Looks Like ACC CCG Dergulation WIll Pass

[Seaa Blue]

Can the BeeOneGee risk the ACC in D'Oh?

Notre Dame already scoops up the best Cincinnati talent from the Catholic high schools, and with Kentucky and Nebraska recruiting Ohio more so in the last couple years I'm not sure that Cincinnati to the ACC would have that much additional impact.

 

[btstimpy]

I don't think it helps or hurts.

I just think the ACC wants to avoid sending Duke to their championship game again.

There was a lot of anxiety with that, as well as stiff arming the Chick Fil A Bowl to take Duke. They didn't want Duke at all. But Duke fans did end up supporting those games, and while the Championship Game was a blow out against FSU, Duke did take Johnny Manziel and Texas A&M to the brink of defeat in Atlanta, and that game was one of the highest rated Chick Fil A bowls. Sometimes these things will surprise.

 

[TerryD]

Agree. The ACC CG will be some combo of FSU/Clemson/VT/GT/Miami/ND every year and the only possible way for another school to get into the ACC CG will be to run the table. The ACC would probably even rig their own system so that a 2 or 3 loss FSU/ND got in over a 1 loss BC or Cuse.

ND is ineligible to play in the ACC CG.

 

[TerryD]

I don't think it helps or hurts.

I just think the ACC wants to avoid sending Duke to their championship game again.

I am not certain that the ACC will see the "wisdom" of adding UConn to fight the Big Ten for the elusive (and perhaps non-existent) "control" of NYC.

Can UConn add about $22 million for themselves and extra revenue for everyone else as far as the ESPN TV contract?

Maybe, just maybe it will be enough to break even with UConn's addition just to stick a finger in Jim Delany's eye, I don't know.

Can UConn generate enough revenue for the ACC to pay for itself and add some money to each other member's share?

That would mean, what, maybe $22 million for its own share plus a million or two for the other 15 members?

Isn't that really the main issue here? I don't know the answer but to overcome all of the other issues (BC, Syracuse, FSU, Clemson, et al), doesn't UConn have to bring lots of revenue to the table?

 

[Husky25]

I don't think it helps or hurts.

I just think the ACC wants to avoid sending Duke to their championship game again.

That alone precludes me from wanting UConn to join the ACC. If that is their attitude on Duke football, what do you think their attitude any other upstart program...say...for example...oh, I don't know...UConn?

Get on your horse, Mr. Delany!!!!!

 

[specialisthusky]

I am not certain that the ACC will see the "wisdom" of adding UConn to fight the Big Ten for the elusive (and perhaps non-existent) "control" of NYC.

Can UConn add about $22 million for themselves and extra revenue for everyone else as far as the ESPN TV contract?

Maybe, just maybe it will be enough to break even with UConn's addition just to stick a finger in Jim Delany's eye, I don't know.

Can UConn generate enough revenue for the ACC to pay for itself and add some money to each other member's share?

That would mean, what, maybe $22 million for its own share plus a million or two for the other 15 members?

Isn't that really the main issue here? I don't know the answer but to overcome all of the other issues (BC, Syracuse, FSU, Clemson, et al), doesn't UConn have to bring lots of revenue to the table?

Uconn brings enough revenue for espn to suggest us to the Acc in the first place. Can't imagine the school with the highest img contract of the old big east isn't valuable enough to break even.

The only way to overcome fsu and Clemson issues is to win. The only way to overcome BC and syracuse its to die.

I prefer winning.

 

[Dooley]

Agree completely. This is an interesting quote. One scenario that jumped out at me with the B1G is the potential for three 5 team pods. They could also provide each school an annual rivalry game to go along with it (OSU Michigan). My pods:

UMD, RU, UConn, PSU, OSU
Michigan, MSU, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois
Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern

Those are pretty balanced, and have great regional alignment.

This is actually the best 3 pod hypothetical B1G I've seen. Very balanced football. For basketball, you obviously wouldn't need the pods but maybe you set it up as everybody plays once and then you play everyone from your football pod twice (home and away) and then rotate the rest to have home and away every other few years for the rest of the conference. This can be done.

 

[Husky25]

The more compelling reason is to make sure that the two best teams play in the ACCG game. More specifically, to prevent what happened last year where Florida State played Duke in the ACCG game - simply because Duke was the winner of the comparatively weaker Coastal Division last year; all the while a Top 10 team - Clemson - missed the CG simply because they were in the same Division as Florida State. The goal is to ensure that as many teams as possible have the opportunity to qualify for the new bowl championship structure. Some reports have said that one of the criteria being considered is having the two teams with the highest poll ranking play in the CG. If that were in place last year, Florida Sate would have played Clemson.

