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I call bs. How did Akron do it? How did Kent St do it? What about Toledo? Well I’ll be damned Ohio got it done as well. Actually every team in their conference did it. They scheduled that soft because they didn’t think they were that good. That’s all him trying to put make up on a pig after the fact.

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Here is your proof

 
it's all slowly starting to come together. The top teams will fade, or a key injury catches up with them, like for Michigan and TTech. Arizona will choke. The bracket will open up for Uconn.
 
Here is your proof

"The university sent me more than 20 emails, including many high-level P4 schools. "

There are 368 division 1 programs. Unless they have a lot more this is even more damning. How does this justify scheduling 3 D2 schools? I don't care a great deal at this point. But this isn't some smoking gun.
 
it's all slowly starting to come together. The top teams will fade, or a key injury catches up with them, like for Michigan and TTech. Arizona will choke. The bracket will open up for Uconn.
Danny will pull out the sage and the underwear.
 
"The university sent me more than 20 emails, including many high-level P4 schools. "

There are 368 division 1 programs. Unless they have a lot more this is even more damning. How does this justify scheduling 3 D2 schools? I don't care a great deal at this point. But this isn't some smoking gun.
You said the coach and AD were lying about trying to schedule top teams. You were wrong, it's OK to admit that. You don't need to double down when presented with proof they did in fact reach out to a bunch of schools
 
You said the coach and AD were lying about trying to schedule top teams. You were wrong, it's OK to admit that. You don't need to double down when presented with proof they did in fact reach out to a bunch of schools
No I didn't. I said I didn't buy that they couldn't schedule better games. I even made it clear they didn't have to be top teams. Showing that they tried to schedule 20 programs out of 300+ proves my point not yours.

You think this proves they exhausted all options before scheduling 3 D2 programs? Lol

"No one would play us" really should be translated into "the 20 programs we contacted wouldn't play us". Would be more accurate. But of course they weren't going for accuracy.
 
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No I didn't. I said I didn't buy they couldn't schedule better games. I even made it clear they didn't have to be top teams. Showing that they tried to schedule 20 programs out of 300+ proves my point not yours.
Yes, you did. It's literally in the post I quoted from you. I said they tried to schedule better teams, and posted quotes from Travis Steele. You responded and said "I call bs" and "That’s all him trying to put make up on a pig after the fact."

We all agree Miami's schedule stinks, there's a reason they have the 196th rated SOS right now. My only point here is they tried to schedule better and the power conference teams didn't want to play them.
 
Yes, you did. It's literally in the post I quoted from you. I said they tried to schedule better teams, and posted quotes from Travis Steele. You responded and said "I call bs" and "That’s all him trying to put make up on a pig after the fact."

We all agree Miami's schedule stinks, there's a reason they have the 196th rated SOS right now. My only point here is they tried to schedule better and the power conference teams didn't want to play them.
Emailing 20 programs is not trying! WTH lmao. It just isn't. Again pull up where I said I wanted them to schedule top teams? This does nothing to change that they scheduled terribly and it isnt because the top teams they contacted didn't want to play them. They also don't have the 196th SOS. That would be an astronomical improvement.

Yes I call BS on them having the schedule they have because top teams didn't want to play. Why? Because that doesn't excuse the schedule they had. He's attempting to put make up on his pig. And you're buying it. I never said "they were lying about trying to schedule top teams". I literally said they didn't have to be top teams. Pull that up.
 
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I'm sorry, were these rating systems not created by humans ? They're not some independent AI generated super algorithm. They're rating systems designed by someone who has an opinion as to what components of that system are important. That someone's statistical rating system can be used to claim one team would win or lose games against another hypothetical opponent is not a "fact". But whatever.
You do know that they test these systems on past seasons to see if the components are actually correct, and not something that someone pulls out of their arse? That said, do you really believe that Biz thinks the predictions are facts - is that they will happen 100% of the time?
 
Emailing 20 programs is not trying! WTH lmao. It just isn't. Again pull up where I said I wanted them to schedule top teams? This does nothing to change that they scheduled terribly and it isnt because the top teams they contacted didn't want to play them. They also don't have the 196th SOS. That would be an astronomical improvement.

Yes I call BS on them having the schedule they have because top teams didn't want to play. Why? Because that doesn't excuse the schedule they had. He's attempting to put make up on his pig. And you're buying it.
I assume you'll find a way to spin this fact as well to fit your narrative. It varies by site since SOS is subjective, but they do. The 360 number you continue to cite is only OOC. Some other sites like Warren Nolan have them around 240, again much higher than your 360 number

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I assume you'll find a way to spin this fact as well to fit your narrative. It varies by site since SOS is subjective, but they do. The 360 number you continue to cite is only OOC. Some other sites like Warren Nolan have them around 240, again much higher than your 360 number

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Dude, they don't control there in conference schedule. We are talking about OOC. That's why their OOC SOS is what's being referenced. Lmfao
 
it's all slowly starting to come together. The top teams will fade, or a key injury catches up with them, like for Michigan and TTech. Arizona will choke. The bracket will open up for Uconn.
Doomed...
 
