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OT: Kyle Neptune/Cam Whitmore

Husky25 said:
Boeheim similarly cut down his own players and coached at Syracuse for 40 years.
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True, he would just kill guys. But it's easier to pull off with a track record.
 
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businesslawyer said:
Would everyone read the facts that are being set forth as opposed to writers adjectives added around the facts? Stating that Karaban should have been conference Freshman OTY over Whittemore is stating a reasonable opinion that many people -- including myself -- have. In no fair use of the English language is that statement "trashing" Whittemore. The opposite of setting forth complete and unqualified praise is not "trashing."
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Yes. All we know for sure is that Ryen Russillo is attacking or slandering Kyle Neptune. We don't know if Ryen Russillo is honest, and even if he is accurately reporting what Neptune said to NBA GMs, as you say that doesn't show that Neptune was "trashing" Whitmore. At this point there's no reason to consider Russillo, who's been arrested for criminal entry while nude and intoxicated, more trustworthy than Neptune.
 
pj said:
Yes. All we know for sure is that Ryen Russillo is attacking or slandering Kyle Neptune. We don't know if Ryen Russillo is honest, and even if he is accurately reporting what Neptune said to NBA GMs, as you say that doesn't show that Neptune was "trashing" Whitmore. At this point there's no reason to consider Russillo, who's been arrested for criminal entry while nude and intoxicated, more trustworthy than Neptune.
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This is lame, like really lame.

Everyone makes mistakes, I know Ryen A LITTLE bit, by no means am I a source or someone connected in circles, but I think that this was incredibly lame of you to do. He's a good dude, and heavily connected in NBA circles - so if he said this, he definitely has enough sources.

What I can say, and this is truly my opinion that Jay Wright grossly misread the situation, handed Neptune (someone IMO who looked wholly overmatched all season) a 2nd weekend of the NCAAs roster and he misses the tournament. Not to mention his players essentially quit on him as the season ended which led to a BET blowout.

I also go back to our early season thrashing of 'Nova when Neptune stuck his chest out (on the road) and then threw up his hands like a professional wrestler with a ketchup packet when Andre Jackson "gently ushered him out of the way" when the game started to get a bit chippy.

In summation: Nepture is a loser, Ryen Rusillo is not
 
M.S.G. said:
This is lame, like really lame.

Everyone makes mistakes, I know Ryen A LITTLE bit, by no means am I a source or someone connected in circles, but I think that this was incredibly lame of you to do. He's a good dude, and heavily connected in NBA circles - so if he said this, he definitely has enough sources.

What I can say, and this is truly my opinion that Jay Wright grossly misread the situation, handed Neptune (someone IMO who looked wholly overmatched all season) a 2nd weekend of the NCAAs roster and he misses the tournament. Not to mention his players essentially quit on him as the season ended which led to a BET blowout.

I also go back to our early season thrashing of 'Nova when Neptune stuck his chest out (on the road) and then threw up his hands like a professional wrestler with a ketchup packet when Andre Jackson "gently ushered him out of the way" when the game started to get a bit chippy.

In summation: Nepture is a loser, Ryen Rusillo is not
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Maybe so. I took the note on Russillo from Wikipedia, if that event is unrepresentative of his character or if Wikipedia mis-stated the truth, my apologies to him. I make no claims about Kyle Neptune either.

But, I do align with businesslawyer that Russillo's tweet was shameful. Russillo passed along a supposed quote from Neptune, which was a perfectly reasonable thing to think or say, and described it as Neptune "trashing" Whitmore. That characterization is out of line.
 
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The impossibility of replacing a legend is still batting 1.000. Best of luck to Adrian Autry, he will need it.
 
Let's be honest folks, WE didn't understand based on BE games, team performance, eye test and stats why some had Whitmore as a #6-10 draft pick. He was good not great and disappeared at times. We liked Karaban better.
Then it is widely reported that he gave bad interviews to NBA teams.
= #20 seems about right with or without whatever the coach said or didn't say AND that has to be far down the list on draft pick determinants.

