Leadership this coming season | Page 2 | The Boneyard

Leadership this coming season

Status
Not open for further replies.
Is there anything worse than an outsider trying to evaluate leadership? You have no earthly idea if Boatright was a good leader or not.
This right here is gold.
Dudes - you simply CANNOT determine leadership qualities based on the narrow angle view your TV gives you 1.3 hours a week when you watch. Cannot be done. Anybody questioning Boat's leadership needs to slow their flow. Unless you are in that huddle, and in the locker room, and on the bus, and so on, you are in no position to judge. Barking out orders on the floor in a manner that is discernible to the home audience does not equate with leadership.

Leave it to Ollie. LITO. PLEASE!
 
pretty sure donny was referring to the addition of two grad students, which undoubtedly boosts leadership in the locker room, regardless of how good boat was at that. Dont think his statement had anything to do with ryan.

But i will note, its possible people know players in the locker room, or off second hand knowledge from past players/people connected deep into the program... its not that crazy.
 
No, you don't get it. It's not about being a bad fan. Your problem is that you think you have any insight at all into his leadership based on what you watched on television.
Everyone has an opinion and it is based on absolutely nothing.
Unless you, huskiesnyc or I wore a uniform and hung around the young man 50% of the day the past 4 years, none of us know squat
Boat was/is Boat and Bazz was/is Bazz - two different people but two great UConn players who have the ring(s) to flash
 
No harm no foul @huskiesnyc. You know Im not trying to flame you. Just pointing out that Bazz was tough with his team because that is the role of your senior leader and boat was right to check guys too. Opinion.
 
I would read it as "we have depth at leadership this year".

Boat was a leader, but I think everyone deferred to him too much. I think they step out of his shadow this year

Not Boat's fault, it just was what it was
 
No harm no foul @huskiesnyc. You know Im not trying to flame you. Just pointing out that Bazz was tough with his team because that is the role of your senior leader and boat was right to check guys too. Opinion.

This is not an original thought, I know, but how many of us would continue to laud Bazz's leadership with an Amidah front rim?

The only thing we know for sure is that Boat was by far and a way the best player on our team last year, and he improved his body language 10 fold since freshman year.
 
.-.
Kid hit 85% of his free throws last year.

Your success rate is far lower than that.
Boat was an important part of a championship team.

But sometimes when you hit 'em is more important than your percentage. Ask Skip Dillard.
 
Boat was an important part of a championship team.

But sometimes when you hit 'em is more important than your percentage. Ask Skip Dillard.
Pal just stop. I don't recall Boat missing FTs in the Championship game. When's more important than that?!
 
Leadership is a catch-all blame bucket when a team isn't very good.

Start rebounding the basketball and add a couple of players who can score and all of a sudden leadership won't be an issue.
When a team loses, they "lack leadership." When they win, they "had great leaders." Translation: everyone is making sh_t up after the games have been played.
Chemistry is the other catch-all blame bucket that people make up.
 


Well the elephant in the room from last years team has been removed so that should help leadership. This year the elephant is not only gone but could be replaced with what may turn out to be tremendous incentive to land in Houston. So the future road (no explosives) could then be paved with 30M diamonds even if it takes five years to travel down that road to get them.

Just a thought...jmho from my limited observations.
 
There may actually be a small rift between Boat and some others in the UCONN family. I don't think Boat graduated. He sorta bailed on the last NIT game. Maybe they need to get it out...Maybe Donny is just the guy...I'm just thinking out loud.
Boat didn't "bail" on the NIT game, he was injured by SMU in the first half during the AAC finals. Which was smart going on SMU's part because knocking him around was the only way they were going to win that game. He played hurt and was ineffective in the finals and and then sat out the NIT, but saying he bailed on the NIT game is absurd.
 
.-.
Everyone has an opinion and it is based on absolutely nothing.
Unless you, huskiesnyc or I wore a uniform and hung around the young man 50% of the day the past 4 years, none of us know squat
Boat was/is Boat and Bazz was/is Bazz - two different people but two great UConn players who have the ring(s) to flash

Do you know that you're agreeing with me?
 
