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The problem lies with your inability to comprehend that NBA GM's are the ones telling Calhoun Lamb's draft status. This is NOT Calhoun guessing where he will go. Relaying the draft status of a player is not rushing a player into the NBA. You continue to act as if NBA GM's are not telling Calhoun where they think Lamb will be drafted, as if Calhoun is lying to his player. What benefit would that have for the program or the player?

What benefit does the NBA GM have in telling the truth about where a player is going to be drafted? Why not? I can see a situation where they flood the market with marginal players (not that JL is) and hope that the team drafting ahead of you makes a mistake (or their needs) which allows you to draft the player you want.
 
What benefit does the NBA GM have in telling the truth about where a player is going to be drafted? Why not? I can see a situation where they flood the market with marginal players (not that JL is) and hope that the team drafting ahead of you makes a mistake (or their needs) which allows you to draft the player you want.

I'd imagine Jim Calhoun has been talking to NBA GMs and execs for 20 years or so. I think he knows which ones to trust.
 
I think the NBA scouts are confusing Jeremy Lamb with Doron Lamb.

I like Doron Lamb quite a bit, but 6'3" SGs w/o great athleticism or great length aren't going in the top 10. Also, not to diminish his skills and how impressive he played, but he also benefited from having 4 other players on the court with him that had to be guarded and he played on a team that knew how to run an offense, Jeremy wasn't afforded that luxury.
 
It is Calhoun's job to do the best thing for his players. When they come here, they become his responsibility. He's doing the right thing by his players. His past projections for draft position based on conversations with GMs have always been pretty close.
That isn't exactly true. Calhoun is hired by the University of connecticut and its actually his job to do what is best for his employer.asically to win basketball games within the rules. This isn't Miracle on 34th Street where the Macys Santa Kris Kringle tells the mother that she can get the toy truck cheaper at Gimbles. But one could argue that by properly advising his players it makes it easier to recruit other good players and hence he is doing what is best for the University in the long run, while in the short run it may not be in his employer's best interest. It isn't in the best interest of the Hartford for its head of sales to tell a client he can get better coverage from Travellers. Though it might be worth it to build a relationship for future deals.
 
Yes. The NBA may be boring, but it is by no means "bad"
I guess it depends on how you define bad. I've conceded from the beginning that the players are better, but simply having better players doesn't translate into a better game, or maybe a more entertaining game is a better way of putting it. I find the NBA passionless for the most part except late in the playoffs, and not particularly entertaining. And more or less predictable. In a word, boring. Others disagree, which is fine but overall it is a matter of personal preference. Doesn't mean one side is right and one wrong. Only that we have different ways of looking at it.
 
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That isn't exactly true. Calhoun is hired by the University of connecticut and its actually his job to do what is best for his employer.asically to win basketball games within the rules. This isn't Miracle on 34th Street where the Macys Santa Kris Kringle tells the mother that she can get the toy truck cheaper at Gimbles. But one could argue that by properly advising his players it makes it easier to recruit other good players and hence he is doing what is best for the University in the long run, while in the short run it may not be in his employer's best interest. It isn't in the best interest of the Hartford for its head of sales to tell a client he can get better coverage from Travellers. Though it might be worth it to build a relationship for future deals.

It's not exactly false either. A professor hired by a state university certainly has a more realistic expectation that he is hired to serve the public good, and the interests of his students, than an insurance salesman hired by a private company has.
 
Wow, a lot is going on in this thread. Here's my 2 cents:

Anyone who thinks that UK or any college team that finishes on top can beat the worst NBA team in a given year likely doesn't watched many NBA games. I'm always amazed at how well and how easy most NBA players are at knocking down open and moderately contested shots. In the college game there are few players you can count on knocking down those same shots at anywhere close to the same clip.

In fact, I sometimes find the NBA game boring when they're not in post-season mode where they actually defend for long stretches of the game, where each team goes down and hits shot after shot from all over the floor.

In the college game, you just hope your team can make shots on a few consecutive trips down the floor during a few stretches of a given game. All in all, the shooting and finishing skills at the NBA level is leaps and bounds higher than what you see in the college game. Now there are a handful of players on some of the rosters who aren't good shooters, but those are the ones who are either rebounding/defensive specialists or ones that excel at certain skills on the offensive end such as driving and/or dishing (Rondo) or dunking. Enough with this one.

