but it will be her official visit. It's not like they have to roll out the red carpet for her, she and her family have visited Baylor multiple times.

It's smart using the five visits to other schools and pay for the sixth.

Schools want to roll out the red carpet for you, an official visit is easier for the school because they can pay for everything

 

[Orangutan]

I read it to be referring to ND's 2016 recruits. That is, both Calhoun and Mavunga are coming in in 2016 and are higher ranked than anyone ND has coming in as of now in 2016.

Which is still wrong.

 

[CocoHusky]

I read it to be referring to ND's 2016 recruits. That is, both Calhoun and Mavunga are coming in in 2016 and are higher ranked than anyone ND has coming in as of now in 2016.

Then it is still wrong because in 2016 ND brings in # 5 Boley & #9 Young already.

 

[Paul1969]

I thought I read on the Boneyard once that Geno only "offers" to players who visit UConn. Does anyone know if this is true or not? (since this post originally started with quesitons over McCoy /Cox were offered a scholly by Geno)

 

[jsloanjr]

When Coach Staley refused to insert Cox into the USA games at crunch time told me that there is something missing in her game........I do not know enough about her to make any judgements....I wish her well wherever she goes to school.....

 

[iamcbs]

This is just not accurate. ND has 3 post player (#4 Reimer, #4 Boley #2 Turner) that were both ranked way higher than Mavunga who was #23 overall.
ND also has 3 Guards/Wings (#10 Ogunbowale, & #13 Patberg & #9 Young) that were rated higher that Sierra Calhoun who was # 16 overall.

Mavunga is an AA in College, we're not talking about HS. Reimer and Turner were not. Sierra Calhoun was an All-ACC Player and Ogunbowale, Patberg, and aYoung have yet to play a College game. So we shall see how good they end up being, won't we?

 

[CocoHusky]

When Coach Staley refused to insert Cox into the USA games at crunch time told me that there is something missing in her game...I do not know enough about her to make any judgements....I wish her well wherever she goes to school.....

I think you may be reading too much into Dawn's decision. Dawn options in the post were Wilson, White, & Stevens all of who had completed Freshmen seasons of college ball and done very well. All three are two full seasons (Senior year of HS +1 Freshmen year of college) ahead of Cox-give her time. The fact that Dangerfield same age was in the game at crunch time speaks to how special Dangerfield is but also the options available to Dawn- namely that Dawn was missing Durr.

 

[Orangutan]

Mavunga is an AA in College, we're not talking about HS. Reimer and Turner were not. Sierra Calhoun was an All-ACC Player and Ogunbowale, Patberg, and aYoung have yet to play a College game. So we shall see how good they end up being, won't we?

Mavunga is not an All-American in college. She didn't get even an honorable mention from either the AP or WBCA. Turner was an honorable mention for both.

Sierra Calhoun being All-ACC is the most laughably wrong thing you've asserted in this thread. She left Duke before ACC play even started! So in that respect, she's played exactly the same number of ACC games as Patberg, Young, and Ogunbowale.

 

[CocoHusky]

Mavunga is an AA in College, we're not talking about HS. Reimer and Turner were not. Sierra Calhoun was an All-ACC Player and Ogunbowale, Patberg, and aYoung have yet to play a College game. So we shall see how good they end up being, won't we?

Agreed-we will both see. You threw me off with your use of the word "rated". I am not sure how you compare college players (AA status) to high school players without going back to how/ where they were rated in thier HS class. I don't remember Mavunga achieving AA status in college and I don't think Calhoun was at Duke long enough to achieve All-ACC player status.

 

[CocoHusky]

Mavunga is not an All-American in college. She didn't get even an honorable mention from either the AP or WBCA. Turner was an honorable mention for both.

Sierra Calhoun being All-ACC is the most laughably wrong thing you've asserted in this thread. She left Duke before ACC play even started! So in that respect, she's played exactly the same number of ACC games as Patberg, Young, and Ogunbowale.

You continue to be one step ahead of me. This is me practicing my typing.

 

[meyers7]

Mavunga is an AA in College, we're not talking about HS. Reimer and Turner were not. Sierra Calhoun was an All-ACC Player and Ogunbowale, Patberg, and aYoung have yet to play a College game. So we shall see how good they end up being, won't we?

You're really not very good at this are you?

 

[Gate81]

let's remember that how a player ends up is not just a function of their talent but also the coaching contribution to development!

 

[DobbsRover2]

You're really not very good at this are you?

Spending time on the BY will do that to you. How many flat out whoppers have we seen from posters who were once likely of fine mind? Of course nothing can beat a journey through the Summitt \ VolNation world to turn your grasp on facts into a jelly fist.

 

[BuckLucas]

OMG. Please never buy stock in any kind of ratings from ESPN. They are a joke!
Includes all sports. I think Ohio State and Notre Dame are both going to be pretty good.

 

[CocoHusky]

OMG. Please never buy stock in any kind of ratings from ESPN. They are a joke!
Includes all sports. I think Ohio State and Notre Dame are both going to be pretty good.

Actually Buck ESPN ( Disney) stock has been pretty good for me.

 

[Orangutan]

If it pleases the court, PN's rankings of the same:

 

[triaddukefan]

If it pleases the court, PN's rankings of the same:

Now how about Blue Star and ASGR


Ohio State has a excellent roster .. and hopefully can knock MD out of the top spot in the Big 10.

 

[Orangutan]

Now how about Blue Star and ASGR

A man/ape has to draw the line somewhere.

 

[Orangutan]

It would be interesting to see a redo of the 2014 ESPN rankings. No offense Mr Org. .... but I would take #82 Alexa Hart over #21 Westbeld any day of the week.

Totally fair, although Westbeld was pretty good for a freshman. That's more of a case of Hart being underrated than anything.

