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Way too risky of a hire right now for where that program is IMO. They’re just coming off an absolute disaster of a hire who was a Cuse guy and had no experience running a program. Moving to another Cuse guy with very little experience running a program (that had a huge NIL advantage in a really bad conference) is not the move I’d make. But that athletic department is clearly incompetent so who knows.
That's why I think they're in a pickle. They went with the wrong Cuse guy who hadn't been a head coach the first time and it's going to influence them not picking McNamara who IMO is going to end up being really good at another major program. According to their fanbase they're going to end up with Hodgson who only has 1 more year of head coaching experience and has yet to book a tournament bid.
 
That's why I think they're in a pickle. They went with the wrong Cuse guy who hadn't been a head coach the first time and it's going to influence them not picking McNamara who IMO is going to end up being really good at another major program. According to their fanbase they're going to end up with Hodgson who only has 1 more year of head coaching experience and has yet to book a tournament bid.
sounds like the other hurley would be a good fit....

Northeast guy, experience running a program, both sides probably willing to take a bit of a gamble.
 
Almost all core players at top teams will be lead by transfers or high end freshmen that are NBA talent by year 2.

There are many trends that are developing with NIL.
You're on record over and over saying the freshman class for next season sucks.

You won't shut up about how great Florida is this season because of their three "developed juniors" Haugh, Condon, and Chinyelu. Haugh and Condon who have been there three seasons and Chinyelu two seasons.

In '23 UConn's best player was a junior (Sanogo) but the team was a balance of juniors (Sanogo and Jackson) transfers (Tristen, Calcaterra, Alleyne, Hass) star freshmen (Clingan and AK) and a sophomore Hawkins.

Your post makes no sense and is just another reason for you to take a swipe at UConn, this time on one of our championship teams.
 
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Rather than bandy around finalities (Eg RIP cinderella) would rather just say it’s a chalk year.

Let’s see what happens next year before we declare anything is permanent.
 
So if Santa Clara loses to Gonzaga in the championship game, do they get in over a mediocre Auburn or Oklahoma? Let's hope so, same if Miami Oh loses.
Almost certainly. Santa Clara is absolutely worthy of an at large bid. Certainly moreso than some of the luke warm teams like Auburn, Oklahoma, Indiana, Cincinnati, etc.
 
Rather than bandy around finalities (Eg RIP cinderella) would rather just say it’s a chalk year.

Let’s see what happens next year before we declare anything is permanent.
Man, I can't WAIT for the upsets to come.......there are so many receipts from this clown
 
his season is over


Yeah, I really don't understand the BSing that coaches do like this. The entire season for all of college basketball is over in less than a month. Nobody heals from a broken bone, least of all in your foot, in that time. Same thing for Mahomes claiming he'll be back for training camp. Dude, a torn ACL is a year long rehab. You tore it in December. You're not coming back by July. Even if he could, he'd likely screw his knee up far worse in the process.
 
It's cute there's math to prove Cinderellas are dead, yet KenPom and NET Rankings have Oregon ranked as the 97th and 102nd best teams in the country. You know, that 12-20 overall, 5-15 in the Big Ten team.

Who you play matters far more than they're willing to admit. Same as it ever was.
Yeah, at some point there has to be some kind of adjustment made... I guess. I mean sure, not getting blown out by high quality teams probably tells you something. Oregon managed to only lose to Michigan by 10, and Purdue by just 4, but I don't think you can expect every lesser team in your conference to lose by 30 to every good team.

They did beat Auburn back in November, so that ought to be it for Auburn, right there.
 
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That's why I think they're in a pickle. They went with the wrong Cuse guy who hadn't been a head coach the first time and it's going to influence them not picking McNamara who IMO is going to end up being really good at another major program. According to their fanbase they're going to end up with Hodgson who only has 1 more year of head coaching experience and has yet to book a tournament bid.
Even in a vacuum I think it’s a bad idea. He might be a good coach, but what a huge risk for any high major program to take right now. One good year in a bad conference where his program outspends everyone else. He could easily be Kim English at the high major level if he got a job right now.
 
Rather than bandy around finalities (Eg RIP cinderella) would rather just say it’s a chalk year.

Let’s see what happens next year before we declare anything is permanent.
Follow the money. It's not going to get better. It's going to become less variable.

I'd like to know how cinderellas have any chance when all the money/talent is going to consolidate in the top 20 teams or so. There are only so many programs out there with enough $$ committed to hoops. P4 will only grow stronger. This isn't 2005. This is a professional sport, like baseball. The difference is that in baseball, a small market team can see lightning strike occasionally through their farm system.

I'd expect May & Scheyer to be top 5 every season.
Almost certainly. Santa Clara is absolutely worthy of an at large bid. Certainly moreso than some of the luke warm teams like Auburn, Oklahoma, Indiana, Cincinnati, etc.
Crazy they'll get as many bids as the BE.
 
Some good conference championship games on right now for those that are interested. All games are close and competitive and in the 2nd half.

CAA Championship (CBS Sports Network)
3- Monmouth vs 1-Hofstra

Horizon League Championship (ESPN)
3-Detroit Mercy vs. 1-Wright St.

