Mark Blaudschun: Orange Bowl Update...

[coachcap]

with some speculation about: N.D. to ACC, Big East television negotiations...http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=163

 

[SubbaBub]

Screw ND.

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[Carl Spackler]

A writer from the dying world of newspapers trying to stir the pot and generate business in a new writing venture. Kind of sad actually.

ESPN is slowly doing their best effort to turn the early 21st century ACC, into the late 20th century Big East. A basketball dominated east coast conference? Terrible media perception in football? A strange outlier in the conference geographically that's not really wanted by the other members? STruggling for a bowl game opponents and post season football relevance? Looking for a deal with Notre Dame for membership, in everythign but football? Handcuffed to ESPN? Commissioner constantly defending the value of the conference? Thursday and Friday night football?

It won't work for ESPN though, because ACC basketball, is not, and never will be, Big East basketball.

Big East football and basketball, will continue. Got to win the games though. Football will do its job. Those catholics though, that have been cashing the checks, and feeding from the bottom in round ball for a while though, need to step it up. Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence........It's very easy to replace a Syracuse, WVU and PItt in hoops - all that has to happen, is those originals left in the conference, that formed the parochial backbone, just need to actually start playing good basketball again.

Yup - that's a challenge out there, to all those schools.....step up your b-ball programs

 

[WestCoastHusky]

A writer from the dying world of newspapers trying to stir the pot and generate business in a new writing venture. Kind of sad actually.

ESPN is slowly doing their best effort to turn the early 21st century ACC, into the late 20th century Big East. A basketball dominated east coast conference? Terrible media perception in football? A strange outlier in the conference geographically that's not really wanted by the other members? STruggling for a bowl game opponents and post season football relevance? Looking for a deal with Notre Dame for membership, in everythign but football? Handcuffed to ESPN? Commissioner constantly defending the value of the conference? Thursday and Friday night football?

It won't work for ESPN though, because ACC basketball, is not, and never will be, Big East basketball.

Big East football and basketball, will continue. Got to win the games though. Football will do its job. Those catholics though, that have been cashing the checks, and feeding from the bottom in round ball for a while though, need to step it up. Seton Hall, St. John's, Providence........It's very easy to replace a Syracuse, WVU and PItt in hoops - all that has to happen, is those originals left in the conference, that formed the parochial backbone, just need to actually start playing good basketball again.

Yup - that's a challenge out there, to all those schools.....step up your b-ball programs

What I don't get is if ND play 6 ACC games a year, why would they want ND again as an opponent for the Orange Bowl? Does that make any sense? It would almost be another in-conference game. Also, why would NBC ever agreeing to ND playing 6 ACC games a year when ACC is ESPiN property? Why would NBC use its FB property to promote ESPiN property? Something does not jive there.

 

[businesslawyer]

What I don't get is if ND play 6 ACC games a year, why would they want ND again as an opponent for the Orange Bowl? Does that make any sense? It would almost be another in-conference game. Also, why would NBC ever agreeing to ND playing 6 ACC games a year when ACC is ESPiN property? Why would NBC use its FB property to promote ESPiN property? Something does not jive there.

If they play six ACC games a year, presumably three would be at ND, televised by NBC, and three at ACC schools, televised by ESPN. The self-evident reason that ESPN would want that is that any ACC home OOC game against ND is more valuable than almost any other home OOC game that can be arranged.

Have you not noticed that ABC/ESPN pick up 100% of Notre Dame's road games played at conferences where they have TV rights now?

 

[Carl Spackler]

What I don't get is if ND play 6 ACC games a year, why would they want ND again as an opponent for the Orange Bowl? Does that make any sense? It would almost be another in-conference game. Also, why would NBC ever agreeing to ND playing 6 ACC games a year when ACC is ESPiN property? Why would NBC use its FB property to promote ESPiN property? Something does not jive there.

It doens't make any sense, becuase it's non-sense. My opinion, is the writer is trying to draw in readers by touchign on a hot topic. The same topic that generated so much interest on this website.

 

[Carl Spackler]

If they play six ACC games a year, presumably three would be at ND, televised by NBC, and three at ACC schools, televised by ESPN. The self-evident reason that ESPN would want that is that any ACC home OOC game against ND is more valuable than almost any other home OOC game that can be arranged.