As for where Lamb might get drafted, I think his stock took a hit this season and it might take an even bigger hit once he begins to work out for teams. Someone listed 7 players they thought that would get drafted over JL and wasn't sure if he'd find more if he kept on digging. Lamb's skill set and deficiencies IMO are really tough to gauge as far as how those will play out at the next level. Here's some bullets on this:

The Good:

Shot-making - There's little doubt that when given enough room, Lamb is one of the best shot-makers in college. He finishes around the basket and from mid-range at a high level. He has NBA range on his 3-ball. He has the best floater I've seen since the Ice Man, George Gervin.

Long Reach and Great Hands - Not talked about often, which is common for guards, few guards have better hands than Lamb. He's very good with receiving the ball and is a very good rebounder for guard due to his long reach and big hands. Rarely did you see him bobble a defensive rebound. It was like watching Spiderman snatch some really tough in-traffic rebounds this past season.

Ball Handling - For a long armed player, he handles the ball very well, especially in the open floor.

The Not So Good:

Lacks a quick first step and overall strength - This impacts his game, and not in a good way, especially at the next level. Lamb really struggled to drive by good to average defenders when given the ball at the top of the key w/out any momentum. Part of this was due to a lack of a first step burst and a lack of strength, but maybe also due to a lack of confidence in this part of his game. IMO, it's this part of his game that may have caused his stock to drop. Now maybe if he works hard on his foot work and in the weight room he can make up for this deficiency. Many NBA players who aren't super quick have learned to be able to get the corner on their defender using their strength and ball handling. Once such a player can get that half step on the defender the strong ones can ward off the defender and either draw the foul or get around them. I'm on the fence if JL can improve enough in this area or has enough other attributes to overcome it to become a Lottery worthy pick. Add 20 pounds of muscle, work hard on drills to improve that first step and gain better instincts how to go early with his drive or do something that gets his defender leaning the wrong way, and maybe he can overcome this issue so that he can dominate using his other skills listed above.

Not a good defender - This is directly related to the above. Stronger and Quicker NBA guards are going to get a step on him and blow right by him. He's not nearly quick or strong enough to defend the 1, 2 or 3...hum...any position to that matter at the next level. This has been a problem for Rip & Ben their entire careers. Neither are strong enough and for whatever reason both have horrible defensive instincts. Hooper and I have discussed this and scratched our heads for years about this one. It always amazes us how a player who seems plenty quick to create their own shot can be so bad at keeping their man in front of them. On the ball defending and staying with a player through screens is a factor of quickness, strength, reaction time and instincts. I'm convinced that a great deal of it is with the latter two since I've seen quick players who s*ck at D and not-so-quick ones surprisingly hold their own. If Lamb can learn to improve a little bit in those 3 areas plus use those long arms, he could develop into a solid enough defender and not be a liability. But that's a a lot of ifs. Few bad defenders coming into the NBA develop in this area, but some do. The ones that do, worked the asses off to get there. I'm just not sure if Lamb has that type of work ethic. Taking extra time to work on your shot is one thing. Taking extra time to work in the weight room and on your foot work and drills that lend themselves to the defensive end of the floor, is another thing.

Not a 4th quarter guy - I must admit, I was surprised that like Rudy, Lamb did a nice job on his late game disappearing act. Now a big part of this is likely due to teams making sure that he did not beat them late in games. As a #3 or 4 option early on in his NBA career, he might actually find more space to score than he did at UConn this past season. We all know what he can do when he has the space to get off his shot. But we are talking about a potential Lottery Pick where by his 3rd season you'd hope he will develop into a 1st or 2nd option on offense where he's going to find the opponents top defenders standing between him and the basket. Will he be the type of scorer that warrants a lottery pick or are there others in this draft that have a higher likelihood of being more productive long term players.

I wonder if JL is sort of a 2/3 tweener. We're use to seeing the 3/4 tweeners like Donyell, Sticks and Roscoe. Ones that aren't strong enough to play the 4 or quick enough to play the 3. In Lambs case, he's not big enough to play the 3 in the NBA and I'm not sure he's quick enough to play the 2. As I pointed out above, maybe he has enough in him to close the gap on his deficiencies so that he can excel in the areas where he's special.

