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Lipscomb and Belmont deserve to be in the field of 68.

storrsroars said:
If Utah St. is in, so is St. Mary's. I'd say the same about Belmont & Furman. Trying to justify one while excluding the other is an exercise in splitting hairs with a butter knife.
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St Mary's has zero wins over teams that are going to be in the tournament. Their metrics look pretty but they have no quality wins. They aren't getting in.
 
Lipscomb's loss (74-68), on their home floor, to Liberty in the conference title game...has them on the backside of the bubble.

They do have a NET of 48...and a good win over TCU..
 
Saint Mary's: Best wins #46 New Mexico State (not in at-large conversation), #73 San Francisco, #102 San Diego. 2 losses in Q3/Q4. 21 of 32 games in Q3/Q4.

Utah State: Best wins #18 Nevada, #37 St Mary's #75 UC Irvine. 1 loss in Q3/Q4. 21/30 games in Q3/Q4

Lipscomb: Best wins #47 TCU #59 Liberty #103 SMU, 1 loss in Q3/Q4. 21/30 games in Q3/Q4 - but 17 of those are Q4.

Belmont: Best wins #43 Murray State, #48 Lipscomb, #48 Lipscomb. 2 losses in Q3/Q4 - but 17 of those Q4.

Utah State has the two best wins of the group. Belmont has a better win than Lipscomb and beat Lipscomb twice. Saint Mary's is the worst resume of the four in my opinion, but it's not close imo.
 
storrsroars said:
One thing I still don't like about the seedings is that 4 one-bid conference champs go to Dayton. Give these guys the real NCAA experience as 16 seeds w/o play-ins, please. Barring a miracle, they're all going out in the 1st round anyway. Send those 8th, 9th and 10th place P5 teams to Dayton.
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If you asked them, they might not agree that that is what they want.

In the play-in game they get:
- A better chance at a win than playing a 1 seed. That win goes in the records as an NCAA tournament win the same as any other
- And thus a win earns a tournament credit worth ~$2 million for their conference.
- A primetime game as opposed to being lost in the shuffle and likely put in a bad timeslot because the NCAA expects a beatdown.
 
auror said:
If you asked them, they might not agree that that is what they want.
In the play-in game they get:
- And thus a win earns a tournament credit worth ~$2 million for their conference.
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That is a worthwhile point.
 
They could definitely scare some teams in the tourney. But, you have to win that conference championship. I really wanted to see Lipscomb there - their star, Garrison Matthews, is a crazy good shooter from deep.
 
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There has been one win out of 136 #16 seed games...

A #16 seed has a chance at an upset...and slim beats none, I guess.

But the history is that a fraction of one percent have won.
 
auror said:
If you asked them, they might not agree that that is what they want.

In the play-in game they get:
- A better chance at a win than playing a 1 seed. That win goes in the records as an NCAA tournament win the same as any other
- And thus a win earns a tournament credit worth ~$2 million for their conference.
- A primetime game as opposed to being lost in the shuffle and likely put in a bad timeslot because the NCAA expects a beatdown.
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Yep the play in game tourney credit is big for the small conferences.

The NEC home office is entirely funded by the NCAA credit for example. Getting two is huge.
 
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I am still learning basketball...but a late start is better than not...

What I never realized was how being a very good team in a not very good BB conference or vice versa impacts a program.

Gonzaga has been a perennial tournamant credit earner...in fact has earned over 60% of the WCC tourney credits since 1991....yet only gets the same return as their conference mates as the tourney revenue gets divided equally by the conference.

Conversely, Northwestern has not made it to an NCAA tournament since 1939...but gets the conferences equal share...earned by Michigan State, etc.

Seems to me, that no matter which way it is cut, being in a conference with more teams annually making the tourney and earning credits must be beneficial.

I guess no conference has other than "equal share" distribution?
 
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