Maryland’s $157 million counterclaim: ACC recruited B1G schools

[bobbyinaz]

Trust me, I am aware that they are separate documents. I'll be a little more specific. If the GOR was iron clad it's likely that the ACC would have settled and moved on, but they haven't. The percentages say the ACC either has a weak agreement or a weak case.

I find it amusing how some posters make definitive comments on the GOR without even seeing it. Has anyone actually seen a copy of the document? If so, please forward. Most GOR's assign their rights to a media entity, I suspect that could be the case here. In addition, Virginia was the last to sign, which probably prompted the inclusion of contingencies (perhaps time-based) in order to get them to sign. Also, please note that I don't hold in high regard biased comments from conference and media representatives and/or sloppy, lazy journalism, so no need to pelt me with what so-and-so said. That's not definitive proof.

I believe the GOR assigns the media rights to the conference , not a media entity. The conference then enters into a contract with a media provider(s).

This is why IMO, those that say a school can move from one conference to another if the media provider is the same (ACC to SEC since both are contracted with ESPN) is not accurate. While ESPN may or may not care since they get to broadcast the games regardless the conference that owns the media rights would have an issue

 

[itgoeslike]

Probably...might...conjecture...guess...

Yeah... that's what you have....

I like your post "most GORs assign their media rights to an entity"...

WTF? I reckon they do rather then mom , dad, or other individual...But how would you know since you haven't seen a GOR (your big argument)?

When the bourbon wears off go back and read my post. You'll see that it doesn't correlate with what you wrote.

Here's the Amended Grant of Rights from the Big 12, which was procured by Kyle Lamb. While it provides some detail it only references the Original Grant of Rights dated November 1, 2011. If you have a copy of the ACC's GOR agreement you should post it, otherwise we'll all just continue to guess.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8jb5kvZz0PcUzJpdV9YaVZHaFE/edit?pli=1

 

[billybud]

Kyle's procurement of that Big 12 GOR...and I have followed that scenario with Kyle on the BGN Big 12 board while he was requesting it under an FOIA..is the only GOR in the public realm that fans know about.

However, since the Big 12 went on the record as saying that they assisted the ACC in writing their GOR, I think one might think that some of the content may be similar.

My bourbon? Yes..Elmer T Lee #6. A very good bourbon in the Blanton's style.

 

[06029]

My bourbon? Yes..Elmer T Lee #6. A very good bourbon in the Blanton's style.

That is a very nice Bourbon and a great buy for the quality. Try Black Maple Hill if you can find it. Distilled in Kentucky but aged in CA. I had some in South Beach 2 weeks ago that was 16 years old and it was fantastic. But as the review suggests, the quality can vary from batch to batch.

http://redwhiteandbourbon.com/2013/03/26/review-black-maple-hill/

 

[billybud]

The #6 is a limited, hand picked from one barrel, edition. You can also find the #5 barrel but it is not quite as tasty. The bottle lists the barrel selection team by name. They sample the barrels and choose the one that meets the qualifications. Very hard to find...and as you mentioned, good quality for the money spent.

I will drink Blanton's as well....I am a southerner and prefer corn heavy bourbon mixes such as Blanton's and Lee's over bourbons with a heavier rye influence in their corn-rye mix. Bourbon is corn...and I prefer bourbon to Tennessee Whiskey although many folks think that Jack Daniels is the southern drink of choice.

I keep Knob Creek and Woodford Reserve as well for my friends...

And, for my friend with no taste, I keep Wild Turkey (UGH)...a rye heavy whiskey.

I see very little added for spending a lot more money for some brands...so I keep my cabinet simple.

 

[itgoeslike]

The #6 is a limited, hand picked from one barrel, edition. You can also find the #5 barrel but it is not quite as tasty. The bottle lists the barrel selection team by name. They sample the barrels and choose the one that meets the qualifications. Very hard to find...and as you mentioned, good quality for the money spent.

I will drink Blanton's as well....I am a southerner and prefer corn heavy bourbon mixes such as Blanton's and Lee's over bourbons with a heavier rye influence in their corn-rye mix. Bourbon is corn...and I prefer bourbon to Tennessee Whiskey although many folks think that Jack Daniels is the southern drink of choice.

I keep Knob Creek and Woodford Reserve as well for my friends...

And, for my friend with no taste, I keep Wild Turkey (UGH)...a rye heavy whiskey.

I see very little added for spending a lot more money for some brands...so I keep my cabinet simple.

Finally, a post that has some real value. . .

 

[OkaForPrez]

LOL @ the ghost of the realignment board deteriorating two a couple good ol boys talkin bourbon. Christ we are screwed.

 

[billybud]

I have never been called a good ole boy before...thanks.

Undergrad at FSU, but the grad years at Wisconsin took me out of the running for good ole boy status...

And yes...maybe you are screwed and maybe not...but not because of a little bourbon talk.

