Looks like someone thinks they'll be playing for UConn next year...

[jleves]

How about with a male? Is there a situation where it's okay to land the first shove/punch/hit against a male?

BTW - I consider thieving to be far worse than shoving a girl. We let two admitted thieves stay on the team, and I don't recall many fans complaining too loudly about that. Those two were involved in knowingly stealing personal computers from other UConn students and then attempting to fence the computers to pocket the money.
I'd much rather be friends with a guy who got drunk and shoved his girlfriend in a fit of passion than a guy who would, in full command of his faculties, steal.

Arrrg

I hate it when fans from other schools come and spew this nonsense, but it really irks me when UConn fans can't get this right and don't understand the difference.

They didn't steal anything. They tried to help sell stolen stuff. It's a huge difference to break in and decide to steal things and going along with helping to get rid of stolen stuff. Both are wrong - one is a planned intentional act and one is a reactionary act.

 

[Perspective]

They didn't steal anything. They tried to help sell stolen stuff. It's a huge difference . . .

No it's not. The stealing is the stealing. It's not breaking and entering or burglary or robbery. It's larceny.
Larceny. Receiving stolen property.
I consider them to involve the same lack of character.

But I supported giving them a second chance, despite the tremendous character deficiency their deeds suggested.
A drunken shove by an emotional young man at 5 a.m. after god only knows what transpired between him and his woman is so far down on the ladder compared to thieving, in my book, it's laughable.

Truthfully, it's fairly pathetic how many here are hungry to make an "example" out of Wolf because he's a 2 ppg player.

I remember when that scum bag Miles was on campus and violated a protective order 20 minutes after a Judge issued it. The protective order was in place because a woman accused Miles of, essentially, attempted rape. Substantially more severe that shoving a girlfriend.

Most of this board supported him and tried to argue that he wasn't getting a fair shake, and la de da de dah.

AJ Price, Marcus Williams, Miles - game changers who were defended.

Wolf? Meh. He "touched a woman." Oh my! Chivalry is dead! Throw him to the wolves.

Hypocritical .

 

[Jerry1714]

No it's not. The stealing is the stealing. It's not breaking and entering or burglary or robbery. It's larceny.
Larceny. Receiving stolen property.
I consider them to involve the same lack of character.

But I supported giving them a second chance, despite the tremendous character deficiency their deeds suggested.
A drunken shove by an emotional young man at 5 a.m. after god only knows what transpired between him and his woman is so far down on the ladder compared to thieving, in my book, it's laughable.

Just stop. You are an embarrassment

 

[gtcam]

How about with a male? Is there a situation where it's okay to land the first shove/punch/hit against a male?

BTW - I consider thieving to be far worse than shoving a girl. We let two admitted thieves stay on the team, and I don't recall many fans complaining too loudly about that. Those two were involved in knowingly stealing personal computers from other UConn students and then attempting to fence the computers to pocket the money.
I'd much rather be friends with a guy who got drunk and shoved his girlfriend in a fit of passion than a guy who would, in full command of his faculties, steal.

I AGRRE ABOUT WILLIAMS/PRICE INCIDENT - the outrage was due to the fact of who they were-starters/potential stars
If he punched the girl - no way do I condone or want him back
If he shoved-different story
Speculation is the female was as testy and obnoxious also-who says she didnt shove and EW shoved back?

 

[gtcam]

Just stop. You are an embarrassment

Did you give Williams and Price a free pass Jerry?

 

[BoatShow]

The guy who likes to call people as on message boards really needs to stop making excuses for aggressively putting hands on women.

 

[gtcam]

Arrrg

I hate it when fans from other schools come and spew this nonsense, but it really irks me when UConn fans can't get this right and don't understand the difference.

They didn't steal anything. They tried to help sell stolen stuff. It's a huge difference to break in and decide to steal things and going along with helping to get rid of stolen stuff. Both are wrong - one is a planned intentional act and one is a reactionary act.

OK - so Williams/Price knew well ahead of time what they were going to do was against the law. I reallt doubt EW went into the siuation with a preplanned notion that he was going to physically harm a female.
True, they MAY have not committed the larceny (there is still doubt due to rumors) but they knew the larceny was committed and were abetting the crime and profiting.
Shoving (not punching - that is different) someone in an emotional state is far less severe - be it male or female
I don't care if EW comes back or not - but I am not one here to put his feet to the fire when I myself prayed that Williams/Price would return
THAT WOULD BE STUPID

 

[gtcam]

The guy who likes to call people as on message boards really needs to stop making excuses for aggressively putting hands on women.

name calling is ridiculous just as using action words as "agressive" when you were not ther to witness - I don't care what reports say - overpaid sate employed rentacops exaggerate too

 

[BoatShow]

name calling is ridiculous just as using action words as "agressive" when you were not ther to witness - I don't care what reports say - overpaid sate employed rentacops exaggerate too

I was talking about Perspective. Aggressive is an action word though? Like a verb?