Of course, there are many holes than can be poked in these ratings. For example, are there really 24 better players in the class of 2013 than Lindsay Allen?

 

[triaddukefan]

Totally fair, although Westbeld was pretty good for a freshman. That's more of a case of Hart being underrated than anything.

Of course, there are many holes than can be poked in these ratings. For example, are there really 24 better players in the class of 2013 than Lindsay Allen?

I counted maybe 4-7 better .... (dont ask which)

The others have holes as well.... in 2014... Azura Stevens was #57 (prospects nation) #55 (blue star) #27 (ASGR) and #23 (Hoopzgurlz)

 

[MilfordHusky]

If a team is trying to be elite, the top 20 HS recruits are the key, even as imprecise as the rankings are. ND has way more of them than OSU does.

I think OSU may be able to challenge the Terps. But the B1G is not a strong conference for WCBB at the moment.

 

[j66kicker]

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Actually Buck ESPN ( Disney) stock has been pretty good for me.

Time to cut and run though. ESPN is feeling very vulnerable to the "unbundling" movement happening with cable & streaming. They're busy dumping cost and trying to figure out a new revenue model. In my amateur opinion you should take your profits now (hopefully your gains are L.T.) and be happy.

 

[CBus13]

Kelsey Mitchell is very, very good. I don't dispute that.

I assume the HS AAs you are talking about are Chelsea Mitchell, Kianna Holland, and Makayla Waterman, none of whom were actually high-school AAs. Mitchell and Holland were unranked by ESPN. Waterman was ranked 99th.

And of course, neither Calhoun nor Mavunga are WCBB AAs. Calhoun was shooting 31.4% when she left Duke at midseason. Brianna Turner put up 29 pts, 18 reb, 7 blocks against Mavunga and North Carolina last year. Mavunga couldn't take minutes from Reimer (who everyone here said was terrible) at the Pan-Am Games.

Mitchell is great, Mavunga is good not great, Calhoun is an unknown quantity but has potential to be very good. Everybody else they have is way, way below the talent level of what ND has, besides Ameryst Alston who will be gone before Mavunga and Calhoun are able to play for Ohio State.

Holland was actually ranked in the top 40 in the nation. http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/121912/kianna-holland

Holland was Class of 2013, so that might be why you did not see her listed on ESPN.
She transferred schools and had an ACL tear so she sat out, I think a year, during high school. But she was highly regarded.
Holland was a Parade All-American her senior year.
So in a way she was a high school all American.

The other two (Chelsea and Makayla) were not. Waterman was a Nominee for McD's AA game but Chelsea was not. Waterman was not selected.

 

[CBus13]

You do realize tOSU returns the B1G Freshman of the Year and nation's leading scorer, as well as 3 HS AA's that were injured last season and next year they bring in Sierra Calhoun and Stephanie Mavunga two WCBB AA's both rated higher than any one ND has signed.

Mitchell was actually National Freshmen of the Year and B1G Player of the year as well. Holland is the only injured player who may be considered a HS All-American. Mitchell and Waterman were not close to that recognition.

Calhoun was a WBCA (HS) All-American her senior year. http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209417717
Calhoun was highly ranked in her year, but but Brianna Turner was ranked higher than her.

But will have sat out competitive matches for a year an a half before she plays again.

Mavunga, was ALL-ACC and was a Watch List for post season awards but was NOT an All-American in College. She was a McD's AA in high school.
Mavunga was highly ranked as well but a top 25 player, while Taya Reimer, was ranked in the top 6 by most services.

I don't doubt that both players are going to bring talent to tOSU team, only one has proven to be a quality college player but even she has area for improvement.

But ND has the bigger wealth of talent at this stage.

 

[triaddukefan]

The biggest problem tOSU has in passing the Irish is that they won't benefit from playing ND 3 or 4 times a season.

They need to pass Maryland first.

 

[Huskies Rule]

I think that with the exception of the elite, very-top-of-the-heap high school players, there are dozens of kids every year who either fail to live up to their reputations at the next level or were badly misevaluated before they ever got there. Azura Stevens, with a three service average rating of #45, is just one of many examples of a really inaccurate ratings process -unless you believe that the low evaluations were correct but great coaching at the next level bumped up her play I don't.

It was mentioned that OSU's Alexa Hart ranked #82 while ND's Westbeld was #22 and there was NO comparison between the two statistically. Hart was wayyy better. Hart also 'out-statisticked #4 ranked Taya Reimer big time last year, even though she only was a freshman. I'd take Hart in a hart-beat over Reimer on my team. And over Westbeld, of course. But I'd take Stevens over all of them, though her strengths are on offense while Hart is the better defender. Clearly the basketball experts missed the boat with these kids. And MANY others. Stevens and Hart are going to get better, and Westbeld likely will, too, but going into her third year, I can't see Reimer ever justifying that #4 ranking.

------------------------Points pg-----rebounds pg-----total blocks-----total t/o ----total steals--------FT %-----assists-----minutes pg
(#82)Alexa Hart--------12.0--------------9.0--------------129--------------64-----------31--------------48%---------25------------30
(#4) Taya Reimer------10.2--------------6.1----------------42--------------94-----------20--------------63%--------69------------25
(#22) Westbeld----------6.7--------------4.4---------------10--------------67------------40--------------71%---------64------------17
(#45)Azura Stevens------14---------------8.2---------------30--------------85-----------35--------------60%------- -56------------29

Obviously, numbers don't tell the whole story. Coaching, teammates, conference, and schedule all certainly matter. How to weigh those factors in, I do not know

 

[Tonyc]

Im just thinkin. Who is the ace in the hole. Cox??? McCoy not coming tells me UConn just may have someone in the wings. Maybe maybe not but I like what Im readin.