We could natter on about the Hartford DMA...but it isn't bad to switch up a conversation now and again.

 

[06029]

LOL @ the ghost of the realignment board deteriorating two a couple good ol boys talkin bourbon. Christ we are screwed.

CT born and bred and long time bourbon drinker. The recent explosion in popularity is nice as is the proliferation of some really nice buys in CT but it has caused some really crazy prices. I had a client buy me a $75 glass of Pappy Van Winkle in Louisville last year. If somebody is buying, I will drink it, but so many more affordable and just as enjoyable options out there right now. And in the end, you just flush it down the toilet.

 

[OkaForPrez]

The humor, for me anyway, worked better as stated.

 

[Durks07]

I have never been called a good ole boy before...thanks.

Undergrad at FSU, but the grad years at Wisconsin took me out of the running for good ole boy status...

And yes...maybe you are screwed and maybe not...but not because of a little bourbon talk.

We could natter on about the Hartford DMA...but it isn't bad to switch up a conversation now and again.

What made you choose Wisconsin of all places? Just curious, kind of a random choice for a "good ole' boy."

 

[billybud]

What made you choose Wisconsin of all places? Just curious, kind of a random choice for a "good ole' boy."

My father's family have lived in southeastern Wisconsin since the land was purchased from Chief Oshkosh for settlers. My aunt was known in her field at the U of Wisconsin and could put me up (money was tight). And Wisconsin would add greatly to my credentialing.

I had spent many summers on the family farm. Had some friends there...It seemed the right place to be.

 

[Durks07]

My father's family have lived in southeastern Wisconsin since the land was purchased from Chief Oshkosh for settlers. My aunt was known in her field at the U of Wisconsin and could put me up (money was tight). And Wisconsin would add greatly to my credentialing.

I had spent many summers on the family farm. Had some friends there...It seemed the right place to be.

That makes sense then, a friend of mine lives in the Chicago area and wants me to go out so we can spend a weekend in Milwaukee. Do you recommend it? Given your knowledge of contract issues, I'm guessing you went to Wisc. for law?

 

[pj]

From my own experiences, the good ol' boy network exists everywhere, in some shape, form, or fashion. It may just not be called that.

Yes, of course. They're not always good and they're not always boys, but there are always well-connected people surrounding levers of power.

 

[billybud]

There have always been people who are connected....

I have always been suspicious....particularly when guys in a meeting tap their Masonic rings on the table. Got to be a secret signal.

And as we know, fraternity brothers are beholden to help other brothers...

But in sports it seems to me that it has been that you can be an outsider and its just you (if you are say, FSU against the Tobacco Road Crew).

Sooo...you build your own old boy club..

 

[billybud]

I think that UConn has friends in the B1G and the ACC....folks who, if these conferences expand, would push UConn's interests.

 

[Husky92]

I think that UConn has friends in the B1G and the ACC....folks who, if these conferences expand, would push UConn's interests.

We can only hope!

 

[WestHartHusk]

We might 'think' that we have friends, but we know that we have enemies (especially in the ACC).

 

[Durks07]

We might 'think' that we have friends, but we know that we have enemies (especially in the ACC).

Look at the bright side, USF doesn't know if it has either. Arguably, that is worse.

 

[buckaineer]

Uconn's issue as far as expansion is largely due to location. Connecticut is a bit off the beaten path for conferences like the BIG 12 or SEC, and will only this year become anywhere close to Big Ten territory--but is still very far from most of those schools. Also there aren't alot of recruits in that part of the country.

The ACC can't expand further because they are already the lowest paid league and all their media rights are held up through 2027. If they expand then they are just getting an equal share for the added team (maybe--they didn't get anything for UL from news reports) and then diluting bowl and ncaa money further. Plus they have to cater to ND's wishes now. They can only expand with someone ND approves of or lose the hope they have of ND becoming a member of the conference one day.

If UConn were to go on a successful run like Boise or TCU or Utah did a few years back with football then the prospects probably increase for the Huskies.

 

[billybud]

I think that one of the reasons that the Big 12 hasn't expanded is that, according to both their current and past Commissioner, only a couple of teams make it worth it to the media contract.

With the Big Ten renegotiating contracts, it might be the perfect time for the B1G to test the waters re value of expanding.

I think that the ACC is done unless things again get crazy.

 

[buckaineer]

What the current and previous BIG 12 commissioners have stated re: expansion in that conference is that only certain schools would bring greater than pro rata value, and they aren't going to expand to keep the bucket the same or dilute other revenues from the conference members such as bowl payouts and NCAA payouts.

The Big Ten is going to be negotiating contracts soon-it will be interesting to see if they make anymore moves. With reports of UMD's move there showing that Big Ten schools will bring in over $100 million more than ACC schools from the conference by 2020 some things could happen.

If the Big Ten moves then the BIG 12 will grow as well, and the SEC probably will move to 16 schools also.