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March General CBB Discussion Thread

navery12 said:
Is that enough shooting in the lineup? I'm not against it but just my first thought of Diop and Reibe
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Duke, UM, AZ and Florida aren't stocked with shooters. We ran away with it in 2024 without shooting the 3 well.

There has been this prevailing thought that you need guards and shooting to win in March. Maybe that is overdone and trends are swinging, as they do in sports. Maybe it's defense, smothering shooting, owning the paint. The issue with shooters is that they're usually one dimensional, and streaky.

If shooting 3's is going to win it this year, then the Bama, Illinois and Nebraska should be going on runs.

Michigan - 71st in 3pt made, due mainly to their pace
Duke - 92
Houston - 104
Uconn - 120
Arizona - 336
Florida - 205

Top teams this year are not full of shooters. If one of those 4 teams win this year, will be proof enough that over-indexing on shooters is a dead concept and there is a movement back to owning the paint, extending defenses. I'm all for it - the shooting era is like watching paint dry. You need it, but you definitely don't sacrifice other things for it.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Maybe Bobby can get the PC job when they can English. I think he'd be more successful there than at ASU.
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I think English needs to go, but if they finish top 5 in the league and get a bye (still possible) do they keep him around?
 
RuffRuff said:
Duke, UM, AZ and Florida aren't stocked with shooters. We ran away with it in 2024 without shooting the 3 well.

There has been this prevailing thought that you need guards and shooting to win in March. Maybe that is overdone and trends are swinging, as they do in sports. Maybe it's defense, smothering shooting, owning the paint. The issue with shooters is that they're usually one dimensional, and streaky.

If shooting 3's is going to win it this year, then the Bama, Illinois and Nebraska should be going on runs.

Michigan - 71st in 3pt made, due mainly to their pace
Duke - 92
Houston - 104
Uconn - 120
Arizona - 336
Florida - 205

Top teams this year are not full of shooters. If one of those 4 teams win this year, will be proof enough that over-indexing on shooters is a dead concept and there is a movement back to owning the paint, extending defenses. I'm all for it - the shooting era is like watching paint dry. You need it, but you definitely don't sacrifice other things for it.
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I agree with most of this post, but the context is about a frontline without any 3P shooters (Reibe + Diop). Most of the teams you mention have at least one guy in the frontcourt who is a 3P threat. Boozer and Yaxel attempt over 4 threes a game each, Haugh over 5 for Fla. So while you're right about volume, you still ideally want one of your 2 frontcourt guys to be able to stretch the floor.
 
Kemba15 said:
I agree with most of this post, but the context is about a frontline without any 3P shooters (Reibe + Diop). Most of the teams you mention have at least one guy in the frontcourt who is a 3P threat. Boozer and Yaxel attempt over 4 threes a game each, Haugh over 5 for Fla. So while you're right about volume, you still ideally want one of your 2 frontcourt guys to be able to stretch the floor.
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All indications are that Reibe is in fact a shooter. Staff trusts him, form looks good, % has dropped as his minutes have become less consistent but I think that is to be expected. So I don't think shooting would be an issue.

My real question would be is he mobile enough to guard athletic 4s that can not only step outside and make shots but also get to the hole when they put the ball on the floor? He doesn't look like he has no mobility but he doesn't look very quick laterally either
 
No taunting about potential double bigs please. Gotten hopes up too many times only to see them dashed. Long live the double big dream.😀
 
Kemba15 said:
I agree with most of this post, but the context is about a frontline without any 3P shooters (Reibe + Diop). Most of the teams you mention have at least one guy in the frontcourt who is a 3P threat. Boozer and Yaxel attempt over 4 threes a game each, Haugh over 5 for Fla. So while you're right about volume, you still ideally want one of your 2 frontcourt guys to be able to stretch the floor.
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Florida starts two 6'11 guys who don't shoot. Arizona starts a 7'2 guy and two 6'7 guys, none of them shoot.
 
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superjohn said:
They can both shoot for big guys and Diop can face up and take people off the dribble. We're great but I think we've been a little too obsessed with having 4 shooters on the floor and have sacrificed size and athleticism for it. It has worked out this season but we are at a physical disadvantage against a handful of other top teams.

Diop would solve our lack of physicality, lack of intimidation, lack of athleticism, lack of rim attack, and lack of alley oops all in one player.
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I'm not against bringing him in if he wants to come here, I know Hurley would make it work. But I do think it's a little weird to say we've become too obsessed with shooting when that change was a huge part of winning 2 championships immediately and an incredibly successful 4 year run
 
Kemba15 said:
I agree with most of this post, but the context is about a frontline without any 3P shooters (Reibe + Diop). Most of the teams you mention have at least one guy in the frontcourt who is a 3P threat. Boozer and Yaxel attempt over 4 threes a game each, Haugh over 5 for Fla. So while you're right about volume, you still ideally want one of your 2 frontcourt guys to be able to stretch the floor.
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True - but not at the sake of having a 4 that feels more like a 3 physically. Yaxel and Haugh play the 3, mobile 6'9" types - those are not easy to find. Boozer as a P4 that can shoot threes, also not easy to find.