The Conclusion:

So this brings me to my concluding remarks. The real question at hand is not necessarily how high he might get drafted but is will his stock be higher after one more season? Let's assume his draft position either dropped from what it would have been last season or at most improved slightly, if he has another season where he shows moderate to little improvement, NBA GMs are likely going to believe that he has a low upside and that some of these deficiencies are going to limit him at the next level. On the other hand, if he can work on his deficiencies and show that he can score off the dribble and defend better, his stock could soar high up the lottery ladder. I can never remember how many lottery picks there are, nor have I looked at any of the mock drafts lately, but I'm inclined to think based on the players he's competing with, he's going to get picked in that 12 to 16 range. Sometimes team needs and style of play will play a factor in this. I wish we had seen a lot more screen-catch-and-shoot from him this season, ala Rip Hamilton. He's much better when he gets the ball with a little space and while moving. There are teams that have offenses that lend itself to players with this skill set, but for whatever reason we saw little of this for JL.

I'm inclined to think that it would be best for him to enter the draft and be satisfied wherever he lands. I think he runs the risk of falling even further if he returns, plus the money he leaves at the table that he would be making this upcoming season. Unless he believes he can really improve his game, I think he'd be taking a huge chance by returning to UConn. I hope he does, but I doubt it. If he were able to improve in those areas he could have a monster year and be a lot of fun to watch. A 10 to 15 pound stronger Lamb at the college level would be fun to watch.
 
It's not exactly false either. A professor hired by a state university certainly has a more realistic expectation that he is hired to serve the public good, and the interests of his students, than an insurance salesman hired by a private company has.
To an extent that's true, but his first and foremost responsibility is to win basketball games without violating the myirad of NCAA rules that apply ot the program. If he does that, and Calhoun certainly has, then it matters not a bit whether he is Mother Teresa or a Mother F*&$ker to his players, quite honestly. Really his sole responsiblity to them is to coach them at basketball to the best of his ability and to mkae sure they take the steps to remain eligible to play basketball. Now in the real world, things aren't that easily seperated and it is more of question of degrees than a bright line between serving his players and serving the University...but I still think that his first responsibility is to the University.
 
Um, they play 8 more minutes of a game?! That has a huge role in it. Also, they have a 24 second shot clock vs. a 35 second shot clock. Plus, the best offensive talent in the world...

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Jeremy Lamb is a lottery pick. Forget whatever about his defense, no one cares. Lamb has the ability to consistently drop 20 points every night in the NBA. He's got a mid-range floater that will make him millions. In addition, he won't have to make his own shot in the NBA. Surely, he'll work on that...but he's going to be with elite point guards that will give him the ball at the right time.

He is not going to improve anything coming back here. I don't know why UConn fans are delusional that another year will benefit him. His money-maker is his shot. He's already got that. He's always had that. End of story. Unless you're a defensive whiz, nobody in the NCAA will translate directly into NBA defense. Think about it...when's the last time someone was drafted for defense (and actually became a star/succeeded well in the NBA) Then compare that to how many pure shooters turned into stars in the NBA. HUGE discrepancy.

Third, Drummond should go. He's pretty much the consensus 2/3 pick in the draft. He has ZERO opportunity to improve that next year. The kid is a freak athlete and he needs to be playing against more freak athletes to develop his skill. The kid would have gone straight to the NBA if he could have originally, I'm not sure what's holding him up.

If anyone thinks that Lamb/Drummond should come back, you're just selfish. Both of these kids are in a great position to get drafted and they gain almost nothing by staying at UConn. Regardless, both will be gone before they finish their degree anyway, so let 'em go. And I'll wish them the best of luck in the NBA.

I disagree on Drummond. Nine times out of ten a kid projected to go in the top ten would be foolish to come back, but Drummond is a bit of a different case. You're talking about a basketball player with more physical gifts than anybody in the NBA besides maybe a select few. He's close to seven feet tall, he has the body to put on a lot of muscle, his baseline to baseline speed is insane for somebody his size, and he can jump out of the gym. But this isn't just a kid who needs to "work on his skills", he needs to learn how to play the game. The NBA isn't going to teach you how to play the game, even if you're as talented as Drummond. In the NBA you're thrown into the fire, and I fear Drummond will be abused by more savy, skilled players who are nearly as athletic. Heck, he had trouble keeping up against the more veteran college players this year.

