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I've read this article and a number of others including this one:
http://articles.courant.com/2005-03-13/sports/0503130158_1_stringer-cappie-pondexter-geno-auriemma
None of which corroborates your race card claim.

You know for a fact that Coach Stringer never apologized? You do not give any credence to the possibility of Coach Stringer standing up for her player?

Of course I give it credence. Cappy touched Geno in an unfriendly way. She coud have been severely disciplined. She had to distract from what Cappy had done. So CVS, ever the careful race baiter, immediately attacked Geno with no facts. Classless. Failure to apologize: gutless. And, listen, your complaining about the way CVS is perceived here and picking at it is only bringing it back up to those of us all too happy to have it far in the rear view mirror.

By the way, the article you sight involves Stringer ignoring the Commissioner's office directive that there was to be no more comment of his finding. She gets back out there beating her player's drum and still claiming some justification for her actions.
 
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It wasn't Cappy he was yelling at it was the ol trash talker herself Matee Anjavon. Ann Strother was about to take 2 foul shots when Matee yelled something very personal at Ann. Geno got very upset and I don't blame him. Cappy thought it was her he was yelling at ( although I think Cappy poking Geno in the chest should have been a technical). Yes I know what Matee said.

Sorry but CVS did play the racial card.

No, it was Charde Houston who was about to take the free throws.
 
It wasn't Cappy he was yelling at it was the ol trash talker herself Matee Anjavon. Ann Strother was about to take 2 foul shots when Matee yelled something very personal at Ann. Geno got very upset and I don't blame him. Cappy thought it was her he was yelling at ( although I think Cappy poking Geno in the chest should have been a technical). Yes I know what Matee said.

Sorry but CVS did play the racial card.
I was trying to avoid bringing up the issue involving Ann with my comment. It was a ugly as it gets.
 
Ann Strother.

From the courant story linked above:

Late in the game at the Civic Center, after Rutgers' Matee Ajavon allegedly did some trash-talking at Charde Houston with Houston at the free-throw line, Auriemma yelled to official Dennis DeMayo, ``Hey, Dennis, you need to tell her to shut the hell up.''

I understand the Ajavon/Strother situation but it was Houston who was on the receiving end of Ajavon's comments when Geno decided he'd heard enough.
 
I was trying to avoid bringing up the issue involving Ann with my comment. It was a ugly as it gets.


I totally agree. My dislike for RU stems from this and many other incidents, some of which were already mentioned. Since VA UConn has been a fan for 30 years he would know why.
 
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The article does not mention any inappropriate comments about race. IMO a coach should never yell any comments to/at an opposing teams player while they are on the court. It's one thing for players to "trash talk" at each other, but for a coach to join in is very undignified. It was fine for him to complain to the ref, but he should not have yelled anything to Cappie. He also didn't need to say "tell her to shut the hell up". He could have said "tell her to stop the trash talking". CVS may not have publicly apologized for comments she made to the media, but Geno never publicly apologized for his behavior either. Cappie should not have gotten in his face, but she was the less mature of the two individuals involved and Geno's should not have been yelling at her. All three parties involved have long since gotten past this incident, but some fans never will.

Here is how strange history is created. Geno did not yell at any player as you continue to insist that he did. He yelled to DeMayo to do his job. CVS after the game used language to suggest that the thing Geno asserted directed to Cappie was so vile, so yaddaa yaddaa to lay out there that it had to be something racial. So it was perceived at the time and CVS did nothing to correct the impression. Of course, she did not know and had not had any time to try to understand the circumstances or what in fact had been said. She simply lied in a despicable way and stuck with it despite all witnesses to the contrary, including Poindexter!

We are being attacked for not liking your coach on a hijacked thread on a UConn Board. Strange day.:confused:
 
I am not talking about the state of Iowa. Her antics and tone were not appreciated by a number of other staffs.
OK, sorry I misunderstood the post Icebear. I thought you were referring to hurt feelings at Iowa. Though I think the LadyKnights will be fine in the B1G but am concerned about FB !
 
Here is how strange history is created. Geno did not yell at any player as you continue to insist that he did. He yelled to DeMayo to do his job. CVS after the game used language to suggest that the thing Geno asserted directed to Cappie was so vile, so yaddaa yaddaa to lay out there that it had to be something racial. So it was perceived at the time and CVS did nothing to correct the impression. Of course, she did not know and had not had any time to try to understand the circumstances or what in fact had been said. She simply lied in a despicable way and stuck with it despite all witnesses to the contrary, including Poindexter!

