KY players leaving

[specialisthusky]

bottom line is when it came time to report apr #'s a couple years ago a bunch of schools reported what ever number they wanted becuase the ncaa doesn't look unless it has a reason to. so schools all gave themselves passing #'s year after year even if they had issues. wehen we handed in our #'s JH knew his time here was limited at that point and he decided to leave a mark on this school becuase of his relationship with ME and his non rlationship with JC. He reported our real #'s and screwed us. then it was only a matter of time for him to go.

i don't know...thats a bit too super conspiracy theoryish.

 

[Dann]

i don't know...thats a bit too super conspiracy theoryish.

ahh i know, i'm just getting tired of these apr threads so i enjoy putting fuel to them

 

[Prezidint]

The point is, graduation has nothing to do with APR. He took off for a pro contract: someone was paying him to leave.Why blast him for that?

Not to speak for the other guy, but the answer to your question likely is:
"because leaving without finishing classes caused a negative impact on our APR, and he should have showed more loyalty to the program and not caused damage to the APR that he either knew or should have known would occur when he bolted in bad standing."

Something like that.

Of course, IIRC, you're the guy who doesn't think that college costs have been pushed up by higher demand, so I don't expect you to get this either.

 

[upstater]

Not to speak for the other guy, but the answer to your question likely is:
"because leaving without finishing classes caused a negative impact on our APR, and he should have showed more loyalty to the program and not caused damage to the APR that he either knew or should have known would occur when he bolted in bad standing."

Something like that.

Of course, IIRC, you're the guy who doesn't think that college costs have been pushed up by higher demand, so I don't expect you to get this either.

What business is it of yours that he left for a job?

You have so botched the last line that one wouldn't know where to begin to address you misrepresentation. There is high demand for colleges, likely because of demographics and the fact that most colleges are not adding extra seats. If high demand drops, you'll see a great many colleges fall by the wayside. You won't see the price of UConn dropping however, nor a great many colleges that will have fewer seat than applicants. Pretty basic stuff. Besides, this wasn't the nature of our discussion at all. It was about student loans and their impact on college costs. You've completely misrepresented the case.

 

[freescooter]

It's easy to follow the rules. They are not that strict, as long as you're willing make education less of a priority. Apparently, a great many schools in he USA are very willing to do this.

While you are right, I really think you are missing the point...these kids for the most part didn't come to UCONN to get an education. Certainly they didn't go to Kentucky for that. So the whole argument about progress toward a degree is like arguing about how fast a sailboat can go on land...it isn't intended to go on land so its silly to even discuss it. Andre Drummond was never, ever, ever planning on getting a UCONN degree. He didn't care even one tiny bit. In fact, I bet if he were honest with you, he'd tell you it was more trouble than anything else. He was looking for a place to polish his skills a little, while he waited to be eligible for the NBA draft. The same applies to just about the entire Kentucky starting lineup. And until the NCAA stops allowing that kind of nonsense, then all the rest of it is for show. The NBA ought to be forced to set up a minor league that takes these kids for a year or two if they are unwilling to draft them right out of high school. But why should they when the NCAA allows itself to play that role. I'd make a simple rule...if a player gets a scholarship, the school can't reuse it until either the player graduates or completes 4 years of school. In the case of transfers you can re-use it as long as he transfers to a legitimate 4-year degree granting institution. And if you kick a kid out for academic or disciplinary reasons, the school gets the scholarship back. No APR. No penalties. No loss of scholarships. 90% of the problems disappear because A. Coaches aren't going to recruit 1 and dones. it is just too risky that you'll have ot go 2-3 years without a couple of scholarships. B. Players will know that they are expected to make progress toward GRADUATION, not just some amorphous eligibility standard. C. The NBA's hand will be forced to either set up a true minor league or revise the rules to allow drafting of players righ tout of high school again. D. Coaches will be less inclined to advise players to leave for the money, and more inclined to urge them to actually graduate early when they know that they risk losing scholarships for a couple of years, and thus their own success for that period. You think Calipari would have recruited differently, or advised his players differently, if he knew that for the next three years he's only got 8 scholarships? In in my system, it would take about a week for the NBA to either revoke the 1 year out of high school deal with the union, or start using the D-league similar to how major league baseball uses its minor leagues.

