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Kiah Stokes waived by Liberty

Stokes isn't the most versatile player but she has size and generally moved well inside when I saw her play, which has been a few years. There seems to be a lot of waivers this season as teams don't have to pay guaranteed contracts to players beyond June 30 but many of them are being signed to 7 day, short term deals to help fill out rosters.

I'm not sure if the WNBA is really expansion ready or not. I have a feeling rosters could be filled out but would the quality of play be high enough to gain interest from a community? Expansion has likely not happened because no ownership group has emerged in one of the mentioned markets. It's possible a team could relocate but I'm not sure the league is ready to take on two new teams or not.
 
IMHO I think now is the time for the WNBA to expand say 2 teams' It should be an even number either 2 or 4 new teams to balance out the Divisions evenly already in play!
If you looked at the cuts after the last Draft in April there was a huge flock of talented college grads that didn't make the cut for a 12 person roster spot!
Very talented girls but just a shade below what level now exists!
It opens it up to Europe and Asian WBB to also get in the WNBA.
If the League had each team hold say 8 on their current roster and left approximately 4 available to be picked up by the New Teams, then have Free-agents not already in the League eligible to sign!
San Francisco, Nashville, Miami and Houston, as stated in the above article, for example, would be prime real estate for the new teams! That would add 48 new players to the League!
That wouldn't be over-kill, 48 talented WBB would be an easy fill!
 
Four teams is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many. Financially wouldnt work. And too much dilution of talent.

Pretty sure the league had an odd # of teams for a few years when it was contracting. Even number is nice, but team/league health are more important.

The Wubble and the NCAAT both got good ratings and there's been more high-profile talent like Ionescu, Paige. Next year's draft should be pretty deep. Seems like the right time for expansion.
 
So back to the original topic. I don't believe in coincidences. So Seattle just waived Dupree saying they couldn't find a role and that it didn't work wanting Dupree to guard opponents big rather than Stewie doing it.... Now Stokes was also released and she shines at defense along with being a former UConn player who worked well at being Stewie's muscle... I wonder if we'll see a short term contract for Stokes at Seattle.....
 
DEpup said:
So back to the original topic. I don't believe in coincidences. So Seattle just waived Dupree saying they couldn't find a role and that it didn't work wanting Dupree to guard opponents big rather than Stewie doing it.... Now Stokes was also released and she shines at defense along with being a former UConn player who worked well at being Stewie's muscle... I wonder if we'll see a short term contract for Stokes at Seattle.....
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Las Vegas just signed Kiah Stokes today.
 
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CajunHusky said:
It looks like she was going to miss time if not the rest of the season because of personal problems.
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Personal problems??? (you're suggesting Kiah has personal problems, which I don't see anyone alluding to beside you - a very unkind suggestion)
or
Personnel problems (as in the team has a lot of management issues to deal with as a function of league rules

My understanding is the former, which have nothing to do with Kiah's relationships with herself or others... Please, lets not get that rumor started that you suggest....
 
hoophuskee said:
Las Vegas just signed Kiah Stokes today.
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Best news I’ve heard today. I’m too big a Kiah Stokes fan not to be happy about this news. :D I’m happy for her, and hope that this change of venue will resurrect her WNBA career. Read the room Kiah and make it happen.
 
Vowelguy said:
Four teams is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many. Financially wouldnt work. And too much dilution of talent.

Pretty sure the league had an odd # of teams for a few years when it was contracting. Even number is nice, but team/league health are more important.

The Wubble and the NCAAT both got good ratings and there's been more high-profile talent like Ionescu, Paige. Next year's draft should be pretty deep. Seems like the right time for expansion.
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I agree with you Vowelguy, 4 teams would be too many but 2, say San Francisco to the West and Nashville say to the East would be a good fit!
 
I would like to see expansion too, otherwise so many players will lose their job and dream.
BTW, how many huskies in the league now? 10%?
 