I could be wrong, and I don't think anybody would blame him for cashing in on his talents and joining the NBA. I just fear he would be feeding himselves to the wolves if he left at this moment, raw as he is. The NBA will certainly work with him, and his skills will improve, I just feel he can mature more as a competitor and as a basketball player by returning to school.

Lamb on the other hand, has little to gain by returning for his junior year. What he lacks (explosion off the dribble, latteral quickness, strength) is unlikely to improve much through another year of college. If you think about it Drummond and Lamb are almost in exact opposite situations. Lamb has physical gifts, but not nearly as many as Drummond. He was just a kid born to play basketball. Drummond is sitting on a winning lottery ticket and I think Calhoun is the best guy to get everything out of him.
 
Sorry, unless I missed something isn't JC the head coach of the Huskies or is he now a sports agent? Getting guys drafted high is an agent's job, not the coach at a university's job. A coach's job should be to try to get kids to stay in school as long as possible to hopefully get their degrees or come close not to push them into the NBA. If you're correct, that this is what JC is doing, maybe this is how we got into the APR mess we're in? I say a little more focus on the education side and less on the NBA side is overdue.

Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. First of all, Calhoun convincing Jeremy to go pro has nothing to do with the APR. As long as he finishes up his sophmore year in good standing he will receive full points for his services. Secondly, Calhoun's first responsibility is to look out for the best interest of his kids. I don't know which coach said it, but it was something along the lines of, "You can go make money or you can come back and make me money". Calhoun convincing Lamb to return to school would be in his best interests, not Jeremy's. Do you think that's what a parent wants to hear when a coach is sitting down to recruit his or her son?

Should John Calipari beg Anthony Davis to return to school so he can get closer to his degree? Just ridiculous.
 
Wait no one on this board can be dumb enough to actually believe UK would beat the Bobcats right? Vegas released a line because so many morons were saying this and it was Bobcats -30, that is right 30.

Also, the people bad mouthing the NBA are just ignorant, we played a national championship game in which a total of 94 points were scored. Butler made a total of 6 shots over 20 minuets of play. FG % and the overall college game has been deteriorating at a rapid rate. I still like the college game more because of the intangibles and my love for UConn, but the NBA game is light years ahead right now.
 
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Sorry, unless I missed something isn't JC the head coach of the Huskies or is he now a sports agent? Getting guys drafted high is an agent's job, not the coach at a university's job. A coach's job should be to try to get kids to stay in school as long as possible to hopefully get their degrees or come close not to push them into the NBA. If you're correct, that this is what JC is doing, maybe this is how we got into the APR mess we're in? I say a little more focus on the education side and less on the NBA side is overdue.

You sound foolish. These kids are here to play basketball, they are "pre-NBA", like some other students are "pre-law" or "pre-med", JC's job is to make sure they in the best position to succeed at the next level and to go to the NBA when the time is right. Telling someone like Anthony Davis to stay in school and get his degree is doing the player a major injustice.

Also,you really need to educate your self on the APR.
 
I seriously doubt Andre Drummond would get significantly better in one more year at college than he would in an NBA D-league. He's in the 2-5 draft range. He should go. End of story.

Don't draw parallels to Thabeet. He had 3 years in college and was dominant and it clearly didn't translate over. But I think maybe people saw that coming. Drummond is a freak show and has 100x more potential than Thabeet ever had. Now that the NBA D-league is actually functional now (more so than in the past), he doesn't risk sitting on the bench of a team. And chances are, if he makes an NBA roster, he'll be playing for a pathetically bad team and will get plenty of opportunities to prove himself.

How will Drummond benefit from another year? Averaging 18 points and 11 rebounds a game? Who cares...people already know he has that ability? Show that he's a defensive whiz? The NBA defense is so different that he'll need to relearn it anyway and Drummond possesses the raw skills to get it done.

And this is why I say that anyone saying Drummond should return is just selfish. NBA coaches think the potential is there now and that will not change to anything better in one year. He's already riding the mass hype. One more year of college will in no way guarantee him a better contract in the future, nor can you say that the chance is even better; because for every one you find that was the case, I'm sure you could find one where that wasn't the case. The NBA draft has always and will always be based on potential. When he gets into the NBA, then he can worry about the next step. But not one ounce of what he does next year in college would guarantee him a better contract. This isn't the NFL!
 
