Liza Karlen?

[Skeets]

Scholarships are non-renewed frequently, and I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a player tearfully going to the media to complain. Usually the player just transfers to another school and no more has heard of it. But it will happen a number of times in men’s basketball this year and many hundreds of times in football.

How many players were forced to transfer, or out of the sport altogether, because their scholarships would not be renewed because they were not good enough to keep their roster spot? If this were to happen I would imagine it would quickly become a mutual situation because the well would be poisoned. No doubt there have been bad blood transfers, but that's a different story.

 

[Bald Husky]

I'm not in favor of getting Liza. I know she is a really, really good player, but we already have really, really good players. We were looking for a "Big", and she is not a "Big". I don't want to push back the development of our current players and the players we have worked so hard to recruit. Beers was one thing, and she would have been invaluable, but as far as smaller forwards, we don't need them. We can't keep thinking about the last few years, so we must be optimistic. Bringing in Liza would cause uneasiness among the new kids and may push them to the portal. We have to avoid that, so as far as I'm concerned, we should go with what we have. Period.

 

[stamfordhusky]

How many players were forced to transfer, or out of the sport altogether, because their scholarships would not be renewed because they were not good enough to keep their roster spot? If this were to happen I would imagine it would quickly become a mutual situation because the well would be poisoned. No doubt there have been bad blood transfers, but that's a different story.

It is not uncommon for a players scholarship to be non-renewed, either because they are simply not good enough or because the coach wants to go in a different direction. It is usually not publicized, but sometimes is. It most commonly happens in football, where there have been many thousands of non-renewed scholarships. Not that uncommon in men’s basketball either.

While it is possible the well might be poisoned, it is a cutthroat “win now” situation we live in when it comes to college sports. If a coach can upgrade his/her roster, many coaches won’t hesitate to non-renew a scholarship. Their job may be dependent on getting the roster upgraded. Usually, it is not publicized because the player losing the scholarship will be trying to find a spot to transfer to and it doesn’t help their cause if all of the other coaches know they were deemed to be not good enough for a roster spot. Also players realize the college sports universe has turned into a business and they are not surprised, in many cases, when there is a non-renewal of their scholarship.

 

[Bone Dog]

I have a feeling that Karlen will end up at Notre Dame.............then again, I've been wrong before.........plenty.........

I’ve had this same thought. Liza would fit in at ND well enough, and Niele would know how to make good use of her. But she would only be a rotation player behind Maddie Westbeld who will probably play 30+ mins. Liza would get 10-15 mins at most. This is also what her situation at UConn would be, initially sharing time with Ice and maybe Sarah. She might get more minutes initially, but they’d likely shrink as Aubrey Ayanna and Caroline return.

I imagine she is aware that she’s unlikely to start at any top-20 team. Marquette was the sweet spot for her prior to Duffy’s departure. I wonder if Va Tech has any attraction for her.

Transferring to another catholic school might make ND more appealing. But ND or UConn may represent her best chance to play for an NC contender and build her portfolio for the draft, if either one matters to her.

 

[oldude]

It is not uncommon for a players scholarship to be non-renewed, either because they are simply not good enough or because the coach wants to go in a different direction. It is usually not publicized, but sometimes is. It most commonly happens in football, where there have been many thousands of non-renewed scholarships. Not that uncommon in men’s basketball either.

While it is possible the well might be poisoned, it is a cutthroat “win now” situation we live in when it comes to college sports. If a coach can upgrade his/her roster, many coaches won’t hesitate to non-renew a scholarship. Their job may be dependent on getting the roster upgraded. Usually, it is not publicized because the player losing the scholarship will be trying to find a spot to transfer to and it doesn’t help their cause if all of the other coaches know they were deemed to be not good enough for a roster spot. Also players realize the college sports universe has turned into a business and they are not surprised, in many cases, when there is a non-renewal of their scholarship.

In UConn’s case had Ines and Amari not transferred out, there would have been “0” available scholarships for Kaitlyn Chen and a potential BIG as roster additions, making it entirely likely that both players were advised to look at opportunities to transfer elsewhere.

 

[JellyBean]

As the saying goes, It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog. Liza has that fierceness in her mental/psychological attitude. She may be 6'2" on paper but mentally she is 6'9" with a heart of a lioness!

 

[ConnMotors]

I’d be surprised if Geno didn’t sit with every player and let them know where they stand, what they need to work on and how to get more time

He does this with every player at the end of the UConn season. Scholarships are renewed yearly. There is no given. More players leave than come onboard. Many know their fait as the season progresses.

As for the last remaining opening does he want a player that is one and done. If that’s the case there are some in the portal. This would be a need just for a body to fill in case of foul trouble. Having a senior would not hamper the 2025 recruiting of players.

There are two openings after next year as Griffen and Chen leaves. Paige could be a third. But she has a Covid year left. Azzi and Caroline have to decide should they stay or should they go. I mentioned before with a loaded Class of 2026 we could get five players.