I’d agree if Miami(OH) didn’t have one of the worst schedules in CBB. Their issue wasn’t that they couldn’t get high majors to schedule them. They didn’t get anyone with a pulse on their schedule.

I’m also not advocating for “bad power” teams to get in over good majors. I’m advocating for good power teams on the bubble (Seton Hall) who have beaten good teams and proven themselves against actual teams with a pulse. Yes, Seton Hall deserves a bid more than Miami(OH). Miami(OH) just simply had to replace the 3 D2 teams they played with a URI? A Dayton? A DePaul? A Yale? I mean anybody. It didn’t have to be the top power schools.

Mid majors such as Miami(OH) should schedule A CHALLENGE. Just one. That’s not asking too much. And others have. And because they have they aren’t “undefeated”. It doesn’t make them any less deserving.

And you believe that? You believe he couldn’t get one good team to schedule them? That’s naive. Akron was known to be good before the season started. They were a sexy pick as a good mid major. And got people to schedule them. He’s attempting to justify his putrid scheduling. I just think you’re buying what he’s selling. I’m not. I guess we’ll see.

So they didnt fear losing to 359 other Div 1 teams? It doesn’t track to me. You’d have to take him at his word. And it seems convenient. They didn’t fear losing to Akron? Who was widely seen as a good mid major heading into the season. Yall believe that if yall want lol. Not one team? Come on lmao

None of them scheduled as bad as Miami(OH) is my point. I’m not asking for them to play a murderers row. Just play one game against someone with a pulse instead of 3 D2 games. Almost everyone else did it. There were only 8 teams with a worse schedule
@navery12 and I'm not spinning anything. Its what I've been saying. It didn't have to be a top teams.
 
Dude, they don't control there in conference schedule. We are talking about OOC. That's why their OOC SOS is what's being referenced. Lmfao
No, we were talking about whether a Miami team that goes 31-0 in the regular season would deserve a bid. You have decided they do not because of their bad OOC schedule. I think the 18 conference games they played and won in this hypothetical also matter, which is why I am referencing their total SOS. It devolved into only discussing their OOC but that's not where we started.
 
No, we were talking about whether a Miami team that goes 31-0 in the regular season would deserve a bid. You have decided they do not because of their bad OOC schedule. I think the 18 conference games they played and won in this hypothetical also matter, which is why I am referencing their total SOS. It devolved into only discussing their OOC but that's not where we started.
Because Im not advocating for teams to be punished because of a conference they don't control. There conference performance has never been my focus, nor I have commented on it. They should however be punished for what they could control which is their OOC scheduling. I criticize BE teams for the same thing. Scheduling terribly OOC and then performing well in conference.

They didn't have to play a bunch of top 25 or top 100 KenPom teams. They just needed to play a team with a pulse. Im shocked that controversial
 
Because Im not advocating for teams to be punished because of a conference they don't control. There conference performance has never been my focus, nor I have commented on it. They should however be punished for what they could control which is their OOC scheduling. I criticize BE teams for the same thing. Scheduling OOC and then performing well in conference.
This conversation has really gotten off track, I'm not absolving them of their poor OOC schedule. You think it was because they didn't try in spite of blatant evidence otherwise, but that really doesn't matter.

All I said from the start is if you go 31-0 you should get in. I don't care who you schedule, that is a really hard feat and there's a reason it's only happened 24 times in 76 years. Every year teams schedule horrific OOC schedules and play in weak conferences, yet none of them manage to go undefeated. That should be rewarded because it is a very hard thing to accomplish
 
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This conversation has really gotten off track, I'm not absolving them of their poor OOC schedule. You think it was because they didn't try in spite of blatant evidence otherwise, but that really doesn't matter.

All I said from the start is if you go 31-0 you should get in. I don't care who you schedule, that is a really hard feat and there's a reason it's only happened 24 times in 76 years. Every year teams schedule horrific OOC schedules and play in weak conferences, yet none of them manage to go undefeated. That should be rewarded because it is a very hard thing to accomplish
You have the right to that point of view. I think the misunderstanding is happening in the definition of "try". My tone is "they didn't try hard enough". There's a big gap between those 20 programs saying no and settling instead for 3 D2 games. My issue has never been they don't have a schedule littered with top teams. But rather they don't have a schedule with anyone worth playing on it. That I think they could've done. I think they chose the same method the top teams did. We are going to either play low risk- high reward games or we'll play games we know we will win. And to their credit, it worked. They are being considered for an at large when had they lost to a Dayton or a St Bonaventure they would not be.

They shot big and when they missed they chose guaranteed wins instead.
 
