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Luke Murray and BC?

Hoophound said:
I think you underestimate the damage failure does to a coaching career. Remember, Luke makes big money now and is the sole heir to a substantial fortune. He does not need to take a crap job. My guess is that if he takes it, it is because he wants a head job and it’s nearby and won’t cause too much disruption to his family. I hope he does well there if he goes, but I’m not so sure this is the right job for him.

One thing that could be in play is that he knows Danny isn’t going to stick around for too many more years and he needs high level experience asap to be in line to take over at UConn. This keeps him nearby and visible while giving him that experience.
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Doesn’t Bill Murray have 6 kids?
 
Palatine said:
Jim Calhoun was offered the Northwestern job when he was Head Coach at Northeastern. He talked to his friend Booby Knight. Knight advised his against taking the job at the long time B10 laggard. The best rule of thumb is to look at each position individually and not follow rules of thumb.
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Knight's big takeaway advice was to go to the state flagship school, not the privates.
 
SJU was a moribund program for more than two decades, absolutely nothing going for them, one coaching failure after another. No resources, commuter school, all they had really were hone games at MSG. Hire Pitino and three years later, look at the SJU situation.

BCU is similar to me. There is tradition there, there is a fan base and there is money, lots of money. If Luke’s hire energizes the donors and the fan base and he has success, I do think BCU hoops can look very different in a very short time. Eight ACC teams made the NCAA tourney this year. Luke doesn’t have to unseat Dook or UNC, he just has to finish in the top half of the conference to get the ball rolling. It won’t be easy and I like pretty much everyone on here detests BCU but it is not a hopeless situation.
 
HuskyHawk said:
BC is going to need rev share for football, and while they can't commit to much NIL, the opportunity to earn NIL in Boston is massive. Imagine what Doug Flutie would have pulled down in the NIL era.
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You make a great point here, but that opportunity doesn’t currently exist for BC basketball players. I work in the world of sponsorship and athlete endorsements. True NIL deals - the kind that actually leverage athletes’ name, image and likeness - only exist under one or more of the following conditions:

  • The athlete plays for a school with a rabid local/regional/national following and the brand wants the associative benefits from the athlete relationship - without having to invest in sponsorship of the school athletic dept.
  • The athlete has a truly unique personal story that is relevant to the brand.
  • The brand is already a primary sponsor of the school’s athletic department and wants to use NIL deals to activate the sponsorship in-market (ad creative, athlete retail appearances, promotions, etc.)
  • The brand is an NCAA corporate partner and needs athletes from top programs to rationalize and activate the NCAA deal during March Madness.

BC hoops has close to zero local recognition. The universe of brands, global and local, in the Boston area, is significant. But it would take a seismic shift in the fortunes of that program for BC players to leverage those local opportunities. Not happening anytime soon.
 
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nycscooby said:
SJU was a moribund program for more than two decades, absolutely nothing going for them, one coaching failure after another. No resources, commuter school, all they had really were hone games at MSG. Hire Pitino and three years later, look at the SJU situation.

BCU is similar to me. There is tradition there, there is a fan base and there is money, lots of money. If Luke’s hire energizes the donors and the fan base and he has success, I do think BCU hoops can look very different in a very short time. Eight ACC teams made the NCAA tourney this year. Luke doesn’t have to unseat Dook or UNC, he just has to finish in the top half of the conference to get the ball rolling. It won’t be easy and I like pretty much everyone on here detests BCU but it is not a hopeless situation.
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St. John's was bad but nowhere near as bad as BC.

St. John's hired one of the greatest head coaches in college basketball history. BC would be hiring someone who has never been a college head coach before.

St. John's is spending money only a handful of programs are spending. BC won't even be in the same ballpark in what they'll spend.

People in NYC care way more about a good St. John's than people in Boston care about a good BC.
 
HuskyHawk said:
LOL, look at the argument you're making. If you take the CoC job and do well, maybe you can move up to...BC like Grant. Or you can just go to BC? Luke has connections in this area. I think he'll do better at BC, recruiting kids to the ACC. I suspect that Dan would agree to play him as well. BC is going to need rev share for football, and while they can't commit to much NIL, the opportunity to earn NIL in Boston is massive. Imagine what Doug Flutie would have pulled down in the NIL era.