Selecting a brand-name 3-loss team for the ACCG over a more successful, higher ranked team that year is counterproductive to the Conference's goal of ensuring that more than 1 team gets into the new playing structure since if that 3-loss team suffered a 4th loss in the ACCG, they aren't going to one of the new bowls, where as a more successful, higher ranked team that year might.

So you support manipulation of results? The ACC was able to set up its divisions any way it saw fit. Them putting Clemson and FSU in the same division kinda demonstrates the ACC's shortsightedness throughout the realignment process, no?

 

[billybud]

Clemson wasn't always a good team....you could have put Miami and FSU in the same division....but schools think that they need to have a presence in Florida for recruiting...and thought that having the two Florida schools in the same division to be unfair.

Clemson is a day trip away from FSU...would it make more sense to substitute one of FSU's closest opponents for another one farther north?

The ACC has already done that with FSU playing Syracuse instead of Georgia Tech...

 

[Husky25]

Clemson wasn't always a good team....you could have put Miami and FSU in the same division....but schools think that they need to have a presence in Florida for recruiting...and thought that having the two Florida schools in the same division to be unfair.

Clemson is a day trip away from FSU...would it make more sense to substitute one of FSU's closest opponents for another one farther north?

The ACC has already done that with FSU playing Syracuse instead of Georgia Tech...

That's not exactly true. The last coach with a losing overall record at Clemson is Red Parker (73-76) and they've only missed 4 of the last 29 bowl seasons (92, 94, 98, 04).

If the ACC has 4 perennial powers (FSU, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Miami) then they need to separate them, 2 and 2...which they are. Duke won a division. They should absolutely be rewarded for it.

 

[billybud]

That's not exactly true. The last coach with a losing overall record at Clemson is Red Parker (73-76) and they've only missed 4 of the last 29 bowl seasons (92, 94, 98, 04).

If the ACC has 4 perennial powers (FSU, Clemson, Virginia Tech, and Miami) then they need to separate them, 2 and 2...which they are. Duke won a division. They should absolutely be rewarded for it.

"Haven't always been good" is based on your vantage point.

Thinking of my school days...Clemson was going below .500 in 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 75, 76...by FSU's entrance to the ACC, Clemson was decent...but not good.

 

[Husky25]

Who led the vote for Louisville and why? Nothing, more or less, prior to the BCS or preceding forms of post season (I.e. Bowl Coalition, whathaveyou) has any real effect on the current big money college football environment.

 

[babysheep]

Well, there will be a renogotiation of the B1G contract in 2016/2017, so they may want to try to lock in the Northeast before that.

And it'll be perfect timing; KO and co will just be coming off NC #5 in 2016.

 

[HuskyPete]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...n-play-influential-role-as-playoff-era-begins

Good or bad for UConn?

I like the comments at the end...You can feel the ACC love.

Aside from that, can put lipstick on it all you want, the ACC was, is, and always will be, a non-player nationally when it comes to "power" at the top of college sports. Virginia? If you take away the ACC TV Contract and other subsidized revenue, they still had $55 M in revenue in 2012. Cincinnati and Boise St had around $32 M each. I would put Duke in the UConn category based on Basketball. UConn was close to $45 M in non subsidized money.

The fact is, when the top 20-30 programs who actually are making money ditch the rest of the freeloaders who without TV money have little difference from East Carolina or New Mexico, the majority of ACC schools (Wake Forest, Duke, Boston College, etc.) will have no prayer of hanging on.

 

[NEforceUConn]

I am not certain that the ACC will see the "wisdom" of adding UConn to fight the Big Ten for the elusive (and perhaps non-existent) "control" of NYC.

Can UConn add about $22 million for themselves and extra revenue for everyone else as far as the ESPN TV contract?

Maybe, just maybe it will be enough to break even with UConn's addition just to stick a finger in Jim Delany's eye, I don't know.

Can UConn generate enough revenue for the ACC to pay for itself and add some money to each other member's share?

That would mean, what, maybe $22 million for its own share plus a million or two for the other 15 members?

Isn't that really the main issue here? I don't know the answer but to overcome all of the other issues (BC, Syracuse, FSU, Clemson, et al), doesn't UConn have to bring lots of revenue to the table?

The above post just shows me how much I hate the ACC and ND. Like Pitt and Cuse added value to other ACC members due to their own unique characteristics. The ACC could have added Temple and Marshall and ESPN would have renegotiated the contract.

UConn to the B1G immediately devalues the ACC's northern tier schools, and marginalizes any future ACC NYC BB dreams.

