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Michigan looks good partly because they are pretty athletic and play in a league of unathletic teams. This Purdue team is slow and not a lot of size, they make Michigan look like world beaters. Somehow it’s only a 2 point game
 
The one good thing about college basketball this year is how the freshman performed.

We were moving toward a portal model of men with 22 or 23 year old bodies beating up on teams with players recruited out of high school.

In college hockey, you see this all the time. When I recently looked at the college hockey rankings, I was shocked to see Augustana was one of the top teams, something that only happened because so many schools are taking players who flamed out in semi-pro leagues and they come to college as 22 year olds. I don't want the hockey model to become the basketball model. So many of the US national team guys come to college and end up moving onto the NHL before they're even ready to compete for college titles. They get stashed in the AHL for a few seasons.
 
RuffRuff said:
Vandy had a ton of points off turnovers.

Very - they just play no defense, so it looks even better. I'd love to see some SEC teams in the tourney as they haven't seen a real defense in ages. Lot's of top defenses in the B12.
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I can’t wait to see how the SEC does. I think they will be absolutely be exposed this tournament and you couldn’t be more right about the SEC not playing any defense.
 
ucp990411 said:
We do disagree. Karaban was matched up with Hopkins for the most part. Hopkins totally outplayed him. Mullens was matched up with Mitchell mostly. Mitchell’s physicality and quickness completely took him out of the game and Solo looked scared the whole game. Our only players who were not intimidated were Silas, Ross and Reed who was outplayed by Ebijor.
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Hopkins outplayed Karaban. Agreed. It wasn’t because of physical attributes. Hopkins scored 3 times on Alex. One was a 3. Mullins got plenty of open looks and opportunities in the second half, he just didn’t convert and/or made a boneheaded decision(see him throwing the ball in the stands, unforced). What does solo bricking shots and looking scared have to do with physicality? Solo is just a shell of the shooter he was and offers nothing else outside of that.

We were down 7 with a chance to cut it to 4 and proceed to miss 4 consecutive open shots. That’s why we lost the game.

Our advantage was supposed to be shooting, we shot 3-19 from behind the arc. That’s why we lost.

We gave up 24 points on 16 turnovers which allowed them to avoid out half court defense, set up pressure and speed up are shaky ball handlers and passers. That’s why we lost.

If you want to argue they were rattled you’d get no argument from me because j agree. I just don’t agree that they were physically incapable if meeting the challenge or that their physical “limitations” is why they lost. Because neither of those are true. They lost because they missed open shots and gave up 24 points off turnovers. Many of which were unforced.
 
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Hurleyman216 said:
Michigan looks good partly because they are pretty athletic and play in a league of unathletic teams. This Purdue team is slow and not a lot of size, they make Michigan look like world beaters. Somehow it’s only a 2 point game
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You don't think it's because they have three first round picks in their front court?

B10 is overrated in my opinion too - imbalanced teams, mainly offensive with teams like Purdue, Illinois and Nebraska. UM plays with their food a lot.
 
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I said it the other day but Michigan looks tired of playing B10 teams, their recent slate of conf games hasn't had the same type of separation
 
controlfade said:
I can’t wait to see how the SEC does. I think they will be absolutely be exposed this tournament and you couldn’t be more right about the SEC not playing any defense.
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I tend to think the B12 teams will have the most success in this tournament.
 
Thank goodness the BE schedule is over and we can get back to showing the OOC teams what we do
 
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Hurleyman216 said:
Michigan looks good partly because they are pretty athletic and play in a league of unathletic teams. This Purdue team is slow and not a lot of size, they make Michigan look like world beaters. Somehow it’s only a 2 point game
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Well Purdue has their gauntlet of guards- slow or otherwise- and Michigan has Cadeau. We've been wondering when UM would finally have a game where they couldn't overcome the absence of Cason and this could be it.
 
RuffRuff said:
That Duke Michigan game had more juice than most conf games. Need more of that.
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Especially if the BE specifically is going to have so few opportunities and so many pit falls.
 
KingAG said:
I think they all held their own outside of the Hopkins matchup when Alex sat. We had no one to check him with no Stewie. Where are the numbers that backup something different?

