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Maryland With The #1 Recruiting Class In The Country

Fightin Choke said:
It is always a challenge to rate recruiting classes. When evaluating a class, the reviewers ignore positional need, but of course the coaches cannot. But I don't expect the reviewers to include that level of detail in their analysis, nor should they. But I still believe that they value quantity over quality. Here are the recruiting classes based on Hoopgurlz rating, since that is the rating from their website:
  1. Maryland: 5, 18, 30, 49
  2. Ohio State: 6, 24, 39, 41
  3. Stanford: 15, 23, 50
  4. Michigan State: 57, 70, 84, 93, another 4 star
  5. South Carolina: 7, 13, a 3-star
  6. USC: 36, 40, 63, a 3-star (added Rogers #35, but she was not included in this analysis)
  7. NC State: 17, 32, two 3-stars
  8. Tennessee: 2, 46, a 3-star
  9. UCLA: 14, 22 two 3-stars
  10. Notre Dame: 4, 21
  11. Missouri: 8, 29, a 3-star
  12. Duke: 58, 65, 81
  13. Georgia: 28, 38, a 3-star
  14. Louisville: 12, 99, a 3-star
  15. Florida State: 27, 37, a 3-star
  16. Oregon State: 19, 42
  17. Penn State: 59, 61, two 3-stars
  18. Indiana: 52, 53, two 3-stars
  19. Miss. State: 88, 98, two 3-stars
  20. LSU: 26, 71
A couple of questions:

Are NC State's pair of 3-star recruits really that much better than UCLA's two 3-star recruits?

If Notre Dame recruited a student athlete that was rated 60th, would they vault ahead of Stanford into 3rd place?

Is Florida State's class really worse than Duke's?
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How would a 1-3-33 class fit into that list? You can have all the 18-26-43-57 quantity glut you want. There's no substitute for #1. But if there was, #3 isn't a bad place to start.
 
Bigboote said:
You gotta wonder why they publish a ranking of schools' classes when 1, 3, 9, and 10 haven't committed.
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Especially when the bulk of the remaining people will be committing within 48 hours.
 
My bi
Charliebball said:
when she protects the basketball it's practically impossible to take the ball from her off the dribble....she just out muscles any guard covering her.....not sure about her stamina at the collegiate level.....
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My big question for her is communication. I've watched her play and she is great at 1 on 1 defense and 1 on 1 offense but the team aspect needs some work because she doesn't talk. She is the PG but you'll see her 4 teammates talking to each other and her 10 ft away from them doing her own thing. I wonder how that will work at the college level.
 
Bigboote said:
You gotta wonder why they publish a ranking of schools' classes when 1, 3, 9, and 10 haven't committed.
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it's an ongoing ranking..........they're not waiting around for the last few to start it
 
DEpup said:
My bi
My big question for her is communication. I've watched her play and she is great at 1 on 1 defense and 1 on 1 offense but the team aspect needs some work because she doesn't talk. She is the PG but you'll see her 4 teammates talking to each other and her 10 ft away from them doing her own thing. I wonder how that will work at the college level.
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that's why Brenda gets paid the big bucks......................she'll either figure it out or she won't
 
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In my view team, team rankings are also extremely problematic because, aside from a very limited number of extraordinary recruits each year (5? 10?), trying to compare and rank everyone else is, if not hopeless, extremely difficult and a very inexact science. Take two recruits with whom I'm quite familiar. Among those in Oregon's 2016 recruiting class, Sierra Campisano was ranked #14 by Hoopgurlz and Ruthy Hebard #40. Both are forwards. Campisano turned out to be a complete bust, with her playing time steadily going down during her two years in Eugene until she was one of the last, if not the last, players off the bench. Not surprisingly, she transferred last summer. Although Hebard has a good write-up, she had not faced any real competition in Alaska. As a result, she seriously considered red-shirting her freshman year. But she didn't (fortunately), and has been all Pac 12 as both a freshman and sophomore even though she still has a lot to learn.. And it's all too easy to find lots and lots of examples like this.
 
Fightin Choke said:
It is always a challenge to rate recruiting classes. When evaluating a class, the reviewers ignore positional need, but of course the coaches cannot. But I don't expect the reviewers to include that level of detail in their analysis, nor should they. But I still believe that they value quantity over quality. Here are the recruiting classes based on Hoopgurlz rating, since that is the rating from their website:
  1. Maryland: 5, 18, 30, 49
  2. Ohio State: 6, 24, 39, 41
  3. Stanford: 15, 23, 50
  4. Michigan State: 57, 70, 84, 93, another 4 star - the other 4 star is ranked number 75
  5. South Carolina: 7, 13, a 3-star
  6. USC: 36, 40, 63, a 3-star (added Rogers #35, but she was not included in this analysis)
  7. NC State: 17, 32, two 3-stars
  8. Tennessee: 2, 46, a 3-star
  9. UCLA: 14, 22 two 3-stars
  10. Notre Dame: 4, 21
  11. Missouri: 8, 29, a 3-star
  12. Duke: 58, 65, 81
  13. Georgia: 28, 38, a 3-star
  14. Louisville: 12, 99, a 3-star
  15. Florida State: 27, 37, a 3-star
  16. Oregon State: 19, 42
  17. Penn State: 59, 61, two 3-stars
  18. Indiana: 52, 53, two 3-stars
  19. Miss. State: 88, 98, two 3-stars
  20. LSU: 26, 71
A couple of questions:

Are NC State's pair of 3-star recruits really that much better than UCLA's two 3-star recruits?