I may be half baked but I think a BIG 12 expansion naming UConn, Cincy, USF and UCF would rock. It would give UConn access to Florida fb recruiting grounds, and place us in a very competitive bb conference.

 

[Fishy]

I am not certain that the ACC will see the "wisdom" of adding UConn to fight the Big Ten for the elusive (and perhaps non-existent) "control" of NYC.

Can UConn add about $22 million for themselves and extra revenue for everyone else as far as the ESPN TV contract?

That would mean, what, maybe $22 million for its own share plus a million or two for the other 15 members?

Isn't that really the main issue here? I don't know the answer but to overcome all of the other issues (BC, Syracuse, FSU, Clemson, et al), doesn't UConn have to bring lots of revenue to the table?

Calling a spade a spade, the ACC hasn't added a team worth "$22 million plus a million or two for the other 15 members" yet. Not Syracuse, not UL, not Pitt and certainly not some fractionated portion of the Notre Dame athletic program.

If you think they have, you're either drunk, stupid, bad at math or a passive-aggressive from Virginia.

We've seen the ESPN/Big East money redistributed and the ACC doesn't have a network of it's own - there is zero incentive for ESPN to pay more for UConn sports when it already has those rights for a screaming bargain price.

 

[Marty Jackson]

The more compelling reason is to make sure that the two best teams play in the ACCG game. More specifically, to prevent what happened last year where Florida State played Duke in the ACCG game - simply because Duke was the winner of the comparatively weaker Coastal Division last year; all the while a Top 10 team - Clemson - missed the CG simply because they were in the same Division as Florida State. The goal is to ensure that as many teams as possible have the opportunity to qualify for the new bowl championship structure. Some reports have said that one of the criteria being considered is having the two teams with the highest poll ranking play in the CG. If that were in place last year, Florida Sate would have played Clemson.

Selecting a brand-name 3-loss team for the ACCG over a more successful, higher ranked team that year is counterproductive to the Conference's goal of ensuring that more than 1 team gets into the new playing structure since if that 3-loss team suffered a 4th loss in the ACCG, they aren't going to one of the new bowls, where as a more successful, higher ranked team that year might.

what is the accg game?

 

[CTMike]

I am not certain that the ACC will see the "wisdom" of adding UConn to fight the Big Ten for the elusive (and perhaps non-existent) "control" of NYC.

Can UConn add about $22 million for themselves and extra revenue for everyone else as far as the ESPN TV contract?

Maybe, just maybe it will be enough to break even with UConn's addition just to stick a finger in Jim Delany's eye, I don't know.

Can UConn generate enough revenue for the ACC to pay for itself and add some money to each other member's share?

That would mean, what, maybe $22 million for its own share plus a million or two for the other 15 members?

Isn't that really the main issue here? I don't know the answer but to overcome all of the other issues (BC, Syracuse, FSU, Clemson, et al), doesn't UConn have to bring lots of revenue to the table?

TV value is one measure, but even then it depends how you define it.

UConn, in and of itself, offers TV value in excess of what our current ESPN contract brings. Simpletons like okielite are too dense to see that and the factors the led us to be trapped in this contract. He probably doesn't buy stocks low and sell them high either because he thinks they worth whatever yahoo tells him they are that day, but I digress. UConn has measurable TV value, as seen by our deal with SNY at the very least. The Hartford, New Haven, Springfield, and Fairfield County (NYC) markets have collective value. Being one of the most popular teams in NYC metro has value.

There is also value in other B1G/ACC teams playing in and being televised in those markets - ie, UConn is not value added in a vacuum. Becoming the predominant conference in this area would carry weight, and would be detrimental to the other conference.

Additional inventory - quality, off football season inventory - is another value add for aspiring conference networks. I know "football drives the bus" but networks still have to operate year round.

Lastly, I think we showed over the last month that we add value by winning championships. The AAC literally could not have bought better publicity during these dual title runs (you're welcome). We're not there yet in football (and national championship wise, we don't have to be) but we can return to consistent bowl games and I'm sure as hell not going to bet against Diaco to reach higher if he was operating on the same playing field as the B1G or ACC.

 

[billybud]

I wish BC, Cuse, and UConn would all go to the B1G....the ACC would automatically concede the NE...never made much sense anyway.

 

[noeynox]

Calling a spade a spade, the ACC hasn't added a team worth "$22 million plus a million or two for the other 15 members" yet. Not Syracuse, not UL, not Pitt and certainly not some fractionated portion of the Notre Dame athletic program.

If you think they have, you're either drunk, stupid, bad at math or a passive-aggressive from Virginia.

We've seen the ESPN/Big East money redistributed and the ACC doesn't have a network of it's own - there is zero incentive for ESPN to pay more for UConn sports when it already has those rights for a screaming bargain price.