DM I agree with a lot of what you wrote, but I think your point about him not being a "fourth quarter guy" is way off base. Lamb didn't excel at the end of games this season simply because he's not good at breaking his man down off the dribble. Unfortunately, Jeremy set the bar very high this season by going off for 30 points in his first game. He's a really good player, one of the best in the country, but he's not one of those guys that's going to say "hop on my back, I'm dropping 40 tonight". He's a great pure scorer, but he's also dependent on a good point guard and big men who can set good screens. It also helps when, like last year, he's the second or third option instead of the first. With Kemba drawing ten eyes at the end of games last season, Lamb was able to free himself often and knockdown huge shots. It's not that he isn't an end of game player, it's just that his skill set is not conducive to hitting that shot at the buzzer. The difference between this year and last year is that Lamb was covered better off the ball, it wasn't the disappearing act that many on here make it out to be. JMO
 
Dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. First of all, Calhoun convincing Jeremy to go pro has nothing to do with the APR. As long as he finishes up his sophmore year in good standing he will receive full points for his services. Secondly, Calhoun's first responsibility is to look out for the best interest of his kids. I don't know which coach said it, but it was something along the lines of, "You can go make money or you can come back and make me money". Calhoun convincing Lamb to return to school would be in his best interests, not Jeremy's. Do you think that's what a parent wants to hear when a coach is sitting down to recruit his or her son?

Should John Calipari beg Anthony Davis to return to school so he can get closer to his degree? Just ridiculous.
I can see my point went right over your head so let me put it more simply. If a program continues to send marginal talent to the NBA it runs the risk of creating a culture where academics has no importance. Thus the reason I mention APR. If every Joe thinks he's going pro beginning their freshman year and people don't try to dissuade them, you don't think it erodes kids' focus on working towards graduation and thereby hurts APR?? As for bringing Kentucky into the discussion, is that the type of program you want UCONN to be? First, we'd need to bring in a class of ultra-talented studs every year like they do, and second, as other posters gave written, implement a cupcake course schedule to keep them in good academic standing for their first year to protect our APR. As for your comment about Anthony Davis, there's a big difference between a guy being the consensus top pick and a guy going mid to late first round. I have no problem with the elite players going pro. I do have a problem with the Marcus Williams, Josh Boone's and others of the world doing it. That is my point.
 
Lamb runs the risk every year that a Freshmen like Bradley Beals comes out, pulls it together at the right time, has the x quotient and the buzz, and then Jeremy slips to 2nd best SG available and not quite good enough (unique size and physicality) to be a top 10 pick. No surprise there. Top 10 picks are loaded with Centers, PFs, and top flight PGs. Size, ball handling and physical growth potential.

As far as JC talking with Scouts I'm sure they tell him their gut feel and there are usually caveats: who else comes out; international players; trades; workouts.

IIRC Josh Boone 'surprised' JC so no I don't believe something JC blurts out to the press is NBA Draft Gospel 60 days from now.
 
Why did Sullinger return for another year? If it was the lockout, why did Kemba leave? When a kid from another team returns, we say he had other reasons. When a UConn kid is projected to be a lottery pick only a fool would think he could possibly have any good reason to risk losing his draft spot and the money that goes along with it. Why are UConn fans in such a hurry to kick our players out of the nest? Maybe Jeremy has the same reasons to return as Sullinger did......whatever those reasons may be.......
 
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I guess it depends on how you define bad. I've conceded from the beginning that the players are better, but simply having better players doesn't translate into a better game, or maybe a more entertaining game is a better way of putting it. I find the NBA passionless for the most part except late in the playoffs, and not particularly entertaining. And more or less predictable. In a word, boring. Others disagree, which is fine but overall it is a matter of personal preference. Doesn't mean one side is right and one wrong. Only that we have different ways of looking at it.

I would say that the NBA was better in the Magic-Bird era. It sucked in the Jordan era, and slowly got better. Right now, defense is a much bigger focus, and it's a better game. The rules changes on D have helped.

But I enjoy the college game more because unlike most other sports, like football and soccer, that are just better when the execution is better, NBA athletes have exceeded the limitations of the court and hoop. The game was not designed to be played as it is today. The fans of the women's game enjoy basketball below the rim. I feel the same way about good Ivy teams. It's a more elegant and team oriented sport below the rim. So while I can be awed by the athleticism of the NBA game, it's a bit like watching major league baseball players play in a little league park. Some of the beauty is lost. It's entirely too easy for them.
 