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RSHERMVIKES said:
IMHO I think now is the time for the WNBA to expand say 2 teams' It should be an even number either 2 or 4 new teams to balance out the Divisions evenly already in play!
If you looked at the cuts after the last Draft in April there was a huge flock of talented college grads that didn't make the cut for a 12 person roster spot!
Very talented girls but just a shade below what level now exists!
It opens it up to Europe and Asian WBB to also get in the WNBA.
If the League had each team hold say 8 on their current roster and left approximately 4 available to be picked up by the New Teams, then have Free-agents not already in the League eligible to sign!
San Francisco, Nashville, Miami and Houston, as stated in the above article, for example, would be prime real estate for the new teams! That would add 48 new players to the League!
That wouldn't be over-kill, 48 talented WBB would be an easy fill!
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Easy fill. Really? Care to name names. I see a 12-team league right now that struggles to find eight people on a team who can play at a professional level. The Liberty, which is my local team, has trouble finding seven. The Fever has trouble finding five. Productive play on the college level does not automatically cross over into Pro basketball. Now if they could get the top International players into the league, that would change overnight, but they are reluctant to spend 12 months a year playing basketball when the pay and working conditions in the WNBA are so far inferior.
 
A 2 team expansion should be in the works fairly soon. If you look at some of these rosters, there is alot of great CBB talent that can't get on the floor, as well as some rosters that have more talent than they need. There is an abundant of High School talent coming out every year, and after their college careers are done they need a place to go. Traditionally an expansion team isn't very good, but I believe it would be a little different in this league. These young kids are better than ever, and the chance to see more of them on a professional level will make the league prosper, with more fans following more hometown kids, and venturing into areas of the country who don't even follow the NBA because of non-local interest. North Carolina, Tennessee, the west coast are hotbeds of WCBB, so as they finally did in Connecticut, give then a chance to succeed. As a former player on the Sting team, maybe Dawn would offer to coach the team, and possibly invest in a new franchise. ( with Geno) ?
 
Don't everybody sleep on Toronto for an expansion team. Bball is popular in the lower Ontario peninsula and the marketing associated for a professional Canadian team could make money across the country.
 
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Waquoit said:
So she was dropped by the #7 team and picked up by the current #1 team a couple days later? Sounds like she got a promotion!
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But it makes perfect business sense for both teams. It is similar to the situation that occurs in Major League Baseball every August where teams that are out of contention, but have a few older, higher-paid stars on their roster, will trade them to contending teams for some minor league prospects or draft choices.

For the out-of-contention team, it means that they get younger players to rebuild into a contending roster in a few years. For contending teams, it means that they get experienced, capable players to fill a short-term need and possibly add the crucial element to win a championship in the current year.
 
Vowelguy said:
W

When you look at how difficult it has become for college players to make rosters and last, I think the quality is there to support a team or two. The only question are the finances around getting an expansion team to survive.
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Vowelguy said:
zonecoverage.com

It's Officially Time for WNBA Expansion - Zone Coverage

Currently, there are 12 total teams in the WNBA, which is celebrating its 25th year of operation. The WNBA debuted in 1997 with eight teams, eventually
zonecoverage.com zonecoverage.com

I would go with a team in 23 or 24 snd then another in 26. With the Bay and Toronto being the leading contenders, followed by Nash/Memphis, Louisville, and Portland.

Miami is a terrible idea.

I’m down on Charlotte bc it failed once but maybe with some ex-SoCar players ….
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And the northeast is chop suey?
 
Vowelguy said:
zonecoverage.com

It's Officially Time for WNBA Expansion - Zone Coverage

Currently, there are 12 total teams in the WNBA, which is celebrating its 25th year of operation. The WNBA debuted in 1997 with eight teams, eventually
zonecoverage.com zonecoverage.com

I would go with a team in 23 or 24 snd then another in 26. With the Bay and Toronto being the leading contenders, followed by Nash/Memphis, Louisville, and Portland.

Miami is a terrible idea.

I’m down on Charlotte bc it failed once but maybe with some ex-SoCar players ….
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Charlotte failed in part because of the owner Bob Johnson. Really wasn't invested in it, and gave up on the team a bit too early. I've stated before on this forum that if Michael Jordan were the owner back then, the Sting would still be in the WNBA. Plus Charlotte is an entirely different city than it was in 2006. City had about 600,000 people back then.... now its over 900,000. Metro area has gained probably close to 1 million people during the same time period.
 