Would love to see a couple commit soon instead of waiting until their senior year.

 

[HopJim]

I’ve already said that I think Karlen could be a good addition for all the reasons that folks have mentioned, and most of all for her maturity, which we’ll be short on at the beginning of the season. But I should say something in defense of Ayanna, whose position at the 4 Liza would naturally be competing for.

Ayanna is not a great scorer and may never be. She is a good defender and rebounder who could become a great one. She is very strong, one of the strongest bigs in D1. She is also quick and runs the floor very well, which suggests a role in the transition game could be developed this season, both defending in high hedges and getting out on the break. I think of her as somewhat like Kiah who was a solid member of the team and utterly reliable on defense and rebounding.

Liza is a good shooter, a smart defender and a capable rebounder. She is not nearly as quick or strong as Ayanna. But she doesn’t make mistakes or often find herself out of position for rebounds or defense. I’m confident she’d pick up Geno’s system quickly. Defending at the top of the key in high hedges is not something she did much of in Megan Duffy’s defense, so this might be a stretch for her.

Ayanna defended Czinano well two seasons ago, largely because she is at least as strong as Monica and has quick feet. I doubt Liza would have done nearly as well in such a matchup. What this tells me is that Liza’s minutes would be important in the first half of the season and would shrink in February and March if Ayanna and Caroline resume their previous roles.

This also tells me that Liza is not an essential addition though she could be a good one. She will rarely be the indispensable player, but she’ll play a steady role in the offense Paige runs. This could be quite enjoyable for her and the rest of the Huskies could enjoy playing with her very much. And a team bound together by affection trust and respect is a good thing.

Would see defense as one of the main reasons Geno may want to sign Karlen. Ayanna had a tendency to foul, a big issue if you were needed in a close game. I predict Patterson will become a strong defender but will likely need a year to get her speed and footwork back, similar to Ice this past year. Karlen would provide someone with a high IQ on offense and the ability solidify the defense at multiple positions when needed.

 

[AmeriConn]

I’m all in for Karlen!

 

[WBBTakeover]

She's about 90% likely headed to Notre Dame. You'll get to see her play more than 10 mpg if one of their main players gets injured.

 

[DEpup]

Does anyone know who Karlen is actually talking to and considering?

 

[oldude]

She's about 90% likely headed to Notre Dame. You'll get to see her play more than 10 mpg if one of their main players gets injured.

Just like with UConn, ND presents a number of options for Karlen. Marshall is gone. That leaves 5th year seniors Westbeld & Watson along with talented freshman Koval to man the 4/5 spots in the lineup. Westbeld is a lock, Watson was inconsistent this past season for the Irish and Koval is a freshman.

I could easily see Niele Ivey starting Hidalgo, Miles & Citron at G/W with Brandford, etc. off the bench. At F/C I like Westbeld & Karlen as starters with Watson off the bench while Koval learns the ropes.

Not saying that’s what will happen or even if ND gets Karlen. But I do think it’s a realistic scenario if Karlen ends up in South Bend. In any event we need our resident ND The expert to weigh in here. Dillon77, what’s your take?

 

[AmeriConn]

She's about 90% likely headed to Notre Dame. You'll get to see her play more than 10 mpg if one of their main players gets injured.

We know ND is in the mix about 90% how?

 

[AmeriConn]

An article in the Hartford Courant listed three players still in the portal that the Huskies might be interested in. One was Liza Karlen. I think that Geno would be reluctant to take a player from another Big East team. He has a long history, and respect, for the Big East conference and it's players and fellow coaches. Which is why I feel that he might not make an offer to Liza. I'm curious to hear what other Boneyarders think.

I see Geno only having a problem taking a player if the coach was Doug Bruno.

 

[WBBTakeover]

We know ND is in the mix about 90% how?

Her recent social media activity (follows and followers) are trending that way. She's being followed by some of their big guns (e.g. Olivia Miles, Maddy Westbeld) and is following people (staffers, non-recruiting assistant coaches) that you usually wouldn't follow unless you're interested in landing at a program.

 

[yhun89]

Her recent social media activity (follows and followers) are trending that way. She's being followed by some of their big guns (e.g. Olivia Miles, Maddy Westbeld) and is following people (staffers, non-recruiting assistant coaches) that you usually wouldn't follow unless you're interested in landing at a program.

ND vs UConn about to be really interesting. Jana vs Koval, Sarah/Ice vs Liza. We’re gonna need everyone healthy.

 

[Bone Dog]

ND vs UConn about to be really interesting. Jana vs Koval, Sarah/Ice vs Liza. We’re gonna need everyone healthy.

I don’t see Liza being a match for Ice, and certainly not for Jana if she ends up at C as some folks here are forecasting. But the rest of that lineup is formidable.