I seriously doubt Andre Drummond would get significantly better in one more year at college than he would in an NBA D-league. He's in the 2-5 draft range. He should go. End of story.

Don't draw parallels to Thabeet. He had 3 years in college and was dominant and it clearly didn't translate over. But I think maybe people saw that coming. Drummond is a freak show and has 100x more potential than Thabeet ever had. Now that the NBA D-league is actually functional now (more so than in the past), he doesn't risk sitting on the bench of a team. And chances are, if he makes an NBA roster, he'll be playing for a pathetically bad team and will get plenty of opportunities to prove himself.

How will Drummond benefit from another year? Averaging 18 points and 11 rebounds a game? Who cares...people already know he has that ability? Show that he's a defensive whiz? The NBA defense is so different that he'll need to relearn it anyway and Drummond possesses the raw skills to get it done.

And this is why I say that anyone saying Drummond should return is just selfish. NBA coaches think the potential is there now and that will not change to anything better in one year. He's already riding the mass hype. One more year of college will in no way guarantee him a better contract in the future, nor can you say that the chance is even better; because for every one you find that was the case, I'm sure you could find one where that wasn't the case. The NBA draft has always and will always be based on potential. When he gets into the NBA, then he can worry about the next step. But not one ounce of what he does next year in college would guarantee him a better contract. This isn't the NFL!

I'm sorry -- you think everyone knows he has the ability to average 18 and 11? I don't know that. I know he has some of the physical tools that would allow one to average 18 and 11, but I have no clue if he has any of the mental tools (desire, basketball sense, concentration) to do so.
 
I'm sorry -- you think everyone knows he has the ability to average 18 and 11? I don't know that. I know he has some of the physical tools that would allow one to average 18 and 11, but I have no clue if he has any of the mental tools (desire, basketball sense, concentration) to do so.

And you don't think mental tools change considering whether you're in the NCAA or NBA? If you get a pay check, I'd imagine desire and concentration would be at the forefront unless you hate the game...which then, you shouldn't be playing.
 
I'll phrase it this way:

To UConn fans: Drummond has something to prove.

To NBA scouts: Drummond has (almost) nothing to prove.

And I'll kindly bow out of this conversation here. Commence trolling, trolls.
 
And you don't think mental tools change considering whether you're in the NCAA or NBA? If you get a pay check, I'd imagine desire and concentration would be at the forefront unless you hate the game...which then, you shouldn't be playing.

Not every young man has the ability to focus on a task for two hours. Not every young man can feel or understand what everyone around him is doing on the court. I know coaches think I can teach anything but athleticism, but it's just not true.

You think Drummond didn't try this year because he wasn't being paid? O.K., that's possible I guess, but most athletes in college don't ever get paid to do it and most athletes in college try their butts off. I know I did.
 
I can see my point went right over your head so let me put it more simply. If a program continues to send marginal talent to the NBA it runs the risk of creating a culture where academics has no importance. Thus the reason I mention APR. If every Joe thinks he's going pro beginning their freshman year and people don't try to dissuade them, you don't think it erodes kids' focus on working towards graduation and thereby hurts APR?? As for bringing Kentucky into the discussion, is that the type of program you want UCONN to be? First, we'd need to bring in a class of ultra-talented studs every year like they do, and second, as other posters gave written, implement a cupcake course schedule to keep them in good academic standing for their first year to protect our APR. As for your comment about Anthony Davis, there's a big difference between a guy being the consensus top pick and a guy going mid to late first round. I have no problem with the elite players going pro. I do have a problem with the Marcus Williams, Josh Boone's and others of the world doing it. That is my point.

What basis do you have to say Marcus Williams and Josh Boone shouldn't have gone pro? If you're a first round pick, and feel your ready for the NBA, what reason is there to return to school? If either of those guys had returned to school chances are their stocks would have dropped and they'd be a lot worse off financially right now. There are only 30 kids in the country good enough to be selected in the first round, so I think calling them "any joe" is overstating it a bit.

