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2024 Recruiting: Liam McNeeley

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Karmacop said:
I'm not sure the wink will ever be deployed in this NIL era. Matrim got (so unfairly) criticized after Timberlake flipped to Kansas at the last moment, and I thought Matrim indicated that "the wink" was going to be mothballed.
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Speaking of Timberlake, man that miss was so important for our championship. Without Camm, I don't know about #6.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Hope we get a visit. Apparently Arkansas and Alabama are pretty solidly in the mix.
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2 things scare me here.

1) Tyson chicken man
2) Rylan Griffin just unexpectedly left Bama so now they have a clear opening for McNeeley.

And then theres also Bill Self and Adidas waiting in the dark to drop a bag at the 23rd hour.
 
aburks41 said:
2 things scare me here.

1) Tyson chicken man
2) Rylan Griffin just unexpectedly left Bama so now they have a clear opening for McNeeley.

And then theres also Bill Self and Adidas waiting in the dark to drop a bag at the 23rd hour.
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if he can be bought then we dont want him. we want guys willing to take less money to come to UConn. like Hurley just did.
 
bendm said:
if he can be bought then we dont want him. we want guys willing to take less money to come to UConn. like Hurley just did.
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that's exactly right - Hurley has two incredible proof points for his pitch. One is what you just mentioned - he personally took less money for the right reasons. The other is the Stephon Castle example. You can win, become better and reach the next level when you put the team first and not yourself.

Selfish? Want the biggest bag of cash? UConn isn't for you.
 
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WhereistheDove? said:
If only he had claimed to be hanging out with Hurley in Lexington…
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In all seriousness it was an incredible masterclass in “how you can ruin your career brand in 72 hours” . Even the mentally feeble Kentucky fans who couldn’t spell the word “ Cat” even if you spotted them the C and the T caught on to the fact that he has just been making crap up for a decade.
 
aburks41 said:
2 things scare me here.

1) Tyson chicken man
2) Rylan Griffin just unexpectedly left Bama so now they have a clear opening for McNeeley.

And then theres also Bill Self and Adidas waiting in the dark to drop a bag at the 23rd hour.
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I'd take Rylan over McNeeley if we want a 3peat.
 
aburks41 said:
2 things scare me here.

1) Tyson chicken man
2) Rylan Griffin just unexpectedly left Bama so now they have a clear opening for McNeeley.

And then theres also Bill Self and Adidas waiting in the dark to drop a bag at the 23rd hour.
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Heard on WFAN this morning that the Tyson chicken man is providing Arkansas with 10 million in NIL and Jerry Jones is chipping in to add to that. That’s diabolical
 
Horatio said:
Heard on WFAN this morning that the Tyson chicken man is providing Arkansas with 10 million in NIL and Jerry Jones is chipping in to add to that. That’s diabolical
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So basically, they want to emulate what Cal did at UK? Spend $$$$ on a team full of 5-stars and maybe get to the Final 4 if not getting bounced early? Whatever, have at it.
 
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Matrim55 said:
Just bear in mind things change RAPIDLY in the NIL era. Nothing is done until the kid’s on the campus getting his @$$ kicked in practice.
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Preach. Yes, things were fluid before. Add cash to mix and it’s New England weather…can change that fast
 
boog204 said:
They also, I believe, literally do not have a roster. So they need to buy an entire team.
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What could go wrong?

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As it stands now, Texas A&M currently has 16 players in the transfer portal. https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Football/TransferPortal/?institutionkey=24029 Many of whom are from their highly touted 2022 recruiting class, ranked as the highest ever assembled in the recruiting ranking era...
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Think of a Grady Dick kind of shooter in McNeeley... maybe a half a tier below that.

He played a decent amount of the 2 at MVA. Surprisingly good playmaking ability. Handle is not quite there yet, just OK at HS level.

Defense was pretty good at MVA. Question was, will he be a step slow on the perimeter at the next level? Probably not initially strong enough to be a plus defender in the paint. Personally I think he will be able to hold his own on the perimeter as a freshman by the time conference play rolls around, but he does not IMO have Castle's athleticism.

You wouldn't call him a tenacious player on D but he tends to get a sneaky amount of steals and blocks. Hard to judge because MVA is basically an all-star team playing worse all-star teams, more or less. I think he will have a learning curve on that end at first but he has a good enough BBIQ and length to make it work. Shooting and playmaking should be there from the start...