There may actually be a small rift between Boat and some others in the UCONN family. I don't think Boat graduated. He sorta bailed on the last NIT game. Maybe they need to get it out...Maybe Donny is just the guy...I'm just thinking out loud.
:rolleyes:
 
Some tough fans.
First, I believe Marshall meant there wasn't enough leadership. I don't think he was going after Boat.
Boat was more of a point guard and more of a leader than I thought he was capable of being, He carried the team on his back for most of the season when no one else could even be trusted to handle the ball. When D.Ham and Purvis started doing something, he gladly distributed to them. I think people are forgetting how inept so much of the team was for so much of the season.
 
I don't care if you know players on the team. You don't know anything about the leadership, only the guys in the locker room know about leadership, and they likely won't tell you the whole story.
 
A couple of days after Shabazz signed with UConn in the spring I was lucky enough to meet George Blaney and have a one on one half hour conversation about the team and the new addition. He said that the team that previous year was missing leadership in the locker room and that fans were going to love Shabazz because of the swagger and the fact that he might even bring leadership as a freshman because he held teammates accountable. He was very self satisfied with the addition of Shabazz in terms of his talent and leadership being a perfect match to what the team needed. As it turned out, no one would now doubt that Kemba owned that team and stepped forward as a great leader, yet for whatever reason had not exerted himself in that role previously. Even a player like Shabazz with leadership skills himself, enrolled 100% behind Kemba. My point being that leadership could come from an existing player on the team like Purvis or Brimah that deferred to Boat, or from our experienced 5th year players like Gibbs and Miller, but, like Shabazz and El Amin before him, I believe Jalen Adams will either support the leader or step in and do it himself. Whenever I have seen him he is directing things the way El Amin did even during pickup games on his official visit. He takes the clutch game deciding shots and makes them like Shabazz. He spits in the eye of precocious competitors like Isiah Briscoe and says bring it on. At the same time he is all about team and keeps feeding the hot hand of a teammate and distributes the glory. I have no doubt we will be lead this year by proven players with Adams 100% enrolled (a la Shabazz), or Adams will fill the void himself by earning the respect of the team, (El Amin).
 
.-.
A couple of days after Shabazz signed with UConn in the spring I was lucky enough to meet George Blaney and have a one on one half hour conversation about the team and the new addition. He said that the team that previous year was missing leadership in the locker room and that fans were going to love Shabazz because of the swagger and the fact that he might even bring leadership as a freshman because he held teammates accountable. He was very self satisfied with the addition of Shabazz in terms of his talent and leadership being a perfect match to what the team needed. As it turned out, no one would now doubt that Kemba owned that team and stepped forward as a great leader, yet for whatever reason had not exerted himself in that role previously. Even a player like Shabazz with leadership skills himself, enrolled 100% behind Kemba. My point being that leadership could come from an existing player on the team like Purvis or Brimah that deferred to Boat, or from our experienced 5th year players like Gibbs and Miller, but, like Shabazz and El Amin before him, I believe Jalen Adams will either support the leader or step in and do it himself. Whenever I have seen him he is directing things the way El Amin did even during pickup games on his official visit. He takes the clutch game deciding shots and makes them like Shabazz. He spits in the eye of precocious competitors like Isiah Briscoe and says bring it on. At the same time he is all about team and keeps feeding the hot hand of a teammate and distributes the glory. I have no doubt we will be lead this year by proven players with Adams 100% enrolled (a la Shabazz), or Adams will fill the void himself by earning the respect of the team, (El Amin).
Thx for sharing. Have a good1.
 
If Shabazz pushed Boatright in a disappointing year like 2012, it would be viewed as the epitome of what was wrong with that team. If he does it during a championship year, it's viewed as the type of tough love that great leaders dole out.
While Bazz showed plenty of leadership in his day, that push wasn't a example of it. That was a guy losing his cool. Boat was the hero of that exchange.
 
Interesting quote from Donny Marshall in this article.

http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn...ny-marshall-bullying-0818-20150817-story.html

"I get the unfiltered Ollie because of our relationship. He is optimistic because now he has players with leadership qualities to go with players who can score and understand how to play defense," Marshall said.

"They were lacking some leaders last year. I think we can see UConn get back to where we want them to be."