We are being attacked for not liking your coach on a hijacked thread on a UConn Board. Strange day.:confused:
I for 1 am very sorry if you feel that way because most RU fan's have nothing but respect for UConn esp the LadyHuskies and myself even Geno whose been amazing and are really hoping to have "youz" join us soon in the B1G. UConn and their fan's(like UConnell) deserves nothing less !
 
I have no idea what C-Viv was suggesting with her comment about what Geno said ("unbecoming a coach to any player, at any time, anywhere.''). Therein lies the problem. She withheld the facts (likely because she didn't have them) and allowed everyone else to fill in the void and assume the worst. It's no different than "Geno knows." It was cowardly and manipulative.

Having said that, several years have since passed and the parties directly involved have moved on. Many fans have too.
 
OK, sorry I misunderstood the post Icebear. I thought you were referring to hurt feelings at Iowa. Though I think the LadyKnights will be fine in the B1G but am concerned about FB !
Many of those coaches are no longer in the Big Ten. She had her supporters, too. But she ticked off a lot of people.
 
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I for 1 am very sorry if you feel that way because most RU fan's have nothing but respect for UConn esp the LadyHuskies and myself even Geno whose been amazing and are really hoping to have "youz" join us soon in the B1G. UConn and their fan's(like UConnell) deserves nothing less !

Hey, I have no love for CVS, but RU has always had a knowledgeable fan base and I am happy to see your team making headway this year.
 
I have no idea what C-Viv was suggesting with her comment about what Geno said ("unbecoming a coach to any player, at any time, anywhere.''). Therein lies the problem. She withheld the facts (likely because she didn't have them) and allowed everyone else to fill in the void and assume the worst. It's no different than "Geno knows." It was cowardly and manipulative.

Having said that, several years have since passed and the parties directly involved have moved on. Many fans have too.
I agree(with moving on) and I won't defend the defenseless but were all just human and have to move past it like or not. It is what it is.
 
That was an ugly incident and left a sour taste but it never went anywhere near the level of the TN situation nor did either the fan base nor anyone involved in the situation try to carry it beyond the week in which it occurred. Credit to the ADs for defusing it quickly.
Would it have been nice for a public apology from Cviv - yes, but I never felt it was necessary and based on the current relationship between Geno and her neither did they.
It was quite a while ago and personally I have moved on. I am not overly impressed with Rutgers in the intervening years nor with CViv's coaching, but they are an interesting team this year and maybe she has her mojo back. I suspect she may have lost sight of the quality of the players she succeeds with and got too caught up in ratings of the players she recruited for a few years.
 
Wilson will change the landscape if she chooses any university othe than UCONN. If she chooses UCONN the view stays the same.
 
Hello! It's like a UConn forum! There is bound to be some lack of love for opposing coaches and doesn't mean any lack of respect ...

In this particular case, you can put me down both in the "Lack of Love" AND the "Lack of Respect" columns.
 
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I didn't try to start up a whole discussion about to why CVS is disliked by UConn fans, B1G coaches, etc. I was just stating that I wasn't buying any of what Troyhouse was trying to sell. I was just here stating how excited I am about Rutgers future next year and beyond...

That's all.

Do I expect you all to respect or like CVS? No. I understand your dislike for her. Although her & Geno seem to be way past it. So there's that.

Hope everyone has a good day.
 
I didn't try to start up a whole discussion about to why CVS is disliked by UConn fans, B1G coaches, etc. I was just stating that I wasn't buying any of what Troyhouse was trying to sell. I was just here stating how excited I am about Rutgers future next year and beyond...

That's all.

Do I expect you all to respect or like CVS? No. I understand your dislike for her. Although her & Geno seem to be way past it. So there's that.

Hope everyone has a good day.
I didn't think you were trying to stir the pot myself and you're post seemed innocent enough to me? I guess CVS is usually controversial subject matter on others boards but I'm glad we got her at RU. I'm concerned who were gonna get when she retires? Maybe Staley?
 
Maybe, but IMHO SC is not nearly as good as their record or their ranking. Who exactly have they played? Not really a single top 10 team. Kentucky is showing they are no where near the top 10. UNC back in early December? Ok. The SEC is very solid this year, but I don't think a single team is final 4 material.