Have you not noticed that ABC/ESPN pick up 100% of Notre Dame's road games played at conferences where they have TV rights now?

Really? what makes you think that Notre Dame would agree to a 3 and 3 format like that? What makes you think that Notre Dame wouldn't want every game exactly like they had with Maryland and FedEx?

 

[businesslawyer]

Really? what makes you think that Notre Dame would agree to a 3 and 3 format like that? What makes you think that Notre Dame wouldn't want every game exactly like they had with Maryland and FedEx?

Oh vey. Yes, you can hypothesize a situation that the ACC wouldn't want and ESPN wouldn't want either. Does that make you happy?

 

[Carl Spackler]

Oh vey. Yes, you can hypothesize a situation that the ACC wouldn't want and ESPN wouldn't want either. Does that make you happy?

Yup. Until I see quotes from Father Jenkins, and/or Jack Swarbrick quoted, none of it means squat. It's common knowledge at this point in time, that the ACC has the hots for Notre Dame, and Notre Dame football will continue to pursue their best interests, and they have talked about the Orange Bowl. Nothing's happened. THe big 12 wanted NOtre Dame too, nothing happened.

Notre Dame is a member of the Big East conference. THe most beneficial thing for Notre Dame (whether we other Big East members like it or not) is maintaining exactly what they've got with the Big East, and strengthening the Big East conference.

You won't see that anywhere in mainstream media right now though. Maybe in a few months, maybe not. We'll see.

 

[businesslawyer]

Yup. Until I see quotes from Father Jenkins, and/or Jack Swarbrick quoted, none of it means squat. It's common knowledge at this point in time, that the ACC has the hots for Notre Dame, and Notre Dame football will continue to pursue their best interests, and they have talked about the Orange Bowl. Nothing's happened. THe big 12 wanted NOtre Dame too, nothing happened.

Notre Dame is a member of the Big East conference. THe most beneficial thing for Notre Dame (whether we other Big East members like it or not) is maintaining exactly what they've got with the Big East, and strengthening the Big East conference.

You won't see that anywhere in mainstream media right now though. Maybe in a few months, maybe not. We'll see.

That's all nice, but you responded to a post I made in response to someone elses post stating that ESPN wouldn't want to air ND games because it would help NBC. When, in fact, they air every ND game they can now.

 

[Carl Spackler]

That's all nice, but you responded to a post I made in response to someone elses post stating that ESPN wouldn't want to air ND games because it would help NBC. When, in fact, they air every ND game they can now.

I think you're deflecting, and I'm not sure you're actually right here, I think you've got what west coast pondered backwards ...and regardless......haven't I told you before not to bore me with my trivial mistakes when I"m making an argument? Sheesh.

 

[businesslawyer]

[quote="Carl Spackler, post: 297262, member: 1038"..and regardless......haven't I told you before not to bore me with my trivial mistakes when I"m making an argument? Sheesh.[/quote]

Yes, you have. If I just wasn't so dense ....

 

[CL82]

Scheduling is the reason why ND wants it's independence. So they are going to stay independent but are going to give up flexibility for 6 games a year?

 

[UConnDan97]

Scheduling is the reason why ND wants it's independence. So they are going to stay independent but are going to give up flexibility for 6 games a year?

THIS is the part that I don't understand! I could understand them playing 3 ACC games by default (BC, Syra, Pitt) and perhaps mix in a Miami for the old "Catholics versus Criminals" rivalry, but why give up the other games with national appeal for an additional 2 ACC games?? Do you trade in your games against Michigan State or USC for Virginia and UNC???

 

[pj]

This is just ESPN trying to screw up NBC again. If they get Notre Dame to do this it blows up NBC's ability to build around Notre Dame and the Big East. A bunch of Notre Dame games move from NBC to ESPN, Big East loses Notre Dame bball - all sports, the soon-to-be-announced NBE champion New Year's Day bowl to be televised on NBC would no longer have Notre Dame as a tie-in.

It's doubtful ESPN can outbid NBC for Notre Dame, so I doubt this happens. They're hoping Notre Dame would far rather be aligned with ACC than NBE, and will sacrifice dollars to get it. Or else the ACC sacrifices dollars to Notre Dame to stabilize the conference ... but does it, if money is why teams leave? I don't think it works.