If Notre Dame recruited a student athlete that was rated 60th, would they vault ahead of Stanford into 3rd place?

Is Florida State's class really worse than Duke's?
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Seeing Michigan State at number 4 is a big surprise, since they normally don't draw top 20 classes, let alone top 10 or top 5. Slight error in your ranking of its recruits...the 5th 4 star recruit is ranked number 75, which you left out in the player info.
 
Bigboote said:
You gotta wonder why they publish a ranking of schools' classes when 1, 3, 9, and 10 haven't committed.
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Publicity to fill the void. It a perfect world of ESPN the number ! recruit in the country would be announcing on ESPN today.
 
These lists always place too much emphasis on quantity rather than quality. Deep classes always lead to transfers/players leaving. I'd much rather land 1-2 top kids per year who aren't going to defect. A top 5 kid who blossoms into a 15-20 point scorer is usually worth more than 3 kids who are ranked 40-50 and become role players.

If you look at the last several championship teams, every roster was loaded with kids in the top 10-20 range. None boasted great depth, but the 5 they put on the floor were top notch players.
 
JordyG said:
It's still early. Remember Brenda, the night is young and full of terrors. And Slocum's.
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At least we're not Texas. It must really stink to lose two top 4 players in the same class in 8 months. I'm still bummed about Lexie Brown and Slocum and that was 2013 and 2016 classes.
 
MilfordHusky said:
Yeah, Owusu is surprisingly agile. She doesn't look like a player when standing around, but she's quite good.
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The one thing that some people overlook about Owusu is her great defense. She plays Azzi Fudd better than any other player in the country. Paul VI would have won the first game against St. John's if Owusu didn't get hurt in the 4th quarter. She held Fudd in check up to that point.
 
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TerpWomenFan said:
The one thing that some people overlook about Owusu is her great defense. She plays Azzi Fudd better than any other player in the country. Paul VI would have won the first game against St. John's if Owusu didn't get hurt in the 4th quarter. She held Fudd in check up to that point.
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Woa. woa .... Slow down the hype machine on Owusu, she a very good player not in Azzi' s league though. There is this things called the interwebs. Both players had good moments in the game and it was (Freshmen) Fudd playing against Junior (Owusu). Besides Owusu is not going to even see the floor next year, Taylor Mikesell will be running the point for Brenda for the foreseeable future.
 
TerpWomenFan said:
The one thing that some people overlook about Owusu is her great defense. She plays Azzi Fudd better than any other player in the country. Paul VI would have won the first game against St. John's if Owusu didn't get hurt in the 4th quarter. She held Fudd in check up to that point.
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Too bad Maryland won't play Notre Dame that often to see how they'd fare in the future :D
 
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newfrontier said:
Seeing Michigan State at number 4 is a big surprise, since they normally don't draw top 20 classes, let alone top 10 or top 5. Slight error in your ranking of its recruits...the 5th 4 star recruit is ranked number 75, which you left out in the player info.
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Thanks for the correction. I have fixed it!
 
In looking at this list and keeping in mind the news that Amihere will head to S. Carolina, it strikes me that Jeff Walz and Louisville scored their top 100 recruits early (Ramani Parker) and very early (Nyah Green). But since, the point guard from Tokyo (Narika Konno) and no one else....Have to think the commitment of Davenport to Rutgers must sting.

Here's a link to their current commitments:
Women's Basketball


Jenn...any thoughts/insights?
 
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CocoHusky said:
Woa. woa .... Slow down the hype machine on Owusu, she a very good player not in Azzi' s league though. There is this things called the interwebs. Both players had good moments in the game and it was (Freshmen) Fudd playing against Junior (Owusu). Besides Owusu is not going to even see the floor next year, Taylor Mikesell will be running the point for Brenda for the foreseeable future.
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Owusa is no where near Fudd's class. It's just the fact she plays her very well defensively.

Owusu and Mikesell will share the backcourt together when Owusu is ready. Both can play off the ball. Mikesell have been a pleasant surprise for the Terps thus far. Right now she is playing off the ball in the starting lineup next to Channise Lewis who had a brilliant 6-1 assist/turnover ratio for a team that committed 24 turnovers Sunday.
 