Could grow into an exceptional college 3 and D player with very good NBA potential.

Hurley would be the right coach to help him become that.
 
I don’t know what Arkansas fans are expecting. Before this season Muss had been to 2 straight elite 8’s and lost to the eventual national champs both times of I’m not mistaken. How much better do they think Cal is gonna do than that?
 
These were the 4 games that I could find that were closest to not blowouts. Prolific Prep, Columbus, AZ, and Paul VI. Basically the best teams in all of HS Ball.

12.5 PTS
2.8 REB
1.8 AST

0 TO
0.8 STL
0.3 BLK

55% 2FG (5 attempts per)
35% 3FG (5 attempts per)
54% FT (3.3 attempts per)

Overall: Starts for the best team in the country, and it’s really not close. These 4 games were the best competition I could find videos for. 6’7 210lbs or so. Plays the 3 or 4 for Montverde and would probably do the same here. Good but not great athlete; plays without much wiggle to his game, very stiff. Fundamentals are good across the board, but only his shooting is excellent. Defense is a work in progress because of his athleticism, but he has a high BBIQ to help with that.

Offense: Absolutely pure shooter. Even misses aren't bad misses. 3-point stroke and FT stroke are textbook. He must be the best shooter in his class or close to it. I doubt 54% from FT is a reflection of his entire season. Had literally 0 turnovers in these 4 games. He’s a low-usage, high efficiency scorer and will probably project that way wherever he plays. He’s more of a system passer than a creative passer (ie. Karaban vs. Newton). I don’t think he has much of a left hand drive or finish. Handles are okay, but not great for a 3. Probably would struggle as a secondary ballhandler.

Defense: His athleticism will hinder him a bit on defense. Right now he’s generally guarding the weakest perimeter threat on the other team. Rebounding is pretty weak considering his size–most of what he’s getting isn’t contested. That being said, he has solid team defensive IQ and helps/rotates on time and aggressively. I don’t think he’ll be as poor in a 1v1 situation as Cam, but he will need to be a part of the system instead of defending on an island. Probably more like Karaban-level defense–there will definitely be a risk of a bad matchup and you aren’t going to pin him as a lockdown defender like Castle was (yet… he will develop).
 
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husky429 said:
These were the 4 games that I could find that were closest to not blowouts. Prolific Prep, Columbus, AZ, and Paul VI. Basically the best teams in all of HS Ball.

12.5 PTS
2.8 REB
1.8 AST

0 TO
0.8 STL
0.3 BLK

55% 2FG (5 attempts per)
35% 3FG (5 attempts per)
54% FT (3.3 attempts per)

Overall: Starts for the best team in the country, and it’s really not close. These 4 games were the best competition I could find videos for. 6’7 210lbs or so. Plays the 3 or 4 for Montverde and would probably do the same here. Good but not great athlete; plays without much wiggle to his game, very stiff. Fundamentals are good across the board, but only his shooting is excellent. Defense is a work in progress because of his athleticism, but he has a high BBIQ to help with that.

Offense: Absolutely pure shooter. Even misses aren't bad misses. 3-point stroke and FT stroke are textbook. He must be the best shooter in his class or close to it. I doubt 54% from FT is a reflection of his entire season. Had literally 0 turnovers in these 4 games. He’s a low-usage, high efficiency scorer and will probably project that way wherever he plays. He’s more of a system passer than a creative passer (ie. Karaban vs. Newton). I don’t think he has much of a left hand drive or finish. Handles are okay, but not great for a 3. Probably would struggle as a secondary ballhandler.

Defense: His athleticism will hinder him a bit on defense. Right now he’s generally guarding the weakest perimeter threat on the other team. Rebounding is pretty weak considering his size–most of what he’s getting isn’t contested. That being said, he has solid team defensive IQ and helps/rotates on time and aggressively. I don’t think he’ll be as poor in a 1v1 situation as Cam, but he will need to be a part of the system instead of defending on an island. Probably more like Karaban-level defense–there will definitely be a risk of a bad matchup and you aren’t going to pin him as a lockdown defender like Castle was (yet… he will develop).
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You pretty much nailed this description as someone who has watched him play a lot of games other than the ones you listed here.

