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March General CBB Discussion Thread

Mr. French said:
At risk of getting into the minutiae further, the fact is that the statistical forecasts are saying these things. That is indeed a fact. He’s not saying it’s a fact that these things will happen, he’s saying it’s a fact that statistically that’s being forecasted. It’s not just someone’s opinion.
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Thank you. That is what I (correctly) said. What the expectation is is a fact.
 
DRBackup said:
I'd say two things - one, until proven otherwise, the tournament is more about guards than front court players, but that doesn't imply shooting, or shooting threes. Granted, they're from quite a while ago, but even last year's UConn team suffered from teh same lack of guards and ball handling that cost them in 2000 and 2006. Second, I'd say part of the problem with teams that shoot the three is that a cold shooting night knocks you out, and playing in unfamiliar arenas or against unfamiliar opponents, especially ones that play strong defense, or just physical can cause a cold shooting night.
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Well then this year will be put to the test, because of the 4 teams most are considered front runners, guards are not the strength of Duke, UM or Florida. AZ does have some strong guard play, as does Houston. We also have solid guard play. The two favored teams are both so because of their FC's.
 
DRBackup said:
Seriously ? You're referencing the trained monkey voting polls as evidence of anything ? A team wins, they move up. A team loses, they move down. That's the extent of the intelligence in the "rankings". Good lord.
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Someone’s in an argumentative mood.

They haven’t lost a game. That’s why they deserve it. Coupled with the fact that many believe they are deserving of a top 25 ranking.

I don’t believe that was the crux of the argument but it’s not entirely devoid of use. You know that, though. You’re just on one today.
 
Mr. French said:
Someone’s in an argumentative mood.

They haven’t lost a game. That’s why they deserve it. Coupled with the fact that many believe they are deserving of a top 25 ranking.

I don’t believe that was the crux of the argument but it’s not entirely devoid of use. You know that, though. You’re just on one today.
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No, the only thing I'm arguing here is that the popularity contest that is the polling is irrelevant.
 
Mr. French said:
Someone’s in an argumentative mood.

They haven’t lost a game. That’s why they deserve it. Coupled with the fact that many believe they are deserving of a top 25 ranking.

I don’t believe that was the crux of the argument but it’s not entirely devoid of use. You know that, though. You’re just on one today.
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This will be Exhibit A of my longstanding argument that polls don’t matter.

No way Miami gets a 6 seed, which is what their ranking suggest. Can’t believe that was even an argument with someone.
 
RuffRuff said:
Well then this year will be put to the test, because of the 4 teams most are considered front runners, guards are not the strength of Duke, UM or Florida. AZ does have some strong guard play, as does Houston. We also have solid guard play. The two favored teams are both so because of their FC's.
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Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.
 
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Mr. French said:
At risk of getting into the minutiae further, the fact is that the statistical forecasts are saying these things. That is indeed a fact. He’s not saying it’s a fact that these things will happen, he’s saying it’s a fact that statistically that’s being forecasted. It’s not just someone’s opinion.
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I'm sorry, were these rating systems not created by humans ? They're not some independent AI generated super algorithm. They're rating systems designed by someone who has an opinion as to what components of that system are important. That someone's statistical rating system can be used to claim one team would win or lose games against another hypothetical opponent is not a "fact". But whatever.
 
uconngb said:
This will be Exhibit A of my longstanding argument that polls don’t matter.

No way Miami gets a 6 seed, which is what their ranking suggest. Can’t believe that was even an argument with someone.
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I wish they meant nothing. But like guards vs. frontcourt, it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out. Objectively, based on KenPom and Torvik, given where teams were seeded previous and rated similarly, Miami is a 12/13 and that's if they don't lose, which will push them further down. Maybe an 11 ? Depends on where they finish. Very doubtful they get close to a 6 like the polls suggest, but which are they closer to in the end ?
 
DRBackup said:
I wish they meant nothing. But like guards vs. frontcourt, it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out. Objectively, based on KenPom and Torvik, given where teams were seeded previous and rated similarly, Miami is a 12/13 and that's if they don't lose, which will push them further down. Maybe an 11 ? Depends on where they finish. Very doubtful they get close to a 6 like the polls suggest, but which are they closer to in the end ?
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Let’s hope they win their tourney so it’s not even a convo.
 
DRBackup said:
I'm sorry, were these rating systems not created by humans ? They're not some independent AI generated super algorithm. They're rating systems designed by someone who has an opinion as to what components of that system are important. That someone's statistical rating system can be used to claim one team would win or lose games against another hypothetical opponent is not a "fact". But whatever.
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oh boy.

this isn't that hard to get.
 
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Miami of Florida is somehow 24-6…cupcake schedule. They are athletic at least. I’d love to see them in the sweet 16.
 
uconnbaseball said:
Miami of Florida is somehow 24-6…cupcake schedule. They are athletic at least. I’d love to see them in the sweet 16.
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They are strong inside and have an excellent point guard. Not very deep though, and they don't always shoot the ball well from the perimeter. Great job by Lucas in his first season coaching.
 
aceboon said:
Purdue down 9 @ the half on the road to sub .500 Northwestern
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something is off in that locker room - but they have a lot of old guys going through the motions in their last year. Can they turn it on in the big tourney?

Houston down 10 to Baylor at home with 5 to play at home. Kinda stuff old Kelvin teams would never have an issue with.

You have to ask yourself how may of these teams are experiencing some late regular season burnout before the real season begins.
 
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This Houston team is operating at about 50% of the defensive intensity of the Houston teams of the last few years. Not sure what is going on with this group.

Amazing how these bad teams always fold down the stretch.
 
Also, Houston games are still unwatchable unless they have an interesting matchup. Rich man’s Seton Hall
 
RuffRuff said:
Arkansas walloping Texas by 30 - so many extreme blowouts this year.
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105-85. I can't even wrap my head around it. Ark scored 56 and 49 each half. Does either team not play any kind of defense at all?
 
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RuffRuff said:
You have to ask yourself how may of these teams are experiencing some late regular season burnout before the real season begins.
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No, I do not have to ask myself how ma[n]y of these teams are experiencing some late season burnout before the real season begins.

If you've personally felt compelled to ask yourself this question, just say so. Stop pretending you speak for others when it's not so.
 
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