 

[freescooter]

I'm not that sure that such a deal wouldn't work pretty well for Notre Dame. In fact it wouldn't require them to modify their current schedule too dramatically. USC, Navy, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, Stanford then current or future ACC members Miami, Pitt, BC and Wake Forest, then "national games" Oklahoma and BYU. they aren't going to give up Navy, USC, Michigan or Michigan State, but I'm not sure if its the end of the world if they play Purdue and Stanford every other year, and then play either a BYU or an Oklahoma.

 

[whaler11]

ESPN collects 6 billion dollars a year before they sell an ad. They can outbid anyone they choose to outbid.

 

[Marty Jackson]

ESPN collects 6 billion dollars a year before they sell an ad. They can outbid anyone they choose to outbid.

Exactly how does ESPN collect $6B?

 

[whaler11]

Exactly how does ESPN collect $6B?

It's actually probably more than 6 billion. They get about 4.69/mo for just ESPN and another 1.13/mo for the balance of channels. On 100 million subscribers it adds up pretty fast.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

ESPN collects 6 billion dollars a year before they sell an ad. They can outbid anyone they choose to outbid.

That must be why the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 are ESPN-exclusive conferences.

I am tired of bloggers driving page views with the latest ND fantasy. If ND was going to join a league, it would be the Big 10, because the Big 10 can pay a lot more than anyone else. They aren't going to join an ACC that is one phone call by Texas to FSU away from disintegrating, for less money, and give up most of their schedule in the process.

The entire ND discussion in this thread is a fail.

 

[whaler11]

That must be why the Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 12 are ESPN-exclusive conferences.

I am tired of bloggers driving page views with the latest ND fantasy. If ND was going to join a league, it would be the Big 10, because the Big 10 can pay a lot more than anyone else. They aren't going to join an ACC that is one phone call by Texas to FSU away from disintegrating, for less money, and give up most of their schedule in the process.

The entire ND discussion in this thread is a fail.

Just because they don't outbid for the sole rights to every property doesn't mean they couldn't. If they felt like bidding $50 million for Notre Dame they could.

They gross in carrier charges in a year about what Comcast's entire stable of channels was valued in the NBC Universal deal. That includes NBCS, E and Golf Channel among others.

Someone should tell stupid bloggers Duke is going to be in a league with Rice and Tulane. They are the ones with fantasies.

 

[ZooCougar]

And people wonder why Notre Dame is so disliked among Big East fans that actually paid attention.

This one way, win/lose relationship has always done very little for the Big East, and done a great deal for Notre Dame.

Now, they are flirting with the ACC and making it harder for us to stay in the game with the Orange Bowl.. I know people will say "thems the the breaks" or "this is just the rub of the green". But I wish more people had realized earlier on that the Catholic schools and Notre Dame in particular were just playing the rest as fools.

 

[pj]

We're not staying with the Orange Bowl. We're creating our own bowl for our champion. The Orange Bowl can have our #2.

Notre Dame has to flirt with the ACC in order to know how hard they can bargain with NBC and the NBE, or the B1G if it comes to that.

 

[ZooCougar]

We're not staying with the Orange Bowl. We're creating our own bowl for our champion. The Orange Bowl can have our #2.

Notre Dame has to flirt with the ACC in order to know how hard they can bargain with NBC and the NBE, or the B1G if it comes to that.

The Orange Bowl might get our #2. But our Champs bowl will play the CUSA/Sun Belt #1 at best. Or perhaps the ACC or B1G #4/5.

I would rather have my foot in the door with powerful, well established bowl than have to start over with the Chico's Bail Bonds Florida Bowl.

It's not even a given that we'll hold onto the Pinstripe long term.

 

[businesslawyer]

And people wonder why Notre Dame is so disliked among Big East fans that actually paid attention.

This one way, win/lose relationship has always done very little for the Big East, and done a great deal for Notre Dame.

Now, they are flirting with the ACC and making it harder for us to stay in the game with the Orange Bowl.. I know people will say "thems the the breaks" or "this is just the rub of the green". But I wish more people had realized earlier on that the Catholic schools and Notre Dame in particular were just playing the rest as fools.

Sheesh. In a world in which conference members have no loyalty to one another (including us, as we have made clear we're out at the first opportunity), how unrealistic is it to think a non-member should be acting in a more loyal manner?

The Irish is a football independent. Any thought that that won't or shouldn't be acting, as a football program, solely in its own best interest is bizarre.