 

[jleves]

OK - so Williams/Price knew well ahead of time what they were going to do was against the law. I reallt doubt EW went into the siuation with a preplanned notion that he was going to physically harm a female.
True, they MAY have not committed the larceny (there is still doubt due to rumors) but they knew the larceny was committed and were abetting the crime and profiting.
Shoving (not punching - that is different) someone in an emotional state is far less severe - be it male or female
I don't care if EW comes back or not - but I am not one here to put his feet to the fire when I myself prayed that Williams/Price would return
THAT WOULD BE STUPID

I'm in no way excusing Williams and Price - they were clearly wrong and deserved to suffer the consequences. I was just making the point that it bothers me when UConn fans get it wrong in terms of what they actually did. Not agreeing on which is worse is mostly a matter of opinion, but in my mind, they committed a much less serious crime than stealing. Still stupid and still need to be accountable.

As for Wolf, I'll wait before I pass any judgement.

 

[Jerry1714]

Did you give Williams and Price a free pass Jerry?

No I woulda kicked both off the team. For good.

I also put hitting a women as worse then stealing a laptop. So that tells where I stand on wolf.

 

[gtcam]

I was talking about Perspective. Aggressive is an action word though? Like a verb?

nevermind -you went past the point - grammer lessons not needed - I know you were addressing Perspective
his argument, no matter how he makes it has merit based on compaeatives

 

[gtcam]

No I woulda kicked both off the team. For good.

I also put hitting a women as worse then stealing a laptop. So that tells where I stand on wolf.

HITTING YES I AGREE
Did he hit? we don't know

 

[BoatShow]

nevermind -you went past the point - grammer lessons not needed - I know you were addressing Perspective
his argument, no matter how he makes it has merit based on compaeatives

You sure they're not needed? I have no idea what that last word is.

 

[Jerry1714]

HITTING YES I AGREE
Did he hit? we don't know

Exactly, if he didn't hit or throw her to the ground the we can talk. If he did either of those I hope he is gone

 

[UChusky916]

No one here knows the real facts about what happened. So arguing about WHAT IFS is really just stupid and a waste of time.

Let the legal process play out and I'm sure the university will make the right decision.

I would welcome Wolf back if the university determined its acceptable for him to return.

 

[ctchamps]

Source?
My understanding is that the GF asked him to leave and he wouldn't. That makes it a criminal trespass. The cops wouldn't "ask" him to leave, in any case. She'd say, "he hit me" and the cuffs would be on before you could say, "farfehgnuggen."

I want him back regardless of what happened. We're not running a sissy factory here, and at the end of the day, if the GF has forgiven him, who are you not to?

???? So I'm on your target list because of the SC statement?

I said in the post you are quoting that the only guilt we know for sure is criminal trespass. If the other charges get dropped I want him back. And they get dropped only if the girlfriend retracts her accusation, that is forgives EW.

If not the program doesn't need the negativity of taking back EW particularly when CR is in a state of flux. This is a deviation from how I normally approach these matters. Normally I'm for giving second chances. But the situation regarding UConn's future in sports is precarious. And sports has an impact on the academic side for UConn! Too much is at stake!

And who are you to ask me who am I. Although we're both *ssholes you're obviously a bigger one only because your sanctimonious attitude tells me you are this way because your head is stuck up your rectum! Just for the uninformed, I have been taken to task by Perspective in a different post and this is a carryover. Perspective, any of us can be tough if push comes to shove! I'm no different. I'll defend my position unless it becomes indefensible. My opinions are not my alter egos. They are only a snapshot of events. I'm flexible. But when someone such as yourself chooses to engage me, I have no problem defending myself.

Edit: I didn't realize Perspective had already shown his true colors to others before writing this. I thought it was a one on one! My opinion of Perspective still stands however!

 

[Perspective]

And who are you to ask me who am I.

Who are you to ask me who I am to ask you who you are?

 

[ctchamps]

Who are you to ask me who I am to ask you who you are?

I'm not with you, I'm 'kn greatest f in the world. So f off! That's who!

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Worse than you think.
I want him back whatever she thinks.
Guy was drunk and passionate and shoved her. Meh. I could care less. It's the wee-wee metrosexual, PC, pussified world we live in where this gets turned into the guy is a serial abuser.

If he punched some dude in a bar fight and broke his eye socket, he'd get more support than he is getting for shoving his girl.

Why is that? Some archaic notion that shoving a woman is somehow worse than aggravated assault on a man? Silly. Sexist. Needs to be buried.

The assessment should always be gender independent. What were the sizes/strengths of the two parties? How much force was used? What damage was done?

He shoved her and her glasses fell off. Please. Call me when he actually "hits" somebody and leaves a mark.

I merely pointed out that, if she has no issue with it, why should anybody else? Are you implying that she is too stupid or weak to properly assess what happened?

Frank Ivy everybody, fantasy world, Internet toughguy extraordinaire.

 

[UCDaveD]

Frank Ivy for President!

 

[Yonick]

Is this progressive cat really a UConn fan, or is he some outside troll. Newcomer with relaytively few posts. Hell there are pee cee folk with far more posts than he.

 

[Dogbreath2U]

Frank Ivy everybody, fantasy world, Internet toughguy extraordinaire.

Yes, that seems likely. Good call.

 

[gtcam]

You sure they're not needed? I have no idea what that last word is.

compaRatives

 

[BoatShow]

I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE when people use being drunk as an excuse for doing dumb . I've done plenty of dumb stuff when I'm drinking (see: half my posts here) but I've never used that as an excuse. I opened the bottle, I drank it, I did the act, it's my fault. I have an ex who did it all the time. Maybe I should have shoved her. It'd be justifiable because she was being obnoxious right?