Maryland Lawsuit

[UConn9604]

Surprisingly, a big part of what did in the Big East was being cheap and acting small time, even into the 2000's. I still am dumbfounded that the Big East did not exist as a legal entity (i.e. it was never incorporated as a not-for-profit corporation) until after the 2003 raid. The by-laws were not especially rigorous, and they never really "lawyered up". That lack of legal advice led them to getting short-changed in contract negotiations, and left them open to the raids, just as much as anything else. And maybe if they spent a little more money on lawyers and were a little more forceful with Notre Dame, ND wouldn't have taken their bowl games so often, and for so little in return.

The Big East was incorporated as a non-profit in the District of Columbia in 1979.

As for whether the league was strong or weak, or whether the league's policies were smart or dumb, people like Jake Crouthamel were involved in the league on both the non-football and football sides from the very outset. If the league failed, it was because the people in charge (like Crouthamel et al.) put it in the position to do so.

 

[The Funster]

The BE was a collective failure, IMO. Tranghese and Marinatto tried to keep Gavitt's dream alive and they failed miserably. In addition, the schools looked past possible solutions and the BE was willingly poached by the ACC. I would have liked to have the core schools stick together and to have found a solution that would have worked for everyone. I think it could have been done. Instead there was a lot of back room dealing and yeah I know Swofford played a big part in that but still some administrators could have been a little more forthright.

That being said, I don't begrudge anyone leaving. If the ship was going to sink I would expect schools to leave. The two areas I have problems with are: 1) a school blocking or steering a conference to take another school that they were affiliated with and 2) others fans wishing ill on UConn's plight. Any school, especially BC, who didn't want UConn to come because they were afraid of competition should be embarrased. How can BC be concerned about protecting their turf when one of the greatest rivalries in college sports are next door neighbors? If the rumors are true that Cuse quietly lobbied against UConn then shame on them. They just show themselves to be spineless, weak willed, scaredy-cats if its true. And for the Cuse and BC fans who laugh at our plight...go ahead and laugh. BC has fallen into a chasm because they have no local rival. If BC thinks that Pitt and Cuse will fill that role, good luck with that. Because the NYC pipeline for Pitt hoops is drying up, Cuse is sitting on a powderkeg investigation and both their football programs have been moribund at best.

This whole CR thing has been an mistake and their have been very few winners. Schools are hookers and conferences are pimps. Take the money, spread your legs and shut up, bitch.

 

[B1GALUM]

Another artice FYI
http://www.diamondbackonline.com/news/campus/article_800b6678-c8e8-11e2-a5b1-0019bb30f31a.html
"Struggles over bylaws, jurisdiction complicate highest-ever conference exit fee lawsuits"

 

[gioff23]

One has to appreciate the irony of the ACC's arguments. Apparently, those arguments apply only when poached and not when poaching.

 

[btstimpy]

One has to appreciate the irony of the ACC's arguments. Apparently, those arguments apply only when poached and not when poaching.

I'm not aware of the ACC ever not respecting the By-Laws of the Big East Conference. I think the exit fees of the Big East have been paid by everyone except Boise State, who has sued not to pay it in their case. But that doesn't involve the ACC.

 

[upstater]

I'm not aware of the ACC ever not respecting the By-Laws of the Big East Conference. I think the exit fees of the Big East have been paid by everyone except Boise State, who has sued not to pay it in their case. But that doesn't involve the ACC.

The Boston College affair says otherwise. That was the backstabbing thing right there.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Why do you care Matt, it's not like they took them from Syracuse.

Actually, you were still playing football in your mom's backyard in those days, but yes, they did. A couple times. We won the Big East more times than you did, and we did it when Miami and Va Tech were still in the conference. Not the watered down version that allowed you guys in as replacements.

 

[IthacaMatt]

The Big East was incorporated as a non-profit in the District of Columbia in 1979.

As for whether the league was strong or weak, or whether the league's policies were smart or dumb, people like Jake Crouthamel were involved in the league on both the non-football and football sides from the very outset. If the league failed, it was because the people in charge (like Crouthamel et al.) put it in the position to do so.

The Big East was incorporated as a non-profit in the District of Columbia in 1979.

As for whether the league was strong or weak, or whether the league's policies were smart or dumb, people like Jake Crouthamel were involved in the league on both the non-football and football sides from the very outset. If the league failed, it was because the people in charge (like Crouthamel et al.) put it in the position to do so.