It helps UConn if the new President and AD at BC come to realize that New England football and basketball is better when we're both good and both playing each other. The days when we had to fight over a recruit in Boston are over. The best player in eastern Mass went to BYU and it seems that the next best landed at Furman. This year the kid who dominated the Mass HS basketball tournament (for my daughter's former HS) is head to Texas, as pitcher.
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You do realize that Grant was not that successful at CoC (26-24 his last 2 years) and his hiring by BC was a complete surprise to many. Kelsey did great at CoC and he got a top P4 job with Louisville. Mack has to rebuild his career after getting fired at Louisville and USF is one of the top mid major jobs now and if he is successful at USF, he will get another P5 shot.
 
nycscooby said:
SJU was a moribund program for more than two decades, absolutely nothing going for them, one coaching failure after another. No resources, commuter school, all they had really were hone games at MSG. Hire Pitino and three years later, look at the SJU situation.

BCU is similar to me. There is tradition there, there is a fan base and there is money, lots of money. If Luke’s hire energizes the donors and the fan base and he has success, I do think BCU hoops can look very different in a very short time. Eight ACC teams made the NCAA tourney this year. Luke doesn’t have to unseat Dook or UNC, he just has to finish in the top half of the conference to get the ball rolling. It won’t be easy and I like pretty much everyone on here detests BCU but it is not a hopeless situation.
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If BC had a Mike Repole, and brought in a head coach who had a decades long track record of success, a lot of it at the highest level of college basketball, they could do something similar.

There is always a risk in any career move. The risk for Luke here is if he doesn't receive the necessary resources he may not be able to accomplish much if anything. If that happens it would be a major setback to his career.
 
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ec33 said:
There are multiple USC's and OSU's but there can only be one BCU because Bethun-Cookman has it?
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I do note see the word University anywhere when Boston College is mentioned

Home - Boston College

Boston College, the first institution of higher education to operate in the city of Boston, is today among the nation’s foremost universities, a leader in the liberal arts, scientific inquiry, and student formation.
www.bc.edu www.bc.edu
 
superjohn said:
St. John's was bad but nowhere near as bad as BC.

St. John's hired one of the greatest head coaches in college basketball history. BC would be hiring someone who has never been a college head coach before.

St. John's is spending money only a handful of programs are spending. BC won't even be in the same ballpark in what they'll spend.

People in NYC care way more about a good St. John's than people in Boston care about a good BC.
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It’s been reported that Luke wanted NIL commitment. BCU could easily afford to spend the money, the school is in far better economic shape than SJU. Far better than many P4 schools. And they have many many wealthy alums.

I am not saying that Luke is Pitino.

All I am saying is that the opportunity there is pretty good in the right hands to become “relevant”. It’s not a dead end job like many on here are predicting.

And for decades no one in NYC gave a crap about SJU hoops, trust me I live here. The point was that there was a fan base that was comatose and they awoke. I am not saying that BCU will be filling TD Garden any time soon (if ever) but Conte could be full and rocking very quickly.
 
cullaville said:
I do note see the word University anywhere when Boston College is mentioned

Home - Boston College

Boston College, the first institution of higher education to operate in the city of Boston, is today among the nation’s foremost universities, a leader in the liberal arts, scientific inquiry, and student formation.
www.bc.edu www.bc.edu
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Read the thread. It’s explained. And BCU is correct
 
From BC Interruption

If this candidate has an interest in this position i hope, for his sake, that he comes to his senses. ACC membership for bc has been a complete and utter disaster and he's going to get wacked to career irrelevance faster than you can say "bottom feeder".
Bc's sports "aspirations" border on delusion now and in the rear view mirror for as long as ive been looking. I thought logic and reasoning were pervasive in the uni culture. Im soooooo sick of the nonsense and faux participation we see. Granted the scene is evolving but we're candidates for hospice without some serious genetic intervention.
Patriot league, please!!!!!

LOL
 
cullaville said:
I do note see the word University anywhere when Boston College is mentioned

Home - Boston College

Boston College, the first institution of higher education to operate in the city of Boston, is today among the nation’s foremost universities, a leader in the liberal arts, scientific inquiry, and student formation.
www.bc.edu www.bc.edu
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When Swofford (then ACC commissioner) announced BC's addition to the ACC at the press conference he said "Boston College University". We jokingly have called them BCU because of that.
 
Mea culpa. Yes, Luke is one of 6. It was Bill's wealth that was higher than I had realized that stuck with me rather than the number of heirs. I knew Luke's share would be very substantial. Bill Murray's wealth is estimated in the $150,000,000-$200,000,000 range. As many of you may know, those numbers can be obscenely low these days due to celebrities grabbing huge early positions in things like Bitcoin and in companies that they get offered early shares in as initial investors. That's how guys like Ashton Kutcher and Ryan Reynolds are pushing billionaire status.
 
