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had to be a catch for that many fans... or was it "UConn" and/or they're serious about women's basketball in Louisville
 
One, I think that they are serious about WBB in Louisville. Angel does have a statue outside the YUM after all. Two, I think it has been widely reported that Native Americans from 38 states came to see Shoni on her senior night. Great that we prevailed in an atmosphere where the home teams fans were very into the game.
 
Shoni's a big deal to Native people all over the country.

Native women have it pretty bad by and large especially those who stay on reservations. Most of them get pregnant at a very young age and end up single mothers. They suffer a lot of abuse from their spouses and either or both of them have drug and alcohol problems. It's the way it is.

These two girls have managed to capture the Native American imagination across the country because they're rising above all that. You don't see any or many Native men doing the same thing.
 
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Striper69 said:
Shoni's a big deal to Native people all over the country.

Native women have it pretty bad by and large especially those who stay on reservations. Most of them get pregnant at a very young age and end up single mothers. They suffer a lot of abuse from their spouses and either or both of them have drug and alcohol problems. It's the way it is.

These two girls have managed to capture the Native American imagination across the country because they're rising above all that. You don't see any or many Native men doing the same thing.
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There is a post game by Jeff on another thread and he talks about Shoni and Jude going on a tour of reservations over the last summer and how some venues had large Native turnouts during this season. He mentioned Oklahoma and Memphis in particular.
 
ChicagoGG said:
One, I think that they are serious about WBB in Louisville. Angel does have a statue outside the YUM after all. Two, I think it has been widely reported that Native Americans from 38 states came to see Shoni on her senior night. Great that we prevailed in an atmosphere where the home teams fans were very into the game.
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And of course senior night with four seniors. Helped also that Louisville had a chance to tie for the AAC crown and that the opponent was undefeated and #1 in the land. It is nice that this was not a free beer night or a free race horse night, but rather all about the basketball, the teams involved and the players. Not sure if the 'Native American Appreciation' theme had any discounting involved but I think not - just a public thank you to the tribes that have turned out both in Louisville and everywhere else Louisville has played this year. The were native americans performing I gather before the game and during the time-outs - would have been nice if ESPN had shown a few clips during the halftime telecast.
Shonni and Jude also spent a lot of the summer doing speaking tours around the country at the various reservations - very impressive. And I liked the fact that Jeff had the whole team signing autographs until the last fans left after the game.
Louisville under Jeff has done a great job building fan support for the women's program - they have been at or near the top every year in attendance numbers and I can't think of another regular season game beyond a TN/Uconn revival that would likely bring in that many people without some serious gimmick marketing. (there aren't that many home venues that have that capacity either.)
 
Striper69 said:
Shoni's a big deal to Native people all over the country.

Native women have it pretty bad by and large especially those who stay on reservations. Most of them get pregnant at a very young age and end up single mothers. They suffer a lot of abuse from their spouses and either or both of them have drug and alcohol problems. It's the way it is.

These two girls have managed to capture the Native American imagination across the country because they're rising above all that. You don't see any or many Native men doing the same thing.
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Surely you have some reliable documentation to verify your revelations about typical (or is it stereotypical?) behavioral patterns of young Native-American women and men.
 
Kibitzer said:
Surely you have some reliable documentation to verify your revelations about typical (or is it stereotypical?) behavioral patterns of young Native-American women and men.
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Good Question...
 
Kibitzer said:
Surely you have some reliable documentation to verify your revelations about typical (or is it stereotypical?) behavioral patterns of young Native-American women and men.
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I've been around it my entire life. I am a "Native American". Been to reservations a lot but would not want to live on one. No jobs, a lot of alcohol addiction etc etc.

Go to one and spend a week or two on one if you don't believe me.


The very concept of a "reservation" is unique to the U.S.

Americans still refer to Native people of the U.S. as "Indians" which is ignorant as...

We're not from India.
 
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Striper69 said:
I've been around it my entire life. I am a "Native American". Been to reservations a lot but would not want to live on one. No jobs, a lot of alcohol addiction etc etc.

Go to one and spend a week or two on one if you don't believe me. YOU ARE ASSUMING PEOPLE HAVEN'T


The very concept of a "reservation" is unique to the U.S.

SOME Americans still refer to Native people of the U.S. as "Indians" which is ignorant as...

We're not from India.
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Seems to me that someone who is Native American and represents that they have spent a lot of time in/on reservations is perfectly entitled to make general comments with reasonable qualifiers like "by and large" and "most," particularly as these comments were not made as any kind of snarky rejoinder.

If you are implying that Kib is also Native American, or has spent a lot of time on reservations, why don't you offer that info? I honestly don't know the answer to that. If he is, and if he has spent time on reservations, he can offer that in due time and the two posters can compare notes in this thread if they choose. Otherwise, you were not on that reply, Kib was. There is nothing in Striper's post that implies any "assumption" about anyone else's experiences/knowledge of life on reservations.