I also agree with those saying coaches need to be honest in their assessments AND that its likely the press is spinning a neutral comment from the coach as 'trashing' the kid. Ultimately he was drafted in the first round after one OK year in college and has a guaranteed contract on a team that will give him an opportunity to play. This is a pretty good outcome, I doubt it has a major effect on Villanova going forward.
Ultimately (as we know well), coaches are evaluated based on how well they do at the primary mission of the job which is of course measured and reflected in a teams record.
 
The GMs saw the same thing we all saw on the court a player with all the tools who didn't seem to put in the effort on the court and wasn't particularly well liked by his teammates. They asked and he answered
 
Gee, and I thought he might have fallen because he didn't accomplish anything in college

Maybe journalistic hype and scouting reports didn't jive

Maybe he didn't interview well himself

Or maybe Neptune was giving his honest opinion. Maybe his honor means something to him. IDK
 
From my vantage point I look at I who has the most incentive to say Kyle Neptune badmouthed Cam and that would indeed be Cam’s agent. Better to blame his former and first year coach rather than your fellow agents and agency. Also, there is an excellent chance some of Russillos sources were the same agents looking to cover their behinds.
 
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BigErnMcCracken said:
This feels like as good a place as any to point out that Ryan Russillo once said that he understands the mentality of the characters in The Town because he grew up on Martha’s Vineyard.
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Up there with Bill claiming Memphis plays tight in big games because of the psychological trauma of the MLK assassination. The best unintentional comedy duo out there.
 
What if the kid was an absolute punk and nightmare to coach? Leaking that to a shock jock is a scumbag move from the scout and only incentivizes coaches to lie and give you bad information. Or Whitmore’s camp is lying. I haven’t seen a person say a good thing about the kid off the court in the pre-draft process
 
Something is going on when a kid with Top 5 talent is getting "passed on" by teams/GMs/Scouts with a need for a talented SF/PF such as him on their rosters.. Slips to 20.. Hope it works out for him..
 
Cui bono? (who benefits?) That is the first question you should ask when you hear of a leak. Not whether the leak is true, or what it says, but who would benefit from the act and its result. After determining that, work from there. There are a number of answers to that question ranging from the athlete and his agent through the various scouts to GM and the coach himself.
 
nomar said:
Neptune got a lot of guff for not using Whitmore right and I bet there are hard feelings about that in the Whitmore camp. My guess would be that this is the Whitmore people trashing Neptune in revenge based on mere supposition.

But let's assume it's true, that Nepture didn't stick up for Whitmore. A fireable offense? GTF0.

As an employer, I get calls about former employees all the time. I put the best light I can on the person but sometimes all I can say is "yes, he worked here." As our mothers all taught us, if you've got nothing good to say...
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One time we had a really bad tenant. When a potential new landlord called, my wife answered and she told the guy how bad our tennant was

I was like "you go girl, now we're still stuck with him" :)
 
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willie99 said:
One time we had a really bad tenant. When a potential new landlord called, my wife answered and she told the guy how bad our tennant was

I was like "you go girl, now we're still stuck with him" :)
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One time we rented a condo to a young couple. They got the most amazing reference from their supposed landlord. She said she needed the guest house they’d been living in for her mother to move into. She poured it on real thick and I felt pretty good about it.

Anyway, they showed up to see our rental property looking like a happy little family. Beautiful 20 something blond girl, a handsome and well dressed guy and a beautiful 18 month old baby boy. Fast forward 6 months, rent stops coming in, the guy is nowhere to be found and some strung out chick is now living in his place. Turns out the kid wasn’t the guy’s in the first place and the the two had really only been dating for a couple of months. The girl moved her new female lover in and it appeared all they did was do drugs and have sex. When we finally got them evicted I had to discard enormous amounts of , multiple vibrators and dildos on top of all the filth, ash trays, bottles, dirty clothes etc. Wore gloves for that job. I never let my wife see it. She would have sworn off real estate forever.
 
Hoophound said:
One time we rented a condo to a young couple. They got the most amazing reference from their supposed landlord. She said she needed the guest house they’d been living in for her mother to move into. She poured it on real thick and I felt pretty good about it.