Not according to the minutes of the Big East meetings that were released to the media after the last raid. But I could be wrong about that. It would be beyond incompetent and they can't have been that bad.

 

[The Funster]

Actually, you were still playing football in your mom's backyard in those days, but yes, they did. A couple times. We won the Big East more times than you did, and we did it when Miami and Va Tech were still in the conference. Not the watered down version that allowed you guys in as replacements.

You mean the watered down version that Syracuse has struggled with and gone 18-44?

 

[Adios]

Funny to see Syracuse fans still talk smack when we owned them while both were in the Big East and the city has no hope.

 

[gioff23]

I'm not aware of the ACC ever not respecting the By-Laws of the Big East Conference. I think the exit fees of the Big East have been paid by everyone except Boise State, who has sued not to pay it in their case. But that doesn't involve the ACC.

I have no idea what your response was intended to convey. Another conference can't violate a conference's by-laws, only a member can. But if you believe the ACC respected the BE or it's by-laws, that would be interesting.

The ACC is arguing that Maryland's departure weakened it financially. A member’s withdrawal leads to conference instability, the ACC has argued, and could hamper its ability to negotiate a lucrative TV deal.

Now, do you perhaps see some irony in that argument?

 

[UConn9604]

Not according to the minutes of the Big East meetings that were released to the media after the last raid. But I could be wrong about that. It would be beyond incompetent and they can't have been that bad.

Listed here: https://corp.dcra.dc.gov/Account.aspx/LogOn?ReturnUrl=/

...and here (paragraph 18 of the Complaint): http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/sports/bigeastacc60603cmp.pdf

 

[IthacaMatt]

You mean the watered down version that Syracuse has struggled with and gone 18-44?

Don't worry, we're coming back now. Just leave Pasqualoni and DeLeone in place a couple more years, and you will be looking just like we used to.

 

[upstater]

Don't worry, we're coming back now. Just leave Pasqualoni and DeLeone in place a couple more years, and you will be looking just like we used to.

Gross and Robinson made you into a joke.

As for DeLeone, boy are you out of touch.

Familiarize yourself with TJ Weist.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Gross and Robinson made you into a joke.

As for DeLeone, boy are you out of touch.

Familiarize yourself with TJ Weist.

Gross made one bad hire. Otherwise, he's done a great job. Our overall sports programs are going great - I think we finished in the top 25 in that Governor's Cup, or whatever it's called, which was our highest finish ever. Championship caliber teams and coaches in many more Olympic sports than we used to. Refreshed the Dome, got the Melo Center funded for hoops. Raised money for an indoor football facility, and is working on a second one. NYC branding gets mocked, but it has gotten the alumni to buy in big time. For a private school, we turn out great in other teams' arenas and travel so well that Georgetown changed their ticketing policy to avoid SU alums from buying out most of the seats. I give Gross two thumbs up.

 

[upstater]

Gross made one bad hire. Otherwise, he's done a great job. Our overall sports programs are going great - I think we finished in the top 25 in that Governor's Cup, or whatever it's called, which was our highest finish ever. Championship caliber teams and coaches in many more Olympic sports than we used to. Refreshed the Dome, got the Melo Center funded for hoops. Raised money for an indoor football facility, and is working on a second one. NYC branding gets mocked, but it has gotten the alumni to buy in big time. For a private school, we turn out great in other teams' arenas and travel so well that Georgetown changed their ticketing policy to avoid SU alums from buying out most of the seats. I give Gross two thumbs up.

Why are you here talking about that?

This has been in reference to your football team losing a lot of games against UConn. You wrote about Uconn going backward while Cuse is coming up (even though you just lost your coach). It's crazy. I pointed out that your swoon had little to do with Pasqualoni (DeLeone isn't even our OC any more!! So why go on about that?)

 

[The Funster]

Don't worry, we're coming back now. Just leave Pasqualoni and DeLeone in place a couple more years, and you will be looking just like we used to.

I'm not worrying about Syracuse, believe me. I'm not sure I care much at all. I just found it ironic that you attempted to down UConn by pointing out that the BE was watered down when, during that time period, your school was 18-44 and was a perennial BE cellar dweller.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I'm not worrying about Syracuse, believe me. I'm not sure I care much at all. I just found it ironic that you attempted to down UConn by pointing out that the BE was watered down when, during that time period, your school was 18-44 and was a perennial BE cellar dweller.