RE: "Indians" you raise a good point as a lot more people use the term Native American today than in the past.

Not sure why this isn't showing up (on my screen at least) as a reply to Icebear. When I click on "edit" I see the HTML code is there to quote Ice's post.
 
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Striper69 said:
I've been around it my entire life. I am a "Native American". Been to reservations a lot but would not want to live on one. No jobs, a lot of alcohol addiction etc etc.

Go to one and spend a week or two on one if you don't believe me.


The very concept of a "reservation" is unique to the U.S.

Americans still refer to Native people of the U.S. as "Indians" which is ignorant as...

We're not from India.
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Apparently we use that term because when Columbus landed here he thought he was in India. Major navigational error.
At least that's what I've read.
 
VAMike23 said:
Seems to me that someone who is Native American and represents that they have spent a lot of time in/on reservations is perfectly entitled to make general comments with reasonable qualifiers like "by and large" and "most," particularly as these comments were not made as any kind of snarky rejoinder.

If you are implying that Kib is also Native American, or has spent a lot of time on reservations, why don't you offer that info? I honestly don't know the answer to that. If he is, and if he has spent time on reservations, he can offer that in due time and the two posters can compare notes in this thread if they choose. Otherwise, you were not on that reply, Kib was. There is nothing in Striper's post that implies any "assumption" about anyone else's experiences/knowledge of life on reservations.

RE: "Indians" you raise a good point as a lot more people use the term Native American today than in the past.
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It was the qualifier that I added for the reason you suggest. I, too, have Native American background on my mother's side. It is never safe to make assumptions without alliance's. I have been to a number of "reservations" although I prefer the term " native lands" or "tribal lands."

In my experience most people today do use the term Native American which is why I chose SOME rather than MOST. Personally, I like the Canadian Term " First Nation." There is nothing "American" about aboriginal peoples since "American" is not a native term but is rather European.
 
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Striper69 said:
I've been around it my entire life. I am a "Native American". Been to reservations a lot but would not want to live on one. No jobs, a lot of alcohol addiction etc etc.

Go to one and spend a week or two on one if you don't believe me.


The very concept of a "reservation" is unique to the U.S.

Americans still refer to Native people of the U.S. as "Indians" which is ignorant as...

We're not from India.
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I am too lazy to look for it, but there have been academic/scientific studies done dealing with social issues on reservations that do support your personal experiences. I am not sure how conditions have changed with the large influx of casino money over the last couple of decades, but I suspect as with other areas where casinos are legal, the advertised benefits to the societies during the legalization fight have seldom been really successfully translated to the lower ends of those societies.
There are also some genetic issues within different races that relate to metabolism and body chemistries as well as susceptibility to various diseases that are very real - biologically we are not all created equally within races nor across races. Personally I have a hereditary propensity toward diabetes (type II) that duly arrived 10 years ago thanks to my mother's family genetics. And that happens to be a variant that males are much more susceptible to than females.
 
Kibitzer said:
Surely you have some reliable documentation to verify your revelations about typical (or is it stereotypical?) behavioral patterns of young Native-American women and men.
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Between my wife and myself, we have worked as volunteers with 8 different Native American tribes in 7 different states. Sad to say, pretty accurate and universal descriptions based on our experiences.
 
UcMiami said:
I am too lazy to look for it, but there have been academic/scientific studies done dealing with social issues on reservations that do support your personal experiences. I am not sure how conditions have changed with the large influx of casino money over the last couple of decades, but I suspect as with other areas where casinos are legal, the advertised benefits to the societies during the legalization fight have seldom been really successfully translated to the lower ends of those societies.
There are also some genetic issues within different races that relate to metabolism and body chemistries as well as susceptibility to various diseases that are very real - biologically we are not all created equally within races nor across races. Personally I have a hereditary propensity toward diabetes (type II) that duly arrived 10 years ago thanks to my mother's family genetics. And that happens to be a variant that males are much more susceptible to than females.
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It's also sad that the so-called "Indian casinos" have not really benefited all Native Tribes as people may think. My own "tribe" the Omaha Nation started one up in the '90s and they had good intentions. They really thought the idea was going somewhere. I worked at it for about a year and lived on the reservation for a few months.
There's nothing to do on the reservation. There was trash all over the place and few paved roads. Only a couple of stores. The nearest city was over 30 miles away where you could shop, go see a movie or go out to eat.
I may move back to the area when I retire and buy a ranch or home out in the country. I like to hunt and fish and would drive to a city if i wanted to do city things again.
The people who ran the casino for the tribe swindled them out of money (big surprise, right?) and it closed but may be open again for all I know. I got some money from the tribe when it first started out but haven't benefited at all from it since I quit working there and got a job back east working with the military.
The Mohegan Sun and Mohegan tribe and the tribe that runs the other casino in CT. seem to have done very well but they're the exception from what I've seen. Most of the Native people who were living back east in the frontier days got slaughtered or if they were lucky assimilated into white society one way or another. History books won't really go into detail about that though.
 
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