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nycscooby said:
It’s been reported that Luke wanted NIL commitment. BCU could easily afford to spend the money, the school is in far better economic shape than SJU. Far better than many P4 schools. And they have many many wealthy alums.

I am not saying that Luke is Pitino.

All I am saying is that the opportunity there is pretty good in the right hands to become “relevant”. It’s not a dead end job like many on here are predicting.

And for decades no one in NYC gave a crap about SJU hoops, trust me I live here. The point was that there was a fan base that was comatose and they awoke. I am not saying that BCU will be filling TD Garden any time soon (if ever) but Conte could be full and rocking very quickly.
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And word is BC is nowhere near fulfilling those NIL commitments. BC being easily able to afford to spend the money and them actually spending the money are two different things. Having many wealthy alumni means nothing if that wealthy alumni isn't bankrolling the program. St. John's has multiple wealthy alumni bankrolling their program led by a billionaire who is basically willing to spend whatever it takes to get the players their coach wants.

People have always cared about St. John's when they're good, I can't say the same for BC.
 
The question about how much Luke would energize the fan base and donors is a legit one. Obviously it’s not like hiring Pitino or even an established HC so if he goes there, we will have to see. But the bar is not that high.

And if he say asked BCU to commit to a $10M NIL budget, does anyone here really think BCU can’t afford that?

And yes there are Repoles among BCU alumni.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
When Swofford (then ACC commissioner) announced BC's addition to the ACC at the press conference he said "Boston College University". We jokingly have called them BCU because of that.
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Some do not read whole threads or have poor reading comprehension. BCU has been explained multiple times on this thread, and on the Yard. That introduction was the harbinger of the disrespect BCU was to endure, and continues to endure to this day. That said, if I'm Luke, I'd take the BC job if offered(assuming reasonable NIL/Rev Share).
 
Palatine said:
Jim Calhoun was offered the Northwestern job when he was Head Coach at Northeastern. He talked to his friend Booby Knight. Knight advised his against taking the job at the long time B10 laggard. The best rule of thumb is to look at each position individually and not follow rules of thumb.
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if I recall this conversation correctly, Knight essentially said "The Big Ten is a conference of institutions. I could leave Indiana and Indiana will still be good. But the big east is a conference of coaches. There the right coach can make a difference."
 
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CL82 said:
if I recall this conversation correctly, Knight essentially said "The Big Ten is a conference of institutions. I could leave Indiana and Indiana will still be good. But the big east is a conference of coaches. There the right coach can make a difference."
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Didn't he also say, "You want a job with a state name it, like the University of..."
 
superjohn said:
And word is BC is nowhere near fulfilling those NIL commitments. BC being easily able to afford to spend the money and them actually spending the money are two different things. Having many wealthy alumni means nothing if that wealthy alumni isn't bankrolling the program. St. John's has multiple wealthy alumni bankrolling their program led by a billionaire who is basically willing to spend whatever it takes to get the players their coach wants.

People have always cared about St. John's when they're good, I can't say the same for BC.
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Here is the financial issue with BC. When cost of attendance was voted on back in 2015, the vote was 79-1 with BC being the only no vote. And, they have been late to full revenue sharing. Many think the administration is not keen about paying athletes and they have been a follower and not a leader when it comes to the new environment. And, they have not developed a good NIL infrastructure as some in the administration are skeptical about how schools are doing NIL. Father Leahy, who did not seem very interested in athletics, is retiring this year and some hope Father Butler will take a different view on athletics.

My view is that private schools like BC, Syracuse, and Wake Forest are probably going to struggle in the new college sports environment as financial requirements continue to increase. Remember when people said that coaching salaries were going to decrease due to revenue sharing? They didn't go down, they continue to go up. Think about facilities. You want to remodel Gampel? The state mostly pays. You want to remodel Conte Forum? BC has to pay.
 
What BC has done the past 20 years is irrelevant in the modern era of college sports. It all comes down to their NIL commitment. If they pony up, then sure go for it and Luke can absolutely have success there. If they don’t, then don’t take the job.

Indiana is now a football powerhouse, formerly a coaches graveyard. Everything is different now. Tradition means nothing.
 
Luke is kind of in a unique position. Gotta think it's ALL basketball for him considering he's inheriting, what, 30 or 40 million when his dad dies? And the guy isn't looking like a healthy 75.
 
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