Getting the number 1, unless it is a Maya, Griner, Stewie, or Wilson it doesn't matter.
 
baggerbob said:
Getting the number 1, unless it is a Maya, Griner, Stewie, or Wilson it doesn't matter.
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I'm not sure that's true if you are referring to players rather than classes. Kaleena was a 2-time All-American, 3-time NCAA champion, and former NCAA record-holder. Lou will be a 3-time All-American. Megan and Christyn have very high ceilings. UConn doesn't often get the #1 class, but we get premium talent consistently--and coach it up better than anyone else.

Bueckers and Fudd may well be in the class of Maya, Griner, et al.
 
baggerbob said:
Getting the number 1, unless it is a Maya, Griner, Stewie, or Wilson it doesn't matter.
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I have to agree. Tennessee (to name one) has had some highly ranked recruiting classes since Holly Warlick took over but the team hasn't done squat with them.

It isn't necessarily who you have that is the accomplishment it is what you accomplish with who you have that matters.
 
Fightin Choke said:
It is always a challenge to rate recruiting classes.

Duke: 58, 65, 81
Florida State: 27, 37, a 3-star

Is Florida State's class really worse than Duke's?
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For @Fightin Choke , @vowelguy , @HuskyNan , @CocoHusky, @Dillon77 , and others with whom I communicate on this forum and in private messages, the following post will be repetitive. But for others, I will share it again.

ESPN/Hoopgurlz rankings are done by Dan Olson, of Collegiate Girls Basketball Report (CGBR). Olson updates the CGBR rankings almost weekly, based on evaluations from tournaments he attends and players he sees. As an example, I tracked rankings for Duke commits Jaida Patrick and Jennifer Ezeh on CGBR over the summer, and their respective rankings changed at least five different times from June through September.

For the last 5 years, ESPN has published Olson's rankings 2-4 times per year (depending on the year). So the ESPN/Hoopgurlz player and class rankings are snapshot rankings, at different points in time (specifically, the date(s) of publication). As you know, CGBR is a subscription service with specific evaluations of several hundred players per class, whose rankings vary throughout the years.

In other words, the ESPN/Hoopgurlz rankings are based on what Dan Olson's rankings were, but they do not necessarily reflect current Dan Olson rankings for Collegiate Girls Basketball Report (CGBR).

Here are the current (as of November 14, 2018) Collegiate Girls Basketball Report (CGBR) rankings for the Duke and FSU commitments:

  • #26 - River Baldwin (Florida State)
  • #36 - Sammie Puisis (Florida State)
  • #57 - Jaida Patrick (Duke)
  • #64 - Azana Baines (Duke)
  • #80 - Jennifer Ezeh (Duke)
  • #137 - London Clarkson (Florida State)
You will note that the rankings for two FSU and all three Duke commitments have gone up since ESPN/Hoopgurlz published the snapshot rankings from Dan Olson. Also, I have included the ranking for London Clarkson, whom ESPN/Hoopgurlz lists as a "three star" player.

Finally, Dan Olson does not use the star system (five stars, four stars, etc.) on the Collegiate Girls Basketball Report (CGBR) website. He uses a rating system, where player ratings are based on a numeric value scale from 14-30 (with 30 being the maximum rating). Player ratings are continually updated during the players' development. The explanation of CGBR ratings is as follows:

  • 26-30: High major player/junior college transfer making an impact for “Top 25” program
  • 21-25: High major to mid-major player/junior college transfer making an impact for a “Top 50” program
  • 17-20: Mid-major player/junior college transfer making impact in a “Top 150” program
  • 16: Marginal mid-major to low-major/junior college transfer making impact in a “Top 300” program
  • 15: Contributor to low-major/NCAA-II, NCAA-III, NAIA program

The ratings and number of players at each rating level vary by class. For example, for the HS Class of 2018, there were 49 players who had a rating of at least 21 with one player at 28, five players at 27, and one player at 26. For the HS Class of 2019, there were only 40 players with a rating of at least 21 and zero players at 28, but there were 12 players between 26 and 27 in the ratings.

In other words, per Collegiate Girls Basketball Report (CGBR), the Class of 2018 was a little deeper in terms of mid-major to high-major players than 2019, but in terms of elite high major players, the Class of 2019 is significantly deeper.

I hope this information is helpful to everyone!
 
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I agree that South Carolina has the number one class. But I would still prefer a class of Jones, Boston and Griffin (fingers crossed to offset the karma gods).
 
The rankings have been re-evaluated with SC #1, MD #2 and USC jumping Michigan St for the 5th spot.

 
BostonFan said:
Landing Boston is a must. I will consider the class a BUST if Geno does not land her.
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Class a bust? w/o Boston and Jones there is no class. There's 1 recruit. It would be like just skipping a yr of recruiting. You have to believe UConn will get Boston and probably Jones. Otherwise, you woulda expected Geno to sign SOMEONE by now.
 
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