Clearly there are a lot of games left, but they have played a real cupcake schedule. They beat Winthrop by 8, squeaked past Arkansas by 4, beat a lousy Auburn team by 6, Vandy by 4 and Mississippi State by 7, and aTm in OT. Most of those teams just aren't any good, and SC "squeaked" past them.


You can argue they haven't beat top opponents, but NO ONE has proven to be Final Four material outside of UCONN and ND. Look at the rest of the top 10:
Stanford:
Win a close one at home vs. Tennessee.
Lose to 15-10 Washington less than 2 weeks ago. Throttled by UCONN on the road.

Louisville:
0 wins against top 15 teams
Overtime wins against Oklahoma and Florida State
Lost to Kentucky and blown out by UCONN.

Baylor:
2 wins against struggling #12 Oklahoma State (who was just blown out by 32 to West Virginia)
Lost by 16 at Kansas and to Kentucky in Texas

Duke:
Home wins vs. #14 NC State, blew out #8 Maryland, no other wins against current top 15 teams unless you count their win vs. Kentucky
Blown out at home by UCONN, Notre Dame, and lost by 11 at home against UNC

Maryland:
Only win vs. team in current top 15 is @ UNC.
Losses to Duke, Notre Dame, Connecticut, NC State and a bad 14 point loss to 13-13 Virginia.

Penn State:
No wins vs. top 15
Lost to San Diego State, @ home vs. unranked Iowa, @ home to #21 Purdue

Tennessee:
Beat North Carolina by 16 early in the season, no other wins vs. top 15 teams.
Lost to Kentucky at home, @ Vanderbilt, vs. #19 LSU

Now look at South Carolina:
Only top 15 win was a blow out at Kentucky (won by 23 points), and beat Kentucky at home by 9
Only losses are a road game @ Texas A&M in OT, and vs. UNC on a neutral court in a tight game back in December.

South Carolina also recently crushed LSU on the road. South Carolina has 0 bad losses (unlike Stanford, Baylor, Maryland, Penn State and Tennessee), a better resume of wins than Louisville, and no blowout losses unlike Duke. It's also worth mentioning, in those closer games you mentioned, South Carolina never trailed in the 2nd half (excluding 19 seconds in the first minute against Auburn.)


South Carolina is extremely young and athletic. At this point, I think they've proven to be the 3rd most impressive team in the nation. At this point, I think they have to be considered a #1 seed and Final Four favorite. They still have a date at Tennessee and the SEC tournament, but even if they lose 1 more game this year, I'd still put them as the #3 overall seed ahead of Duke, Baylor, Stanford, or Louisville unless Duke/Louisville can upset Notre Dame/UCONN.

Return everyone in your rotation, and add in a top post player and the top recruit in the class who slides in perfectly on the wing, and you have a team that is a Final Four favorite and championship contender in the next few years, especially considering the talent that other top teams (ie. Notre Dame/Connecticut) will be losing.
 
Yes, it's interesting and rather difficult in determining just how strong a team's schedule is. For instance:

Louisville (currently ranked #3): They beat LSU - but a nobody team as you say that's on their way out of the top 25, and currently 25th-ranked Rutgers. Lost to UConn and a crappy UK team that you say is moving out of the top 20. And that's it. Haven't even PLAYED anyone else, much less beat them..

Stanford (currently ranked #5): They beat top-10 ranked UT, then Purdue, Gonzaga, and beat both Arizona St. and Cal twice each. But those teams other than UT are all ranked in the top 20-25, like UK and LSU so they are all crappy teams. Stanford lost to UConn...

Baylor (currently ranked #6): They beat Okie State twice. That's it. Top-15 team that's gone 3-4 their last 7 gms and heading out of the top 20, like UK and LSU. Baylor lost to crappy UK and UConn...

Duke (currently ranked #7): They beat top-10 Maryland, then beat Cal, Purdue, crappy UK, and NC St. All teams that fall into your "crappy" category. Duke lost to Uconn, ND, and UNC...

Maryland (currently ranked #8): They beat UNC, and that's it. Lost to UConn, Duke, NC St., and ND...

Penn State (currently ranked #9): They beat Texas A&M and Purdue. Lost to UConn, ND, and Purdue...