How many Big East titles do you have again? How many bowl wins? Who did you beat in those bowls? What are you program's biggest wins all time? Cocky newcomers.

I only posted in response to another person's post. I like to read this board for news of conference realignment, I'm not here to troll anymore. But I will respond when you all engage me.

 

[TRest]

How many Big East titles do you have again? How many bowl wins? Who did you beat in those bowls? What are you program's biggest wins all time? Cocky newcomers.

I only posted in response to another person's post. I like to read this board for news of conference realignment, I'm not here to troll anymore. But I will respond when you all engage me.

Who was your coach during your BE glory years?

 

[CTGoonie]

How many Big East titles do you have again? How many bowl wins? Who did you beat in those bowls? What are you program's biggest wins all time? Cocky newcomers.

I only posted in response to another person's post. I like to read this board for news of conference realignment, I'm not here to troll anymore. But I will respond when you all engage me.

Uconn has won the BE 2 out 9 years (22.2%). SU won it 5 out 22 years (22.7%). All your talk is eerily reminiscent to what we heard about our basketball team in the 90's and 2000's.

 

[The Funster]

How many Big East titles do you have again? How many bowl wins? Who did you beat in those bowls? What are you program's biggest wins all time? Cocky newcomers.

I only posted in response to another person's post. I like to read this board for news of conference realignment, I'm not here to troll anymore. But I will respond when you all engage me.

If you weren't trolling you wouldn't catch all the crap that you do. This all started with your smart ass, unprovoked comment about UConn joining a watered down Big East. Had you not said that, you would not have had your ass handed to to you once again.

 

[upstater]

Who did you beat in those bowls?

Uh, South Carolina?

 

[caw]

Actually, you were still playing football in your mom's backyard in those days, but yes, they did. A couple times. We won the Big East more times than you did, and we did it when Miami and Va Tech were still in the conference. Not the watered down version that allowed you guys in as replacements.

Neither SU, nor UConn have been nationally relevant in football since UConn moved to BCS/D-1A. Cuse has history before then though, which I don't think anyone would disagree with.

At this point in time neither UConn nor SU football are relevant in terms of national championship contention, neither are in the SEC/Pac/B1G, nor named Notre Dame.

SU does belong to the better league, but one still pretty far from the top league. Also it is not a forgone conclusion that this means SU will actually accomplish anything in the league they are now in, or even more than UConn will.

Maybe UConn will end up like Memphis, or maybe it will end up like Boise St. Maybe SU will end up like VaTech, or maybe it will end up like BC.

Would you rather be Boise St. or BC in football? I think Boise St. right now, you could argue BC makes more money, but Boise St. actually wins games and is part of the conversation. Obviously you would rather be VaTech than Memphis in football, though I'd argue Memphis in basketball, even though they are in a conference that pays a ton less.

 

[UConn990411]

I don't think UConn or Syracuse fans have the right to talk smack about football. Both programs are mediocre.

Also, when did IthacaMatt becomes such a raging d***? I remember him being a good poster on past boards.

 

[ddminct]

I don't think UConn or Syracuse fans have the right to talk smack about football. Both programs are mediocre.

Also, when did IthacaMatt becomes such a raging d* ? I remember him being a good poster on past boards.

really? He has always been a total

 

[Hoophound]

I don't think UConn or Syracuse fans have the right to talk smack about football. Both programs are mediocre.

Also, when did IthacaMatt becomes such a raging d* ? I remember him being a good poster on past boards.

He was always a d*ck. He just mellowed after Melo got the monkey off his back in 2003. He's getting itchy again. We've won two titles since then.

 

[B1GALUM]

Prince George's County judge dismisses part of Maryland's lawsuit against the ACC
http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76490478/

 

[Excalibur]

Article notes that MD has officially notified the ACC of its departure.

 

[NEforceUConn]

Article notes that MD has officially notified the ACC of its departure.

Lets hope GT says the same thing on Sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[specialisthusky]

Prince George's County judge dismisses part of Maryland's lawsuit against the ACC
http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76490478/

pretty bad ruling for UMD if they were actually hoping to litigate in Maryland...pretty good ruling if you are a fan of the legal system actually being fair.

Thanks for posting though. I hadn't seen this.