 

[tower1]

I'm not in favor of getting Liza. I know she is a really, really good player, but we already have really, really good players. We were looking for a "Big", and she is not a "Big". I don't want to push back the development of our current players and the players we have worked so hard to recruit. Beers was one thing, and she would have been invaluable, but as far as smaller forwards, we don't need them. We can't keep thinking about the last few years, so we must be optimistic. Bringing in Liza would cause uneasiness among the new kids and may push them to the portal. We have to avoid that, so as far as I'm concerned, we should go with what we have. Period.

We need some help in the post in case some players aren't heeled properly yet. Or get injured this year so I am in favor in bringing in the best available post player to help.

 

[BRS24]

 

[Geew1992]

I have a feeling that Karlen will end up at Notre Dame.............then again, I've been wrong before.........plenty.........

You my friend would be correct

 

[hoopsdiva]

I'm not surprised. Somehow I couldn't see her staying in the BE.

 

[yhun89]

I don’t see Liza being a match for Ice, and certainly not for Jana if she ends up at C as some folks here are forecasting. But the rest of that lineup is formidable.

Well with no AE, nobody but Ice and Sarah matches her in height down below. And ice’s defense is kind of underrated down below. When her hands were straight up, no shots went in.

 

[huskyblooz]

Well with no AE, nobody but Ice and Sarah matches her in height down below. And ice’s defense is kind of underrated down below. When her hands were straight up, no shots went in.

I disagree. i think her defense needs work.

 

[UConnCat]

Well with no AE, nobody but Ice and Sarah matches her in height down below. And ice’s defense is kind of underrated down below. When her hands were straight up, no shots went in.

Jana is 6-4 (at least), no?

Ice did okay against Karlen in the BET (5-18 and 0-4).

Karlen is a nice player but at 6-2 and more of a finesse player she isn't really what next season's UConn team needs.

Not sure she addresses ND's issues in the lane either but that's their problem.

 

[Dillon77]

Just like with UConn, ND presents a number of options for Karlen. Marshall is gone. That leaves 5th year seniors Westbeld & Watson along with talented freshman Koval to man the 4/5 spots in the lineup. Westbeld is a lock, Watson was inconsistent this past season for the Irish and Koval is a freshman.

I could easily see Niele Ivey starting Hidalgo, Miles & Citron at G/W with Brandford, etc. off the bench. At F/C I like Westbeld & Karlen as starters with Watson off the bench while Koval learns the ropes.

Not saying that’s what will happen or even if ND gets Karlen. But I do think it’s a realistic scenario if Karlen ends up in South Bend. In any event we need our resident ND The expert to weigh in here. Dillon77, what’s your take?

Very strongly agree that Liza Karlen will work well within Coach Ivey's system and can see her working fluidly with Westbeld and Sonia Citron. Of course, having Olivia Miles dish the ball makes life easier for anyone.

The issue for ND is depth a center. Kylee Watson will not be available to work with incoming frosh Kate Koval, but she just had surgery on what was confirmed to be an ACL injury. Given how players like Olivia Miles and Bri Turner missed entire seasons following similar injuries, it's doubtful anyone will see Ms. Watson this year.

At this point, I see a pretty tight rotation up front with Koval (when they go big) at traditional post or Maddy Westbeld and Karlen at the dual forwards when they go small. You could also see the athletic Cass Prosper play some forward as well.

Let' see if Coach Ivey still has some transfers= up her proverbial sleeve....Liatu King (Pittsburgh) has visited campus, but that was before KK Bransford took herself out of the portal and decided to stay in South Bend.

 

[Centerstream]

I'm not surprised. Somehow I couldn't see her staying in the BE.

I thought that if she was going to leave the BE, and end up in the ACC, she would follow her former coach to VT. Oops.

 

[JellyBean]

Welp. What could have been. Liza should do well with Coach Ivey and the Notre Dame program.

 

[Bone Dog]

Congratulations, Liza. We all wish you the best. And we’ll be rooting against you when you come to Storrs!

 

[fireford]

So I guess now it's time to start a "Let's build false hope for Maryam Dauda" thread?

 

[oldude]

Very strongly agree that Liza Karlen will work well within Coach Ivey's system and can see her working fluidly with Westbeld and Sonia Citron. Of course, having Olivia Miles dish the ball makes life easier for anyone.

The issue for ND is depth a center. Kylee Watson will not be available to work with incoming frosh Kate Koval, but she just had surgery on what was confirmed to be an ACL injury. Given how players like Olivia Miles and Bri Turner missed entire seasons following similar injuries, it's doubtful anyone will see Ms. Watson this year.

At this point, I see a pretty tight rotation up front with Koval (when they go big) at traditional post or Maddy Westbeld and Karlen at the dual forwards when they go small. You could also see the athletic Cass Prosper play some forward as well.

Let' see if Coach Ivey still has some transfers= up her proverbial sleeve....Liatu King (Pittsburgh) has visited campus, but that was before KK Bransford took herself out of the portal and decided to stay in South Bend.

I didn’t know Watson is questionable next season. All the more reason for ND to secure Karlen, who will start alongside Westbeld, while Koval figures things out.