Those are 6 of the top 10 teams currently ranked: they have all of TWO (2) wins against currently top-10 ranked opponents thus far. They have combined for TEN (10) losses to teams currently ranked top-10. The rest of their wins against ranked opponents are all of the "crappy" variety like UK and LSU, by your standards. So by your argument, those teams are all like USC and haven't really beaten anyone yet. Right?

But here's something else: what do all those teams have in common? They all lost to UConn - SIX (6) of their 10 losses are to UConn. So perhaps by your argument, UConn hasn't really played anyone yet, if the majority of their wins against top-25 opponents are these teams? Right?
You just beat me to the punch!
 
But here's something else: what do all those teams have in common? They all lost to UConn - SIX (6) of their 10 losses are to UConn. So perhaps by your argument, UConn hasn't really played anyone yet, if the majority of their wins against top-25 opponents are these teams? Right?

Well, no. What it says to me is that UConn will end up playing more games against the current top 10 teams than any other team. Notre Dame will come in second. That says both teams have earned their rankings and will be battle-tested. As for the other teams, we'll have to see what happens over the next few weeks. South Carolina isn't more proven than the other contenders for #1 seeds at this point.
 
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Next year they will all return with a load of experience, and they will add TWO McDonalds AA and THREE 5* talents to their roster. Regardless of what happens with Wilson. I think beginning with next season there will be much greater expectations for USC than just being a FF team...

Three 5* players? By whose ranking?
 
Hoopgurlz. White is #7, Duckett #32, Cuevas #44. Realistically I don't see Cuevas or Duckett having a huge roles next year but both will add greater depth to the backcourt. White has a tough task of stealing minutes from the other frontline players, but South Carolina will definitely be rock solid in the frontcourt next year.
 
Hoopgurlz. White is #7, Duckett #32, Cuevas #44. Realistically I don't see Cuevas or Duckett having a huge roles next year but both will add greater depth to the backcourt. White has a tough task of stealing minutes from the other frontline players, but South Carolina will definitely be rock solid in the frontcourt next year.

Hoopgurlz ranks its top 52 players as 5* and the remaining 48 players as 4*. I think of 5* players as pretty select company.
 
Hoopgurlz. White is #7, Duckett #32, Cuevas #44. Realistically I don't see Cuevas or Duckett having a huge roles next year but both will add greater depth to the backcourt. White has a tough task of stealing minutes from the other frontline players, but South Carolina will definitely be rock solid in the frontcourt next year.

Nobody saw #52 Nina Davis having a huge role for Baylor this year...until they saw her having a huge role. Rankings are not always accurate.
 
BBall and CLE802 - nice analysis - I do think for Baylor in the decent wins you need to add in at WVU though. (Another team that is difficult to quantify because of a very poor OOC.)

But it does point to a very odd year in WCBB - there are two clear front runners and then a bunch of teams that may or may not belong in the next 5 positions, and may or may not belong in the following 5 positions and then a bunch that may or not belong in the next 5, etc.
I think there has been more movement into and out of and back into the top 10 and top 20 this year than I can remember. I think it starts with OOC where a lot of good teams chose not to play anybody and a bunch of others played one or two challenging games. And those that included either ND or Uconn in that sea of crap racked up a loss that was 'expected' but nothing else that identified their relative strength. And then you get into league play and the leagues have failed to produce a clear hierarchy -
The AAC - Uconn followed by Louisville, but nothing else until you get to Rutgers somewhere in the 20-30 range.
ACC - ND, followed by ???, a group of teams that have lost games to teams they should beat or beat teams you expect them to lose to and who didn't distinguish themselves in OOC.
SEC - SC followed by ??? - SC is leading the league and has just navigated most of the toughest part of their schedule with one big game at TN to come but none of the other teams have done anything to distinguish themselves. And SC is leading by default.
Big12 - Baylor followed by WVU - again a group of questionable teams and Baylor is leading by default.
Big10 - PSU? followed by ??? PSU by default but nothing else really of interest
Pac12 - Stanford followed by ??? nothing of interest.

I just don't remember a year where this has happened before - is this parity? or just mediocrity?
I hope the dreadful OOC by most of the top teams was a one year hiatus due to all the realignment and that we will see teams like Baylor and SC and UNC and even ND actually playing meaningful OOC games
 
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