You have the right to that point of view. I think the misunderstanding is happening in the definition of "try". My tone is "they didn't try hard enough". There's a big gap between those 20 programs saying no and settling instead for 3 D2 games. My issue has never been they don't have a schedule littered with top teams. But rather they don't have a schedule with anyone worth playing on it. That I think they could've done. I think they chose the same method the top teams did. We are going to either play low risk- high reward games or we'll play games we know we will win. And to their credit, it worked. They are being considered for an at large when had they lost to a Dayton or a St Bonaventure they would not be.

They shot big and when they missed they chose guaranteed wins instead.
You're entitled to that opinion. I think it's a weird one to have when you're being presented with evidence that directly contradicts it but you're entitled to do that. And to be clear these are only the emails that were sent looking for games, not all of the other places ADs post looking for games. Another example not directly tied to Miami of the parameters these schools are setting. And this isn't even a good school.

 
You're entitled to that opinion. I think it's a weird one to have when you're being presented with evidence that directly contradicts it but you're entitled to do that. And to be clear these are only the emails that were sent looking for games, not all of the other places ADs post looking for games. Another example not directly tied to Miami of the parameters these schools are setting. And this isn't even a good school.


I don't think you actually understand my point. So I'll end it here, I don't think i've been presented with one thing that proves they could not schedule a decent D1 school. Scheduling is hard for everyone. If it is true that there was not 1 game they could schedule to off set one of the 3 D2 teams they played then CBB is over. I don't believe that. All this evidence you've shown that high major teams are making it more difficult is valid. But then again, thats not what I'm asking Miami(OH) to have done. I think that point is getting lost. They clearly wanted big names or no names. It seems to me at least that they ignored the large gap in between.

I wont die on this hill. I don't care enough. Let them in so they can get smacked by a 6 seed. All will be well in the world again
 
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I don't think you actually understand my point. So I'll end it here, I don't think i've been presented with one thing that proves they could not schedule a decent D1 school. Scheduling is hard for everyone. If it is true that there was not 1 game they could schedule to off set one of the 3 D2 teams they played then CBB is over. I don't believe that. All this evidence you've shown that high major teams are making it more difficult is valid. But then again, thats not what I'm asking Miami(OH) to have done. I think that point is getting lost. They clearly wanted big names or no names. It seems to me at least that they ignored the large gap in between.

I wont die on this hill. I don't care enough. Let them in so they can get smacked by a 6 seed. All will be well in the world again
I get your point, it doesn't need be a top school. I know the article cut off after 3 and most people aren't subscribers to Extra Points. It was not just top schools who shut them out. Boise State and Grand Canyon who are top 50ish KenPom teams were on there and responded but didn't agree to a game. Sacred Heart who is barely even top 300 was on there and didn't even respond so it was spread across a whole range of teams.

I don't even think they're going to win in the tournament either, I just think they deserve to be there
 
Where would Silas go?

We can't bank on any of our bench guys being starters next season, though I do think Ross could possibly be a starter on a championship type team next season. We really can't bank on Furphy getting some run as the Mullins role, he plays nothing like him and his talent isn't in the same ballpark as Mullins.
NBA?
 
Where would Silas go?

We can't bank on any of our bench guys being starters next season, though I do think Ross could possibly be a starter on a championship type team next season. We really can't bank on Furphy getting some run as the Mullins role, he plays nothing like him and his talent isn't in the same ballpark as Mullins.
pretty harsh take…

we get a 3 and a 2 in Landrew and County.

Furphy back in U19 had a lot of Mullins overlap just isn’t there yet. Was hitting 3s and driving with a good left hand finish when needed. Also loves playing D.

Reibe is likely starting at the 5 pending portal better or worse than him.

Ross/Stewart can start. Stewart did when Mullins was out.

Guys like Jacob Ross still won’t crack the core 8/9 but with only 2 coming in and up to 6 going out the math needs 4 transfers to keep the bench the bench.
 
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NBA?
Show me a mock where he's even close to the first round. He's not going to the NBA unless he's willing to be a late second rounder this year.

He would command a pretty penny in the portal, but I doubt he's
pretty harsh take…

we get a 3 and a 2 in Landrew and County.

Furphy back in U19 had a lot of Mullins overlap just isn’t there yet. Was hitting 3s and driving with a good left hand finish when needed. Also loves playing D.

Reibe is likely starting at the 5 pending portal better or worse than him.

Ross/Stewart can start. Stewart did when Mullins was out.

Guys like Jacob Ross still won’t crack the core 8/9 but with only 2 coming in and up to 6 going out the math needs 4 transfers to keep the bench the bench.
Reibe is a catch 22 - if he's not starting, I'd wonder if he's staying. I'd have to think he's a shoe in to start.

There is no way both Ross & Stew are starting, not a chance. At least not if they want an NC winning roster. I can see Ross in there if enough players around him.

As of right now, I think we can pencil in Reibe, Solo & Silas as starters. The 4 recruitment will be significant. I'd love a strong, athletic 4 with ability to score near the rim. Would then love a strong shooting on ball 3 that can make the open 3 and find space off the dribble.

Not going to speculate yet on if our bench is staying/going.
 
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