Again, I can kind of see what you're trying to say with the academics issue, but I don't think it applies much, if at all to most situations. Has Calhoun created a culture where academics don't matter or one where players are allowed to chase their dreams if they're good enough to be picked in the first round? Like it or not, most basketball players at major programs like UConn are athletes first, students second, and frankly, I have no problem with it. If a Jeremy Lamb wants to lighten up his coursework during the spring semester so he can prepare himself for the draft, all the power to him. It would be silly to say, "Sorry, Jeremy, you can't get your shots up today because you have to study for that advanced bio test tomorrow".

I'm not saying we should necessarily model our program after Kentucky, but their are certanly a lot more similarities between those two schools than there are between UConn and Princeton. UConn recruits a lot of top 100 kids who are likely to have a career in basketball, whether it be over seas or in the NBA. Obviously it is nice to be working towards a backup plan, but again, if a kid weighs school work over basketball would he really be taking off across the country every week during the Winter semester? I'm not saying school isn't important, it's just that most of these kids are going to be making their money as an athlete and not as a student.
 
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I'll phrase it this way:

To UConn fans: Drummond has something to prove.

To NBA scouts: Drummond has (almost) nothing to prove.

And I'll kindly bow out of this conversation here. Commence trolling, trolls.

Yeah, he has nothing to prove if he wants to get drafted in the top ten. That doesn't mean it is in his best interests to leave now. Scouts see in Drummond what everybody else can see in him. You're looking at this situation from a very narrow perspective, one in which the only possible correct move to make is to go pro right now. Consider the pros and cons of declaring for the draft right now:

Benefits of going pro:
-Immediate money, set for life
-Chance to get better every day against some of the best basketball players in the world, while collecting a lofty pay check.
-Opportunities to work with some of the best trainers, coaches, and teammates in the world.

Benefits of returning to school:
-He gets another year to grow into a man through Big East competition and Jim Calhoun coaching--a kid who is willing to bang bodies in the Big East will have no problem doing it in the NBA
-He stays at a level closer to where he is as a player right now, eliminating the risk of entering the draft and overwhelming himself.
-Has the opportunity to develop not just his physical skills, but also his intangibles (I.E. the ability to dominate a game)--if you're ever going to dominate in the NBA you better first learn to dominate inferior athletes
-One on one coaching from one of the best teachers at any level in Jim Calhoun
-Better understanding of how to play the game (I.E. how to post up, how to play help side defense, how to screen, back to the basket moves, defensive rotations, passing out of the post, etc. etc.). These are all skills that ideally, a player should know before entering the draft.
-Prepares himself (in my opinion) for a long, successful career rather than a shorter, more limited one.
 
DM I agree with a lot of what you wrote, but I think your point about him not being a "fourth quarter guy" is way off base. Lamb didn't excel at the end of games this season simply because he's not good at breaking his man down off the dribble. Unfortunately, Jeremy set the bar very high this season by going off for 30 points in his first game. He's a really good player, one of the best in the country, but he's not one of those guys that's going to say "hop on my back, I'm dropping 40 tonight". He's a great pure scorer, but he's also dependent on a good point guard and big men who can set good screens. It also helps when, like last year, he's the second or third option instead of the first. With Kemba drawing ten eyes at the end of games last season, Lamb was able to free himself often and knockdown huge shots. It's not that he isn't an end of game player, it's just that his skill set is not conducive to hitting that shot at the buzzer. The difference between this year and last year is that Lamb was covered better off the ball, it wasn't the disappearing act that many on here make it out to be. JMO
Lamb made some big time shots late in games during that 11 game run last year, but how much of that was helped by teams focusing on stopping Kemba? You do make a good point, which I also alluded to in that he's not good right now at breaking his man off the dribble, but that's what you need to do in the NBA unless you're a complimentary player. That's why I think JL won't get drafted as high as some fans think and would be best suited to be picked by a team that either runs a lot of stuff to free up jump-shooters and/or has a very good PG that is good at breaking down his man. Maybe his value is higher than I'm giving him credit for if a team in the lower half of the lottery has that type of player who can get the ball to JL with a little space and some forward momentum. He always seems at his best when receives that ball while he already has some forward momentum, cutting into the lane from an angle.

Don't get me wrong. I enjoy watching him play and hope he turns out to be an outstanding pro. I'm just simply on the fence as to how much of his game will translate to the next level. If he learn to create more space, I think those other skills pop.
 
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