While Reibe can shoot a three here and there, no sure that will ever be mainstay. He's got a slow release and shoots is poorly from the FT line.

Getting a really good 4 is going to be critical for next year.
 
navery12 said:
I'm not against bringing him in if he wants to come here, I know Hurley would make it work. But I do think it's a little weird to say we've become too obsessed with shooting when that change was a huge part of winning 2 championships immediately and an incredibly successful 4 year run
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Having a shooter over a real paint guy at the 4 is the part that needs to be rethought. Clingan fixes a lot of things.
 
Nameless said:
I think English needs to go, but if they finish top 5 in the league and get a bye (still possible) do they keep him around?
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I'm not sure what Cooley's contract still shows on PC's books, but if they didn't buy him out, they could still be paying him and I'm not sure PC has the coffers to pay 3 coaches (Cooley, English, new guy).
 
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Mainly this come down to Silas staying or not.

If he stays, Power Forward and Center are top priorities, backup PG is secondary
If he goes, PG is the top priority, then Power Forward and Center and backup PG secondary.

Furphy will get some run as the "Mullins" role but Jayden will start as he started when Mullins was out and other reasons.

County and Landrew will get some play but we'll know pretty early if either turn in to a starter or turn into Nowell and Abraham. I'm not predicting here - just saying we will know.
 
navery12 said:
Why would it need to be rethought? Have we not been successful with a shooter at the 4?
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Yes, with Donovan Clingan at the 5. We've seen two years running where powerful front courts are driving the bus. If we can find another Clingan, all for it. Reibe is not that.
 
Lafayette said:
Mainly this come down to Silas staying or not.

If he stays, Power Forward and Center are top priorities, backup PG is secondary
If he goes, PG is the top priority, then Power Forward and Center and backup PG secondary.

Furphy will get some run as the "Mullins" role but Jayden will start as he started when Mullins was out and other reasons.

County and Landrew will get some play but we'll know pretty early if either turn in to a starter or turn into Nowell and Abraham. I'm not predicting here - just saying we will know.
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This portal season is going to be a really interesting watch.
 
Edward Sargent said:
because shooters are so streaky you want lots of them not less
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If I was designing the ideal roster based on trend:

5 - rim protector, lob threat. guys like Krivas, Mara, etc. Maybe Reibe is that with some strength.
4 - size, prioritize rebounding, ability to play above rim, good athlete
3 - strong shooting 3 with size
2 - good sized 2 that can shoot, can also create off the dribble
1 - on ball creator with size

Bench - backup PG, change of pace. Backup 5, change of pace. Backup 2/3 in similar mold of the starters. Our current roster has that at the 1 & the 3.
 
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navery12 said:
I'm not against bringing him in if he wants to come here, I know Hurley would make it work. But I do think it's a little weird to say we've become too obsessed with shooting when that change was a huge part of winning 2 championships immediately and an incredibly successful 4 year run
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We've gone over this a bunch. They had Clingan and Jackson and then Clingan and Castle. They also had Samson. That made UConn an entirely different team from a physicality and athleticsm standpoint.

Pretty sure Hurley has even admitted/alluded to needing to get more physical/athletic.

I don't care about trend/whatever RuffRuff is talking about but I think we've gone a little too finesse the past couple of years. I want a better mix of shooting along with physicality and athleticism than we've seen these past two seasons.
 
Lafayette said:
Mainly this come down to Silas staying or not.

If he stays, Power Forward and Center are top priorities, backup PG is secondary
If he goes, PG is the top priority, then Power Forward and Center and backup PG secondary.

Furphy will get some run as the "Mullins" role but Jayden will start as he started when Mullins was out and other reasons.

County and Landrew will get some play but we'll know pretty early if either turn in to a starter or turn into Nowell and Abraham. I'm not predicting here - just saying we will know.
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Where would Silas go?

We can't bank on any of our bench guys being starters next season, though I do think Ross could possibly be a starter on a championship type team next season. We really can't bank on Furphy getting some run as the Mullins role, he plays nothing like him and his talent isn't in the same ballpark as Mullins.
 
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Deepster said:
I'm not sure what Cooley's contract still shows on PC's books, but if they didn't buy him out, they could still be paying him and I'm not sure PC has the coffers to pay 3 coaches (Cooley, English, new guy).
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Why would Cooley's contract be on PC books? He left...if anything him leaving got PC whatever buyout Gtown had to pay. PC didnt buy him out. You're not responsible for paying a guy that leaves without being fired
 
RuffRuff said:
Yes, with Donovan Clingan at the 5. We've seen two years running where powerful front courts are driving the bus. If we can find another Clingan, all for it. Reibe is not that.
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We are 27-3 and on track to get a 1 seed this season. Last time I checked Donovan Clingan is in Portland
 
superjohn said:
Florida starts two 6'11 guys who don't shoot. Arizona starts a 7'2 guy and two 6'7 guys, none of them shoot.
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Condon has taken 51 3s this year, so I'd say it's in the middle of what we're saying. AZ is one example, yes.
 
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