Again we beat them on the glass by a good margin. Beat them on offensive boards, and matched them in points in the paint. Darling, Sellers, Sanon, and Jackson did not physically overwhelm our backcourt. Ross did more than hold his own against Mitchell. Taris and Ejifor were a wash. You’re referring to minutes where Mullins or Ross had to check Hopkins down low.

They played more aggressively than us which sped up our decision making. And we have a team who struggles to make high IQ decisions. If I had the time I’d go through every turnover and ask you to show how it had anything to do with a physical advantage.


If you’re referring to the blatant grabbing and holding that was allowed that’s a different conversation.

Regarding Taris, he was such a physical advantage we spammed him in the 2nd half and it worked lmao. It was just too late. So how is saying Taris physically held his own being “very generous”?
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The rebounding margin was because we shot 34% from the field and 3 for 19 from three, a lot of long rebounds. There was one possession where we got something like 4 bounces to go our on the offensive possession and we still didn't cash in. We had all sorts of problems with their physicality, athleticism and length leading to turnovers and missed opportunities at the rim, Zuby had 7 blocks. They were also dunking all over us.
 
I remember UConn used to half that non conference game roughly in the middle of
Conference play. The first natty year they had to go out Stanford after suffering a bad loss to Cuse. They had a couple of years of playing UNC out of conference in late Jan early feb. the Kansas game after Kirk king and Ricky Moore were suspended was mid January.
 
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KingAG said:
Especially if the BE specifically is going to have so few opportunities and so many pit falls.
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The problem with the league this year was that the bottom third was historically good (and better than the bottom third of the other conferences). This is in turn was a problem as they beat up on the middle third (see Creighton going 3-5 against the top 4 (pretty solid) and 6-6 against everyone else. When your last place team beats Clemson and your 8th team smokes Virginia, the bottom isn’t a problem. The real problem was that the middle third sucked.
 
KingAG said:
Especially if the BE specifically is going to have so few opportunities and so many pit falls.
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It was so much worse in AAC times. Felt like every team we played was ranked between like 40 and 90, meaning they could pick you off on a good day but you got nothing for beating them
 
The way the whole basketball schedule is set up is dumb. Especially now with all the transfers every year, teams aren’t who they ultimately will be until February. All the games that matter out of conference are played in Nov/Dec. Those games against teams that aren’t fully themselves are used to determine how good a conference is and that sets seeding for every team for the tournament. I’d rather mix in conference with non conference. It would give everyone a better idea of who is good and who is a fraud. Every year we have some power conference get 6-8 teams in and flame out because they won a bunch of games in Nov/Dec, but really their league sucks.
 
KingAG said:
I think they all held their own outside of the Hopkins matchup when Alex sat. We had no one to check him with no Stewie. Where are the numbers that backup something different?

Again we beat them on the glass by a good margin. Beat them on offensive boards, and matched them in points in the paint. Darling, Sellers, Sanon, and Jackson did not physically overwhelm our backcourt. Ross did more than hold his own against Mitchell. Taris and Ejifor were a wash. You’re referring to minutes where Mullins or Ross had to check Hopkins down low.

They played more aggressively than us which sped up our decision making. And we have a team who struggles to make high IQ decisions. If I had the time I’d go through every turnover and ask you to show how it had anything to do with a physical advantage.


If you’re referring to the blatant grabbing and holding that was allowed that’s a different conversation.

Regarding Taris, he was such a physical advantage we spammed him in the 2nd half and it worked lmao. It was just too late. So how is saying Taris physically held his own being “very generous”?
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Got it. Our players were throwing the ball out of bounds, missing layups, and getting the ball stuffed in their faces because they were "sped up" and not physically intimidated. Potato-potatoe...
 
What don't you see in this Purdue Michigan game? Physical contact. refs call fouls on the slightest touch so there is no physicality. Maybe a bit inside but that seems to be it. Theres no mugging cutters, We would thrive in this game.
 
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aceboon said:
Does Purdue have a 2 seed locked up?
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Prob. Bracket is likely done at this point. hopefully Purdue bumped MSU off the 2 line instead of ISU.
 
CTBasketball said:
Push us to 8 on the S Curve and keep us in the East.
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Read the race for 1 seed thread. We don’t need to be 8th on the s curve to get the east, we just can’t be 5th
 
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