 

[upstater]

While you are right, I really think you are missing the point...these kids for the most part didn't come to UCONN to get an education. Certainly they didn't go to Kentucky for that. So the whole argument about progress toward a degree is like arguing about how fast a sailboat can go on land...it isn't intended to go on land so its silly to even discuss it. Andre Drummond was never, ever, ever planning on getting a UCONN degree. He didn't care even one tiny bit. In fact, I bet if he were honest with you, he'd tell you it was more trouble than anything else. He was looking for a place to polish his skills a little, while he waited to be eligible for the NBA draft. The same applies to just about the entire Kentucky starting lineup. And until the NCAA stops allowing that kind of nonsense, then all the rest of it is for show. The NBA ought to be forced to set up a minor league that takes these kids for a year or two if they are unwilling to draft them right out of high school. But why should they when the NCAA allows itself to play that role. I'd make a simple rule...if a player gets a scholarship, the school can't reuse it until either the player graduates or completes 4 years of school. In the case of transfers you can re-use it as long as he transfers to a legitimate 4-year degree granting institution. And if you kick a kid out for academic or disciplinary reasons, the school gets the scholarship back. No APR. No penalties. No loss of scholarships. 90% of the problems disappear because A. Coaches aren't going to recruit 1 and dones. it is just too risky that you'll have ot go 2-3 years without a couple of scholarships. B. Players will know that they are expected to make progress toward GRADUATION, not just some amorphous eligibility standard. C. The NBA's hand will be forced to either set up a true minor league or revise the rules to allow drafting of players righ tout of high school again. D. Coaches will be less inclined to advise players to leave for the money, and more inclined to urge them to actually graduate early when they know that they risk losing scholarships for a couple of years, and thus their own success for that period. You think Calipari would have recruited differently, or advised his players differently, if he knew that for the next three years he's only got 8 scholarships? In in my system, it would take about a week for the NBA to either revoke the 1 year out of high school deal with the union, or start using the D-league similar to how major league baseball uses its minor leagues.

You continue to make my point. It has nothing to do with education. Have I said anything differently? So, since we agree, what are the rules trying to accomplish? We can think of a range of different regulations. But the point is, today's rules are utterly stupid.

 

[sportsjunky1]

If all 5 KY players end the year in good standing I will applaud them and as hard as it is for me to say Calaparri.

These kids are all guaranteed first round picks and will soon be millionaires and they still took the time to finish up the semester, when the likes of Edwards and Mandeldove were too dumb and/or lazy to finish up when they had 0 to fall back on.

Edwards and Mandeldove are both earning a living playing overseas basketball. They sure did have something to fall back on!

 

[uconnfan68]

does anyone know how their APR is affected with no one graduating?

They know how to cheat the system. It's an SEC thing. Inbred.

 

[champs99and04]

The APR accomplishes nothing. Jay Bilas mentioned in a Jeff Jacobs article the other day that he thought the concept was useless, as if the NCAA is assuming the University will fail to educate the student-athlete without the threat of a postseason ban. By instituting the consequence of a postseason ban, the NCAA intends to give programs incentive to graduate their students. One could argue it has the opposite effect, as athletes, basketball players particuarly, will now be encouraged to take the softer courses so they don't hurt the APR. I'm sure it can be difficult to juggle practices, games, traveling, and camps on top of the average college course at a respected University like UConn.

So who receives more of an education at their respective Universities? A kid that takes a soft course and leaves in good standing, or a kid who takes a more grueling course but can't quite finish up in time? I can respect what the APR is intended to do, but when you're implementing a system with so many holes, offering such a harsh penalty as a consequence might not be the way to go.

At the end of the day, the goal of the University is to prepare a student for life after college. If foregoing spring classes in favor of draft workouts is beneficial to the student-athlete in the short and long term, it would seem quite hypocritical for the NCAA to implement a system working against the best interests of the student-athlete they apparently look out for.

 

[uconnfan68]

The APR accomplishes nothing. Jay Bilas mentioned in a Jeff Jacobs article the other day that he thought the concept was useless, as if the NCAA is assuming the University will fail to educate the student-athlete without the threat of a postseason ban. By instituting the consequence of a postseason ban, the NCAA intends to give programs incentive to graduate their students. One could argue it has the opposite effect, as athletes, basketball players particuarly, will now be encouraged to take the softer courses so they don't hurt the APR. I'm sure it can be difficult to juggle practices, games, traveling, and camps on top of the average college course at a respected University like UConn.