NEC Championship
3-Mercyhurst vs 1- Long Island U-Brooklyn
-I bet our comrade Hey Adrien is at this game
Interesting results in that each league's highest rated team by KenPom all won their conference tourney. Wonder if that will hold true for the MAC and Akron....
 
What is there for him to counter?

"2023 ain't happening anymore - that team was anchored by two developed juniors."

Your post doesn't make any sense.
Indeed. I mean, what is it that would hypothetically happen with Sophomores Andre Jackson and Adama Sanogo now as compared to three years ago ?? I find it quite a bit less likely that two players like that would elect to leave UConn as sophomores today than they were in 2022.

I mean UConn was a 4 seed in that tournament but finished #1 in KenPom. This isn't 2014 where UConn won out of nowhere and still ended up #14 in KenPom. They didn't have the best regular season in the country, but they objectively WERE the best team in the country.

And beyond the "...that team was anchored by two developed juniors" silliness, that team had SIX newcomers, including 4 transfers that played significant roles.
 
I assume you mean the Ohio team. Unlikely. Their "story" is nice, but they're not really that good.

When you watch these mid majors play it looks like JV compared to the top 20 teams.
 
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Way too risky of a hire right now for where that program is IMO. They’re just coming off an absolute disaster of a hire who was a Cuse guy and had no experience running a program. Moving to another Cuse guy with very little experience running a program (that had a huge NIL advantage in a really bad conference) is not the move I’d make. But that athletic department is clearly incompetent so who knows.
GMac has (literally) infinitely more coaching experience than Autry, who was not a college head coach before getting hired at Syracuse.
 
Indeed. I mean, what is it that would hypothetically happen with Sophomores Andre Jackson and Adama Sanogo now as compared to three years ago ?? I find it quite a bit less likely that two players like that would elect to leave UConn as sophomores today than they were in 2022.

I mean UConn was a 4 seed in that tournament but finished #1 in KenPom. This isn't 2014 where UConn won out of nowhere and still ended up #14 in KenPom. They didn't have the best regular season in the country, but they objectively WERE the best team in the country.

And beyond the "...that team was anchored by two developed juniors" silliness, that team had SIX newcomers, including 4 transfers that played significant roles.
His post makes no sense, it was just another time where another bizarre thought popped into his head on how he could take a swipe at UConn.
 
When you watch these mid majors play it looks like JV compared to the top 20 teams.
And at some point you have to acknowledge how bad the other team really is. They got Ohio by 2 in OT and that team is awful.
 
Interesting results in that each league's highest rated team by KenPom all won their conference tourney. Wonder if that will hold true for the MAC and Akron....
This is not true. Merrimack was higher than Siena, Belmont was higher than UNI, St Thomas was higher than NDSU, Navy was higher than both BU and Lehigh playing tonight for the autobid
 
GMac has (literally) infinitely more coaching experience than Autry, who was not a college head coach before getting hired at Syracuse.
He doesn’t have infinitely more coaching experience. He has 2 years more head coaching experience. That also doesn’t really contradict my point that he has a really small amount of experience to get a high major job and is a pretty big risk for a program that can’t really afford that risk right now IMO.
 
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And at some point you have to acknowledge how bad the other team really is. They got Ohio by 2 in OT and that team is awful.
It simply looks like another sport these days. A watered down MM is going to have zero chance against teams with multiple first rounders on them.

There isn't one single MM mocked in the first two rounds.
 
I'm sorry, did UConn NOT beat St Johns ?

If what Florida is doing now should be discredited for “feasting on a weak league”, shouldn’t the questions be why we didn’t feast on an even weaker league? Multiple weak SEC teams beat up on the 2nd place team in the Big East this year.
 
Kids sitting out conference tourney's kind of tells you how much anyone cares about these things.



I think it's important for Uconn given we have a bone to pick with Pitino, but generally not overly concerned with it. I remain optimistic Hurley has this group ready to go for the big dance, StJ part 2 style, but hedging with some of the realities of the roster.
 
Even in a vacuum I think it’s a bad idea. He might be a good coach, but what a huge risk for any high major program to take right now. One good year in a bad conference where his program outspends everyone else. He could easily be Kim English at the high major level if he got a job right now.
I get going away from the Cuse family especially after hiring Autry blew up in their face but I would go for a serious proven high major winner if that's the case, not an inexperienced head coach in Bryan Hodgson.

I don't know their financial situation but it should be good, Cuse is one of the major names in the sport. I'm of the opinion that Boeheim stayed on too long and handled his exit terribly. I don't believe any of the talk I see here that Syracuse is a bad job or is now a dead program. It's one of the best fanbases in the country and a really good coach would quickly get things rocking up there again.
 
Kids sitting out conference tourney's kind of tells you how much anyone cares about these things.



I think it's important for Uconn given we have a bone to pick with Pitino, but generally not overly concerned with it. I remain optimistic Hurley has this group ready to go for the big dance, StJ part 2 style, but hedging with some of the realities of the roster.

He's out because he's injured.
 
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