Anyway, they showed up to see our rental property looking like a happy little family. Beautiful 20 something blond girl, a handsome and well dressed guy and a beautiful 18 month old baby boy. Fast forward 6 months, rent stops coming in, the guy is nowhere to be found and some strung out chick is now living in his place. Turns out the kid wasn’t the guy’s in the first place and the the two had really only been dating for a couple of months. The girl moved her new female lover in and it appeared all they did was do drugs and have sex. When we finally got them evicted I had to discard enormous amounts of , multiple vibrators and dildos on top of all the filth, ash trays, bottles, dirty clothes etc. Wore gloves for that job. I never let my wife see it. She would have sworn off real estate forever.
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Yikes. me and the misses are starting to rent out another house we purchase. I hope we never come across anything close to that gruesome.
 
Anyway you slice it, this is not good for Nova. If this sticks at all don’t think for a second opposing coaches including both of ours won’t be bringing this up in recruiting battles with them.
 
Happens all the time for me w/ high school football. A college coach asks me about one of my kids I'm honest and kids know this. I'm not going to tell them you're a hard worker when you loaf around at practice, do next to nothing in the offseason, and act like you're better than your teammates. Those coaches won't trust me when I have kids who ARE worthy and deserving of their shot.
 
According to articles I’ve read Cam’s slip in the draft was more do to injury concerns. I don’t know enough about Neptune to form an opinion on if he’s in over his head. KN inherited better talent but I can think of a coach who was under 500 his first season at his school but a few years later won a national championship
 
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This also at the core of it could just be that the draft “experts” are nothing more than guessing. It’s the same as bracket experts, these people get paid for their opinions, which frankly if their opinions were so great they’d be the ones making the decisions, not guessing about them.
 
imno1 said:
According to articles I’ve read Cam’s slip in the draft was more do to injury concerns. I don’t know enough about Neptune to form an opinion on if he’s in over his head. KN inherited better talent but I can think of a coach who was under 500 his first season at his school but a few years later won a national championship
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And Neptune had to start the year with his two real weapons out with injuries and work them in as the season was progressing. I have no clue if he is or is not up to the task of keeping 'Nova consistently ranked. (Asking him to do what Jay Wright did would be so unrealistic as to not be fair.) But given that Wright hand picked him, he deserves a chance and one year ain't it.
 
Hoophound said:
One time we rented a condo to a young couple. They got the most amazing reference from their supposed landlord. She said she needed the guest house they’d been living in for her mother to move into. She poured it on real thick and I felt pretty good about it.

Anyway, they showed up to see our rental property looking like a happy little family. Beautiful 20 something blond girl, a handsome and well dressed guy and a beautiful 18 month old baby boy. Fast forward 6 months, rent stops coming in, the guy is nowhere to be found and some strung out chick is now living in his place. Turns out the kid wasn’t the guy’s in the first place and the the two had really only been dating for a couple of months. The girl moved her new female lover in and it appeared all they did was do drugs and have sex. When we finally got them evicted I had to discard enormous amounts of , multiple vibrators and dildos on top of all the filth, ash trays, bottles, dirty clothes etc. Wore gloves for that job. I never let my wife see it. She would have sworn off real estate forever.
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You win :)
 
imno1 said:
According to articles I’ve read Cam’s slip in the draft was more do to injury concerns. I don’t know enough about Neptune to form an opinion on if he’s in over his head. KN inherited better talent but I can think of a coach who was under 500 his first season at his school but a few years later won a national championship
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Sometimes the obvious answer is the answer. He was overhyped and accomplished little all year. Were you worried when he had the ball against uconn? No, throw up another brick cam. Neptune certainly did not impress. However he has cobbled together a deep impressive team for this year. The jury is still out on him.
 
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I'm just catching up. I don't understand any of the inter-lawyer posts but I'm hoping The Boneyard picks this up for another 4 page Season 2.

F<ers debating in Latin. Haha.
 
Fan1978 said:
Sometimes the obvious answer is the answer. He was overhyped and accomplished little all year. Were you worried when he had the ball against uconn? No, throw up another brick cam. Neptune certainly did not impress. However he has cobbled together a deep impressive team for this year. The jury is still out on him.
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He still only 18. No reason to believe he can’t live up to his hype. I would bet the Rockets got a steal at #20
 
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