So who receives more of an education at their respective Universities? A kid that takes a soft course and leaves in good standing, or a kid who takes a more grueling course but can't quite finish up in time? I can respect what the APR is intended to do, but when you're implementing a system with so many holes, offering such a harsh penalty as a consequence might not be the way to go.

At the end of the day, the goal of the University is to prepare a student for life after college. If foregoing spring classes in favor of draft workouts is beneficial to the student-athlete in the short and long term, it would seem quite hypocritical for the NCAA to implement a system working against the best interests of the student-athlete they apparently look out for.

Well said.

 

[HeGotGame]

Edwards and Mandeldove are both earning a living playing overseas basketball. They sure did have something to fall back on!

Um no they are not. Mandeldove is not playing basketball anywhere, he is currently trying to coach but cant get a job because he does not have a degree. He played a season of semi pro ball for the Gwinnett Majic making $75 a game.

Edwards last played for the Springfield Armour, which is in the U.S. if you did not know, making $18,000 a year.

Not sure where you are getting your information from.

 

[Uconn77Duke74]

I am still mystified how Uconn was so bad at the "game" regardless of the rules. Was Hathaway or Calhoun to blame or was there simply nothing we could do to prevent the mass exodus of players leaving in bad standing during that stretch?

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

It's very likely he is much better off for making that decision since he's still getting paid to play basketball while other people with BAs from his class are struggling to find jobs.

Oy vey. Are you kidding? You really think Gavin would have missed out on the sparkling pro career he's enjoyed since leaving UConn if he had stuck around for another couple weeks and finished up? He needed that time to lock down a spot in the Macedonian D-League?

 

[HuskyBballFan]

Oy vey. Are you kidding? You really think Gavin would have missed out on the sparkling pro career he's enjoyed since leaving UConn if he had stuck around for another couple weeks and finished up? He needed that time to lock down a spot in the Macedonian D-League?

And seeing as he clearly wishes to make a living playing basketball, how exactly would his bachelor's degree, which he can go back and finish whenever he wants, have helped him? He made a decision that it was more important to try and impress an NBA GM than to finish his degree. From a potential earning power perspective, how can you argue that it wasn't the right move?

 

[upstater]

I am still mystified how Uconn was so bad at the "game" regardless of the rules. Was Hathaway or Calhoun to blame or was there simply nothing we could do to prevent the mass exodus of players leaving in bad standing during that stretch?

Maybe they actually believed in the concept of "student-athlete."

 

[upstater]

Oy vey. Are you kidding? You really think Gavin would have missed out on the sparkling pro career he's enjoyed since leaving UConn if he had stuck around for another couple weeks and finished up? He needed that time to lock down a spot in the Macedonian D-League?

It is his decision. It happen all the time with regular students. People leave without degrees and go on to their careers. It could be a mistake, it could be a good thing.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Potential earning power? So Gavin was thiiiiis close to locking up that guaranteed rookie contract so it was smart to dump school and go for it? If the kid makes more than $35k a year playing basketball I'll be shocked. This isn't Rudy Gay working out in Vegas before he gets taken in the lottery. This is a kid who should have been stocking up on Rosetta Stone his senior year.

Absolutely, these kids are free to make whatever moronic decisions they want, but spare me the potential earning power garbage when you're talking about kids like Gavin. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but when I think about the APR fiasco I think about kids like Gavin who were never going to have a pro career and they still couldnt be bothered to stick around for a couple weeks to get that piece of paper. And - oh by the way - the one kid who did manage to do it is the only one of the three in the NBA.

 

[HuskyBballFan]

Potential earning power? So Gavin was thiiiiis close to locking up that guaranteed rookie contract so it was smart to dump school and go for it? If the kid makes more than $35k a year playing basketball I'll be shocked. This isn't Rudy Gay working out in Vegas before he gets taken in the lottery. This is a kid who should have been stocking up on Rosetta Stone his senior year.