An Indiana fan apparently has somewhat* effectively* projected the stats of incoming freshmen by averaging the FR year stats of the six most similar profile players (in size, rank, and position) from the last three recruiting classes.

For McNeeley, this is what they projected... obviously take with huge grain of salt because this lacks a ton of important context. Good amount of variance is likely but should be a decent baseline IMO
  • 25.9 minutes/game
  • 7.9 shots, 43.8 fg %
  • 3.2 of the shots are threes, 35.3%
  • 2.7 ft, 76.7%
  • 4.7 rebounds
  • 1.4 assists
  • 1.1 steals
  • 0.5 blocks
  • 1.2 turnovers
  • 10.1 points/game
 
husky429 said:
These were the 4 games that I could find that were closest to not blowouts. Prolific Prep, Columbus, AZ, and Paul VI. Basically the best teams in all of HS Ball.

12.5 PTS
2.8 REB
1.8 AST

0 TO
0.8 STL
0.3 BLK

55% 2FG (5 attempts per)
35% 3FG (5 attempts per)
54% FT (3.3 attempts per)

Overall: Starts for the best team in the country, and it’s really not close. These 4 games were the best competition I could find videos for. 6’7 210lbs or so. Plays the 3 or 4 for Montverde and would probably do the same here. Good but not great athlete; plays without much wiggle to his game, very stiff. Fundamentals are good across the board, but only his shooting is excellent. Defense is a work in progress because of his athleticism, but he has a high BBIQ to help with that.

Offense: Absolutely pure shooter. Even misses aren't bad misses. 3-point stroke and FT stroke are textbook. He must be the best shooter in his class or close to it. I doubt 54% from FT is a reflection of his entire season. Had literally 0 turnovers in these 4 games. He’s a low-usage, high efficiency scorer and will probably project that way wherever he plays. He’s more of a system passer than a creative passer (ie. Karaban vs. Newton). I don’t think he has much of a left hand drive or finish. Handles are okay, but not great for a 3. Probably would struggle as a secondary ballhandler.

Defense: His athleticism will hinder him a bit on defense. Right now he’s generally guarding the weakest perimeter threat on the other team. Rebounding is pretty weak considering his size–most of what he’s getting isn’t contested. That being said, he has solid team defensive IQ and helps/rotates on time and aggressively. I don’t think he’ll be as poor in a 1v1 situation as Cam, but he will need to be a part of the system instead of defending on an island. Probably more like Karaban-level defense–there will definitely be a risk of a bad matchup and you aren’t going to pin him as a lockdown defender like Castle was (yet… he will develop).
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Excellent write-up. For all your analysis and some of my own, this is why I do not expect him to be a high impact player as a freshman. He could do very nicely in a well defined role, but his lack of creation and defensive chops don't indicate 3peat level player. I'd be hoping he could turn into a Karaban level defender in a few years and despite Cam's lack of elite size and athleticism, he was almost never could out of position which takes a ton of practice and sweat.
 
husky429 said:
They don't play similarly at all outside of having a similar size.

McNeeley is a low-usage, high-effeciency wing. Much better shooter than Hamilton. Hamilton was a point-forward who needed the ball in his hands and was a constant triple-double threat.

He's closer to Hawkins than Hamilton in usage, but not quite so one-dimensional.
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Except that Hamilton lost the ability to shoot while he was here. Couldn’t shoot a lick his sophomore year.
 
speckle said:
Excellent write-up. For all your analysis and some of my own, this is why I do not expect him to be a high impact player as a freshman. He could do very nicely in a well defined role, but his lack of creation and defensive chops don't indicate 3peat level player. I'd be hoping he could turn into a Karaban level defender in a few years and despite Cam's lack of elite size and athleticism, he was almost never could out of position which takes a ton of practice and sweat.
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I could see him playing about 10-14mpg in a very defined role. IMO his shooting will get him an opportunity to earn minutes and he will be a surprisingly good passer in the offensive system. Defense will be what limits him freshman year, but I believe he sat for two years at MVA, so he has shown that he can buy in and improve over time, not run away from a challenge. His motor in terms of grabbing rebounds I think will also play a big factor in whether he plays/how many minutes he gets.

