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Maybe Rothstein should reconsider?

ivrytontusker said:
By Rothstein and some ESPN types. Not everyone so dubbed it. Certainly, going by tournament record, the 2015 (or 2016) ACC was pretty strong.
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A lot were. Also Marquette and cuse played each other and Cinci uconn
 
From ESPN:

ACC proves it was overrated

"The league isn't very tough," one ACC assistant said. "Too much finesse. You have to be tough to win in the NCAA tourney."

"It was overrated," another ACC coach added. "I'll admit it. We won games in November and December, but most of our teams weren't that much better than teams in the other leagues. But we had a ton of résumé wins on the board because of Duke, North Carolina, Louisville and even Virginia -- and that allows the other teams to become overrated."
 
ivrytontusker said:
By Rothstein and some ESPN types. Not everyone so dubbed it. Certainly, going by tournament record, the 2015 (or 2016) ACC was pretty strong.
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Diverting attention from your original argument. Admit it, my conference, dubbed the greatest of all time, failed. The pundits were talking about this year, not 2015.
 
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I was just doing some quick math on NCAA Tourney units earned by the American over past six years, which is depressing.

From 2012, UConn will earn 23 units as that includes units from all the BE teams that participated. In 2016, the ACC earned 25 units, for what that's worth.

Anyway, as if we need more proof our our declining fortunes, here's the tally on units we've got coming to use (units are paid out over six years):

2012: 23
2013: 19
2014: 11
2015: 3
2016: 4
2017: 3

Each unit is worth around $150K, give or take $10K as value changes year-to-year. We get $283K for the 2014 NC due to some kind of bonus structure, otherwise, it's around $150K.

So for the moment, our revenue stream from NCAA units looks something like this:
2017: $1,747K
2018: $1,172K
2019: $ 697K
2020: $ 266K
2021: $ 188K
2022: $ 81K

Willing to cede to someone with more precise accounting and knowledge of payouts, but this is how I understand it. And those are pretty sad numbers.

The one benefit is that we're only splitting 11 ways vs. 16, but the AAC needs to step it up and pick up 9-10 units per year to get us relatively close to old BE levels.
 
storrsroars said:
I was just doing some quick math on NCAA Tourney units earned by the American over past six years, which is depressing.

From 2012, UConn will earn 23 units as that includes units from all the BE teams that participated. In 2016, the ACC earned 25 units, for what that's worth.

Anyway, as if we need more proof our our declining fortunes, here's the tally on units we've got coming to use (units are paid out over six years):

2012: 23
2013: 19
2014: 11
2015: 3
2016: 4
2017: 3

Each unit is worth around $150K, give or take $10K as value changes year-to-year. We get $283K for the 2014 NC due to some kind of bonus structure, otherwise, it's around $150K.

So for the moment, our revenue stream from NCAA units looks something like this:
2017: $1,747K
2018: $1,172K
2019: $ 697K
2020: $ 266K
2021: $ 188K
2022: $ 81K

Willing to cede to someone with more precise accounting and knowledge of payouts, but this is how I understand it. And those are pretty sad numbers.

The one benefit is that we're only splitting 11 ways vs. 16, but the AAC needs to step it up and pick up 9-10 units per year to get us relatively close to old BE levels.
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No doubt, the clock is ticking
 
There are two conferences, the P5 and everyone else. The Big East is in kind of a gray area because of Fox. The AAC is not in a gray area.
 
Thank God for the ACC that the Razorbacks choked on their own vomit huh? Or the embarrassment would have been totally complete.

There there was 1

:rolleyes:
 
ivrytontusker said:
Right, but that doesn't affect winning %; it effectively counts as a tie (a win and a loss).
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13-10 (.565)
11-8 (.578)

If you eliminate the games entirely, you can see it necessarily affects the winning %: you mandate .500, which (if your conference has a winning percentage above that) drags it down. Further, while it guarantees you get a school into the S16, it also clips conferences ability to get schools to advance.

Further, the UConn-Cincy pairing was insane, since both were the higher seeds. Now, the BE had 3 6 seeds, and 2 3 seeds, so one of those 6 seeds, in this case Cincy should have been procedural bump to a 5 (where only Louisville was the only 4) or a bump down to a 7 (where there were no 10s and only ND was a 2). Really, looking at it, Georgetown probably should have beed dropped, and Cincy slipped over to that bracket. Marquette probably should have gotten the procedural bump to a 10, but I blame the committee less here since you don't want to assume the 11 beats the 6. Still, swap them with the 19-14 MSU team, and you don't have the same glut.
 
This is just another example of how RPI and similar systems over value sos and within a league it causes everyone to be overrated. The ACC won a bunch of early season games that upped the league's RPI and that caused everyone's RPI to become inflated. But it misses several facts such as that teams change between December and March for lots of reasons. Players improve, or level off or decline. Guys get injured, or defenses figure out how to stop people.
 
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Saw a cool stat on one of the sports shows last night....in the past 11 years....Dook has lost five times to teams seeded at least 5 spots below them. All in the first two rounds.
 
mauconnfan said:
Jon Rothstein: ACC Is The Best League In The History Of The Sport

Best league ever (ACC) was an embarrassment yesterday with 2 of their teams getting trounced in their round of 32, one scoring 39 points, yeah count it 39 that's dreadful on the part of Bennett and Virginia. And FSU, well Leonards a great guy but we almost exppect this don't we? Miami got ripped apart the first round in an embarrassing manner and the only once's left are LVille, Duke and UNC. VaTech first round, Wake prior to 1st round and ND gone. Cuse in the NIT at home to add to the wonderful misery of this "best league ever"

They have 3 left, the Big East had 3 in the FF with the 4th losing in OT to LVille trying to make it a sweep. The best league was the Big East and probably at least a half a dozen separate years they were better than this ACC - c'mon Jon man up and eat crow!
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Total joke, ACC sucks, had all of them losing anyways...not one in the final four, highly overrated.
 
alexd. said:
Saw a cool stat on one of the sports shows last night....in the past 11 years....Dook has lost five times to teams seeded at least 5 spots below them. All in the first two rounds.
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Not to poo poo that, but they also won two titles.

I think that stat is a reflection that Duke is often over ranked and over seeded.
 
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