Absolutely, these kids are free to make whatever moronic decisions they want, but spare me the potential earning power garbage when you're talking about kids like Gavin. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but when I think about the APR fiasco I think about kids like Gavin who were never going to have a pro career and they still couldnt be bothered to stick around for a couple weeks to get that piece of paper. And - oh by the way - the one kid who did manage to do it is the only one of the three in the NBA.

If Gavin has no intention of getting a job other than "professional basketball player" in the next 10 years, what good would a college degree do for him now? None whatsoever.

And even if Gavin's chances of impressing an NBA GM enough to get a contract were 10%, it would still be wise financially to go for it.

 

[specialisthusky]

Potential earning power? So Gavin was thiiiiis close to locking up that guaranteed rookie contract so it was smart to dump school and go for it? If the kid makes more than $35k a year playing basketball I'll be shocked. This isn't Rudy Gay working out in Vegas before he gets taken in the lottery. This is a kid who should have been stocking up on Rosetta Stone his senior year.

Absolutely, these kids are free to make whatever moronic decisions they want, but spare me the potential earning power garbage when you're talking about kids like Gavin. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but when I think about the APR fiasco I think about kids like Gavin who were never going to have a pro career and they still couldnt be bothered to stick around for a couple weeks to get that piece of paper. And - oh by the way - the one kid who did manage to do it is the only one of the three in the NBA.

stop looking at from your perspective for one second and look at it through Gavin Edwards. The kid's dream was to play for the NBA and he went for it by doing everything he could to try and secure a draft selection. SO sorry that piece of paper didn't get prioritized, but guess what he can go finish that tomorrow if he wanted to. The credits he has aren't going anywhere, he chance at a draft selection was once in a lifetime.

 

[upstater]

Potential earning power? So Gavin was thiiiiis close to locking up that guaranteed rookie contract so it was smart to dump school and go for it? If the kid makes more than $35k a year playing basketball I'll be shocked. This isn't Rudy Gay working out in Vegas before he gets taken in the lottery. This is a kid who should have been stocking up on Rosetta Stone his senior year.

Absolutely, these kids are free to make whatever moronic decisions they want, but spare me the potential earning power garbage when you're talking about kids like Gavin. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but when I think about the APR fiasco I think about kids like Gavin who were never going to have a pro career and they still couldnt be bothered to stick around for a couple weeks to get that piece of paper. And - oh by the way - the one kid who did manage to do it is the only one of the three in the NBA.

It's his decision. What do you want the school to do? Strap him to a chair? The reason why he shows up as a UConn failure is because he was a senior proceeding to a degree. If he were a freshman who loaded up on bogus intersession courses and then left in the spring for a pro contract, he'd be a credit to his institution. Get dinged for having students proceed to a degree, credited for faux students.

That's academia for ya.

 

[sportsjunky1]

Um no they are not. Mandeldove is not playing basketball anywhere, he is currently trying to coach but cant get a job because he does not have a degree. He played a season of semi pro ball for the Gwinnett Majic making $75 a game.

Edwards last played for the Springfield Armour, which is in the U.S. if you did not know, making $18,000 a year.

Not sure where you are getting your information from.

Please look it up John Mandoldove recently signed with a pro basketball team in Peru!!
The Link is right here!
http://www.navintinc.com/viewnews.php?nid=27
http://navintinc.com/viewstats.php?pid=41
And Gavin Edwards is playing in South Korea getting paid/laid
http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cntry=GRE&PlayerID=111883
Not sure where you get your information from?

 

[sportsjunky1]

Potential earning power? So Gavin was thiiiiis close to locking up that guaranteed rookie contract so it was smart to dump school and go for it? If the kid makes more than $35k a year playing basketball I'll be shocked. This isn't Rudy Gay working out in Vegas before he gets taken in the lottery. This is a kid who should have been stocking up on Rosetta Stone his senior year.

Absolutely, these kids are free to make whatever moronic decisions they want, but spare me the potential earning power garbage when you're talking about kids like Gavin. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but when I think about the APR fiasco I think about kids like Gavin who were never going to have a pro career and they still couldnt be bothered to stick around for a couple weeks to get that piece of paper. And - oh by the way - the one kid who did manage to do it is the only one of the three in the NBA.

Are you putting Stanley Robinson in this sentence? Did Sticks get his degree that year?

 

[mets1090]

Are you putting Stanley Robinson in this sentence? Did Sticks get his degree that year?

Dyson got his degree