He'll have his moments but freshmen are freshmen... Think he will be a very dangerous sophomore.
 
businesslawyer said:
Except that Hamilton lost the ability to shoot while he was here. Couldn’t shoot a lick his sophomore year.
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He did have a 40 pt game that was credited to Brimah
 
Hurlees4hed said:
I could see him playing about 10-14mpg in a very defined role. IMO his shooting will get him an opportunity to earn minutes and he will be a surprisingly good passer in the offensive system. Defense will be what limits him freshman year, but I believe he sat for two years at MVA, so he has shown that he can buy in and improve over time, not run away from a challenge. His motor in terms of grabbing rebounds I think will also play a big factor in whether he plays/how many minutes he gets.

He'll have his moments but freshmen are freshmen... Think he will be a very dangerous sophomore.
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He's playing more than 10-14 a game.
 
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husky429 said:
These were the 4 games that I could find that were closest to not blowouts. Prolific Prep, Columbus, AZ, and Paul VI. Basically the best teams in all of HS Ball.

12.5 PTS
2.8 REB
1.8 AST

0 TO
0.8 STL
0.3 BLK

55% 2FG (5 attempts per)
35% 3FG (5 attempts per)
54% FT (3.3 attempts per)

Overall: Starts for the best team in the country, and it’s really not close. These 4 games were the best competition I could find videos for. 6’7 210lbs or so. Plays the 3 or 4 for Montverde and would probably do the same here. Good but not great athlete; plays without much wiggle to his game, very stiff. Fundamentals are good across the board, but only his shooting is excellent. Defense is a work in progress because of his athleticism, but he has a high BBIQ to help with that.

Offense: Absolutely pure shooter. Even misses aren't bad misses. 3-point stroke and FT stroke are textbook. He must be the best shooter in his class or close to it. I doubt 54% from FT is a reflection of his entire season. Had literally 0 turnovers in these 4 games. He’s a low-usage, high efficiency scorer and will probably project that way wherever he plays. He’s more of a system passer than a creative passer (ie. Karaban vs. Newton). I don’t think he has much of a left hand drive or finish. Handles are okay, but not great for a 3. Probably would struggle as a secondary ballhandler.

Defense: His athleticism will hinder him a bit on defense. Right now he’s generally guarding the weakest perimeter threat on the other team. Rebounding is pretty weak considering his size–most of what he’s getting isn’t contested. That being said, he has solid team defensive IQ and helps/rotates on time and aggressively. I don’t think he’ll be as poor in a 1v1 situation as Cam, but he will need to be a part of the system instead of defending on an island. Probably more like Karaban-level defense–there will definitely be a risk of a bad matchup and you aren’t going to pin him as a lockdown defender like Castle was (yet… he will develop).
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He bulked up/filled out a lot over the last year. If you watch his tape from 2022 he’s leaner and appears to be more fluid and agile. But now he’s become a much more efficient player. His defense will be fine at this level bc he’ll have such good positional size on the perimeter, and he’s athletic enough to stay in front of these 6’5 wing type players in conference. And he’ll be a smart player. When MV runs their set stuff he’s involved with the screening and cutting, they dont hide him in a corner, he can clearly absorb a playbook.
 
bendm said:
Dude is ranked 15 in his class. Castle was ranked 10th. Are you saying only the top 10 ranked freshmen are good enough to start or are you saying Liam is severely overrated?
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I think that Liam is a really good player but much more limited than Castle athletically. He can definitely play within a system very well and his shooting should translate. I think McNeeley will be good, and after looking closer at who is coming back next year, I could see him playing anywhere from 15/18-25 mins per game depending how Hurley does in Portal Combat season. I'd say if McNeeley is starting next year, it will be an uphill climb to get back to where UConn has been the past two seasons. Personally I'd want him in a 7th man role as a freshman then think he'd be ready to shine as a sophomore. But honestly... Hurley knows what he's doing, so whatever he does will be the right thing (assuming McNeeley does indeed become a Husky).
 
Inyatkin said:
Dan Hamilton an all-time "what if" for us
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Him and his brothers all left too early for quick money and destroyed almost certain long nba careers. Sometimes you do need another year. Jordan got his money, but needed another year to get mentally tougher. His stroke is perfect but his shooting percentage never correlated. Hope he has a long career
 
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