Dabber said:
And the northeast is chop suey?
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The northeast has 3 teams. What is a clear choice for a team ?
Even if you wanted to make a case for Philly, I think the advantages of expanding to new markets, new fans outweighs.
 
Lurker said:
Personal problems??? (you're suggesting Kiah has personal problems, which I don't see anyone alluding to beside you - a very unkind suggestion)
or
Personnel problems (as in the team has a lot of management issues to deal with as a function of league rules

My understanding is the former, which have nothing to do with Kiah's relationships with herself or others... Please, lets not get that rumor started that you suggest....
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transactions (not a rumor) for June 30 from the wnba.com

New York Liberty: Kiah Stokes – Waived
New York Liberty: Kiah Stokes – Contract Amendment – Divorce

I don't know what that second one means in official CBA parlance so I left it as "personal reasons". If someone has deeper understanding of the technical meaning wrt CBA perhaps they could shed light.

Nonetheless if she was dressed and on the bench last night then my conjecture about not being available rest of the season is obviously wrong.
 
triaddukefan said:
Charlotte failed in part because of the owner Bob Johnson. Really wasn't invested in it, and gave up on the team a bit too early. I've stated before on this forum that if Michael Jordan were the owner back then, the Sting would still be in the WNBA. Plus Charlotte is an entirely different city than it was in 2006. City had about 600,000 people back then.... now its over 900,000. Metro area has gained probably close to 1 million people during the same time period.
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Charlotte Metro went from ~2.02M in 2006 to ~2.66M in 2020.
 
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Bald Huskie said:
A 2 team expansion should be in the works fairly soon. If you look at some of these rosters, there is alot of great CBB talent that can't get on the floor, as well as some rosters that have more talent than they need. There is an abundant of High School talent coming out every year, and after their college careers are done they need a place to go. Traditionally an expansion team isn't very good, but I believe it would be a little different in this league. These young kids are better than ever, and the chance to see more of them on a professional level will make the league prosper, with more fans following more hometown kids, and venturing into areas of the country who don't even follow the NBA because of non-local interest. North Carolina, Tennessee, the west coast are hotbeds of WCBB, so as they finally did in Connecticut, give then a chance to succeed. As a former player on the Sting team, maybe Dawn would offer to coach the team, and possibly invest in a new franchise. ( with Geno) ?
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?? Obviously, we see things differently. I wish someone with such an opinion would name names of players who fit in this category of wasted professional-level talent. Also, when one of the 12 teams has only won one game, there is zero justification for expansion.
 
Vowelguy said:
zonecoverage.com

It's Officially Time for WNBA Expansion - Zone Coverage

Currently, there are 12 total teams in the WNBA, which is celebrating its 25th year of operation. The WNBA debuted in 1997 with eight teams, eventually
zonecoverage.com zonecoverage.com

I would go with a team in 23 or 24 snd then another in 26. With the Bay and Toronto being the leading contenders, followed by Nash/Memphis, Louisville, and Portland.

Miami is a terrible idea.

I’m down on Charlotte bc it failed once but maybe with some ex-SoCar players ….
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Denver is the logical choice, the sports capitol of the non coastal west, see Broncos.
 
Jordy said:
. Also, when one of the 12 teams has only won one game, there is zero justification for expansion.
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Huh?
maybe the team has a bad GM or bad coach or has been unlucky wrt to injuries or other factors
Individual team records indicate nothing about overall league quality.
 
Vowelguy said:
Huh?
maybe the team has a bad GM or bad coach or has been unlucky wrt to injuries or other factors
Individual team records indicate nothing about overall league quality.
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If I were you, I wouldn’t use that as an argument in a logic class.
 
Jordy said:
If I were you, I wouldn’t use that as an argument in a logic class.
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I’m sure a stats class would be amused at your notion that high variance and high mean are mutually exclusive.
 
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