So was Boatright not a good leader? I don't think Brimah was ready for that role last year so I doubt he helped much in the leadership department even though he was a captain. So does Ollie think that Gibbs and Miller, both as 5th year D1 players even though this is their first and only year here at UConn, are going to be good leaders? I'm just curious what exactly that quote means.
I love the Boat but sometimes he would be visibly down when he was having a bad game. Good leaders need to be up all the time.
 
Who are the leaders? Gibbs and Miller? Because other than that we have the same guys we had last year, plus freshmen (who usually arent team leaders). Or did some of our guys develop into leaders that werent leaders last year? Those are the question that go on in my head. We wont know much until we see the guys take the court though.
 
Who are the leaders? Gibbs and Miller? Because other than that we have the same guys we had last year, plus freshmen (who usually arent team leaders). Or did some of our guys develop into leaders that weren't leaders last year? Those are the question that go on in my head. We wont know much until we see the guys take the court though.
As the point was made before RE: Kemba in 2011, don't underestimate the chemistry changes that take place when senior leaders leave. This isn't a knock on Boat, I'm of the mind that he was in fact a great team leader, but his absence stirs the drink. When a new person at the top steps up, it shifts the entire hierarchy and can have a dramatic effect, even with the same guys.
 
.-.
While Bazz showed plenty of leadership in his day, that push wasn't a example of it. That was a guy losing his cool. Boat was the hero of that exchange.

You must know the exchange then? Because I don't so I have no idea who was right in that exchange. It could be that the push was well deserved because of a remark or attitude given, or it could be it was not. I doubt anyone really knows if there even was a "hero" in that particular moment.
 
You must know the exchange then? Because I don't so I have no idea who was right in that exchange. It could be that the push was well deserved because of a remark or attitude given, or it could be it was not. I doubt anyone really knows if there even was a "hero" in that particular moment.
Boat took it, he didn't let his emotions take over. That's admirable in that big spot. And what the hell would constitute "well-deserved" right there? The guy was playing his balls off, hurt no less.
 
There were times last season, especially late in close games, where the team seemed like it could have benefited from more leaders. Therefore, I am not shocked by Donny's comment about that. I did not see it as an attack on any individual. It was just a young team.

On the flip side, it is great to hear the optimism about this season and that there appear to be leaders in place. We know the talent is there. If the chemistry, of which leadership is a critical piece, comes together things will be fun!
 
Boat took it, he didn't let his emotions take over. That's admirable in that big spot. And what the hell would constitute "well-deserved" right there? The guy was playing his balls off, hurt no less.

Pretty sure the other guy was playing his balls off also. Hurt or not if you're not listening and someone needs to do something to ensure you are then do it. It's not tittly winks it's a national championship and they're big boys. There was a reason for it nonetheless and since we don't know, hard to call. Both were quite important to the result so I could care less about a passionate exchange.
 
One senior leader (Boatright) isn't enough. Look back to '13-14 and you'll realize that Bazz had two other seniors who had been through extreme highs and lows (Giffey and Olander), a grad transfer who already had a degree (Kromah) and two respected upperclassmen who contributed heavily on the court (Boat and D). That's a huge amount of leadership to lose over the course of an offseason. It doesn't matter how good or bad of a leader Boat was, he didn't have anyone behind him and that's what hurt us.
 
Boat didn't "bail" on the NIT game, he was injured by SMU in the first half during the AAC finals. Which was smart going on SMU's part because knocking him around was the only way they were going to win that game. He played hurt and was ineffective in the finals and and then sat out the NIT, but saying he bailed on the NIT game is absurd.

I don't think it's absurd at all. A very reliable source has claimed we had a leadership issue last year. The source didn't just diagnose the issue himself. The source claims that assessment comes directly from our head coach. Flashback to the last game of last years season. Our primary leader doesn't play in the last game of the year and he publicly said he would have played in a more important NCAA game. Not playing (combined with that statement) just may have rubbed some players/coaches the wrong way. I would not be surprised if someone on the team used that exact word (bailed).
 
.-.
Status
Not open for further replies.

Forum statistics

Threads
168,223
Messages
4,558,007
Members
10,442
Latest member
StatsMan


Top Bottom