This is why I think UConn has to to try and squeeze into the Big12, even to just create the threat of moving all of our content to fox/FS1. There is no incentive to pay UConn more on the part of ESPN, unless there was a real threat to leave for Fox/a Fox league.

 

[Fishy]

An added complication there is that deregulating conference championship games might mean the Big 12 never expands. Brigham Young fans seem to think that their one chance to get into that conference hinges on whether the proposal passes or not.

 

[upstater]

An added complication there is that deregulating conference championship games might mean the Big 12 never expands. Brigham Young fans seem to think that their one chance to get into that conference hinges on whether the proposal passes or not.

I still think the 12 team rule might be in place. This is a question of odd teams over and above 12 teams. At least that's my interpretation.

 

[specialisthusky]

An added complication there is that deregulating conference championship games might mean the Big 12 never expands. Brigham Young fans seem to think that their one chance to get into that conference hinges on whether the proposal passes or not.

Do you think this has any affect on the previously rejected proposal from the big twelve to have a ccg with ten members?

Actually was that even real or a figment of the dude's imagination?

 

[B1GALUM]

Do you think this has any affect on the previously rejected proposal from the big twelve to have a ccg with ten members?

Actually was that even real or a figment of the dude's imagination?

I still think the 12 team rule might be in place. This is a question of odd teams over and above 12 teams. At least that's my interpretation.

The Big 12 does support and collaborated with the ACC on the legislation. My understanding is that the deregulation would allow the Big 12 to sponsor a CCG with just their 10 teams.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...nship-games-would-change-postseason-structure

ESPN.com first reported last month the league's intent to forward such legislation that would give the ACC "flexibility" in who plays in its conference title game. The legislation was submitted in collaboration with the Big 12, Bowlsby said Friday night.

It is known that the 10-team Big 12 would prefer deregulation if it ever decided to play a championship game with its current 10-team alignment.

"You wouldn't any longer have to have 12 (teams)," Bowlsby said. "You wouldn't any longer have to play a full round-robin in your subdivision. That would actually afford us the opportunity to have a playoff between two selected teams by whatever process we would want to select. "I doubt we're going to do that but we would likely have the prerogative."

 

[tzznandrew]

Do you think this has any affect on the previously rejected proposal from the big twelve to have a ccg with ten members?

Actually was that even real or a figment of the dude's imagination?

It seems to me they are unrelated.

 

[upstater]

Replacing the B1G schools on the schedule is a sacrifice. The buzz in the midwest when the B1G schools take on ND is huge. ND vs. Virginia doesn't move the needle. But ND has to do it. They need to stay independent as long as possible. But at the end of the day... B1G!

 

[MSNDfan]

Replacing the B1G schools on the schedule is a sacrifice. The buzz in the midwest when the B1G schools take on ND is huge. ND vs. Virginia doesn't move the needle. But ND has to do it. They need to stay independent as long as possible. But at the end of the day... B1G!

How many times have we played Virginia for you have an idea how the game pushes the needle?

We are not joining the BeeOneGee. At any time in any way.

 

[Ldandy]

And there is also the Cincinnati gamble. That one also addresses both conferences. The Bearcats are of no value to the BUG, and former OSU President Gee has been honest that half of the Big 2 certainly gains from Cincinnati being cut out. But the ACC could gain from having the Bearcats, perhaps most by hitting right that the heart of the BeeOneGee.

Historically, OH has been the most important state for the BeeOneGee in both football and basketball, especially football. The middle of the conference is as good as it is only because its 2nd and 3rd tier programs count on landing a bunch of 3 star OH talent. BeeOneGee football cannot afford to have even a minority of OH's 3 star recruits begin to see another power conference as a good landing place.

ACC sports will soon be all over OH in recruiting. Pitt to the east, ND to the west, and Louisville to the south all border OH. Now, ACC schools can recruit OH players and say their conference is local. Get Cincinnati in the ACC, and that pitch will be made easily.

Can the BeeOneGee risk the ACC in D'Oh?

Hold on a sec. Bwahahahaha!

 

[upstater]

How many times have we played Virginia for you have an idea how the game pushes the needle?

We are not joining the BeeOneGee. At any time in any way.

That's precisely the point. Very little history with these South Atlantics.

 

[Ldandy]

I don't think it helps or hurts.

I just think the ACC wants to avoid sending Duke to their championship game again.

100% This

They do not want the possibility of a 7-5 BC Team knocking off 11-1 Clemson or FSU in a title game keeping the conference out of the playoff. They want whomever the top 2 teams are to face off so that the winner still has a shot.