Kevin Stacom on the State of PC and NCAA (lack of) Leadership

[temery]

The courts effectively took care of that. The NCAA has no current authority to do anything about that.

I don't believe that's true. The court say they could be paid, they never said they have to play.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I don't believe that's true. The court say they could be paid, they never said they have to play.

Restricting their access to earn by something artificial like a transfer period will be illegal. The NCAA can fight it if they want, but they will lose and Baker knows it. Also, that transfer period would likely be deemed a non-compete, which will be difficult to enforce in many states.

 

[temery]

Restricting their access to earn by something artificial like a transfer period will be illegal. The NCAA can fight it if they want, but they will lose and Baker knows it. Also, that transfer period would likely be deemed a non-compete, which will be difficult to enforce in many states.

Colleges and universities have absolutely no legal responsibility to provide the opportunity for anyone to make money while playing a sport. If they can limit play to x years, they can limit play for transfers.

Nobody's saying that a transfer can't be paid to sit, but there is definitely the option to say that a transfer can't play for at least one year.

If they're worth the money, they'll be paid to sit.

Off topic a bit... but if the nba can set a salary cap, why can't the ncaa set limits?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Colleges and universities have absolutely no legal responsibility to provide the opportunity for anyone to make money while playing a sport. If they can limit play to x years, they can limit play for transfers.

Nobody's saying that a transfer can't be paid to sit, but there is definitely the option to say that a transfer can't play for at least one year.

If they're worth the money, they'll be paid to sit.

Off topic a bit... but if the nba can set a salary cap, why can't the ncaa set limits?

The NBA salary cap was set through collective bargaining, a completely different legal umbrella to the free-for-all in college.

NIL and House gave college athletes the right to earn, which means that a restriction of a year wait to play will likely be deemed a non-compete. Several states (CA, OK, MN) do not enforce them at all, and another 30 or so states place a pretty high bar on enforcing non-competes.

Baker can litigate if he wants, but he will lose. He needs either some form of collective bargaining or an act of Congress to be able to do virtually anything in terms of regulating college athletics. The conferences' authority has not been challenged yet, but that is just a matter of time.

 

[JB75]

A friend from PC sent me this article. Well done, with insights into the state of PC's team this year as well as his thoughts, and those of several prominent coaches, on the failures of the NCAA's leadership. My question is "where is Charlie Baker and the leadership he was hired to provide?"
My thoughts on Baker center on from where he came. Politics and a highly regulated industry, healthcare. Maybe he's a good politician but so far it looks to me as if he needs regulation to save him from himself. He's supposed to be the leader the NCAA believed would pull disparate entities together to save the NCAA and college sports from ruin. It's not working and the examples Stacom cites regarding recent recruits from the G-League, a former NBA draft pick, and other moves no one would believe possible a few years ago prove there's real doubts about how long the NCAA can survive.

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The picture of Cam going crazy at Illinois game in front of charlie Baker and all the stuffed suits he surrounds himself with will never escape me -maybe it was Purdue, but it was one of those games. Classic cam love it. You know Baker was pissed We were whipping his Big Ten squads.

 

[temery]

The NBA salary cap was set through collective bargaining, a completely different legal umbrella to the free-for-all in college.

NIL and House gave college athletes the right to earn, which means that a restriction of a year wait to play will likely be deemed a non-compete. Several states (CA, OK, MN) do not enforce them at all, and another 30 or so states place a pretty high bar on enforcing non-competes.

Baker can litigate if he wants, but he will lose. He needs either some form of collective bargaining or an act of Congress to be able to do virtually anything in terms of regulating college athletics. The conferences' authority has not been challenged yet, but that is just a matter of time.

Explain why the NCAA can limit a player to four years of eligibility.

 

[NJHusky]

Baker has been a failure. My sense is too much focus on preserving his own income stream rather than do something that might save college sports that would cause some waves.

That’s the job and exactly what Emmert did

 

[NJHusky]

The issue with the sit one year rule is NIL. Can I get NIL that year? If so, it is a no brainer for most players to extend their NIL earnings as many years as possible. I’m not sure if you can restrict NIL payments for the years sat out. We could see guys collecting NIL for 7-8 years if they can make money while sitting out. I think the courts ruled you can’t stop the kids from earning their worth.

Being allowed to collect is very different than being able to collect. Who is going to pay someone millions to sit

 

[temery]

Baker has been a failure. My sense is too much focus on preserving his own income stream rather than do something that might save college sports that would cause some waves.

He's worth several hundred million dollars. I doubt he took the job for the money.

 

[NJHusky]

The NBA salary cap was set through collective bargaining, a completely different legal umbrella to the free-for-all in college.

NIL and House gave college athletes the right to earn, which means that a restriction of a year wait to play will likely be deemed a non-compete. Several states (CA, OK, MN) do not enforce them at all, and another 30 or so states place a pretty high bar on enforcing non-competes.

Baker can litigate if he wants, but he will lose. He needs either some form of collective bargaining or an act of Congress to be able to do virtually anything in terms of regulating college athletics. The conferences' authority has not been challenged yet, but that is just a matter of time.

He may or may not lose. But he has the resources to litigate

 

[auror]

Explain why the NCAA can limit a player to four years of eligibility.

Well they're currently being sued about it, so we'll see if they are able to do so in a few months.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Explain why the NCAA can limit a player to four years of eligibility.

That is a matter of time too.

You can find posts of mine going back to the very beginning of the Boneyard saying college athletics is an illegal cartel in restraint of trade. I am not some legal savant, I just took competitive strategy in business school.

The whole thing is illegal without collective bargaining or an act of Congress. Baker is one of the few in the country that has a shot to pull this off.

 

[NJHusky]

That is a matter of time too.

You can find posts of mine going back to the very beginning of the Boneyard saying college athletics is an illegal cartel in restraint of trade. I am not some legal savant, I just took competitive strategy in business school.

The whole thing is illegal without collective bargaining or an act of Congress. Baker is one of the few in the country that has a shot to pull this off.

wouldn't it be great to have a player on a team for 10-12 years for guys that arent good enough to play in the nba.

Isn't playing sports supposed to be incident to being a college student?? why do they even need to be a college student? isn't that also a restraint?

 

[nelsonmuntz]

wouldn't it be great to have a player on a team for 10-12 years for guys that arent good enough to play in the nba.

Isn't playing sports supposed to be incident to being a college student?? why do they even need to be a college student? isn't that also a restraint?

You are asking me like there is some rule book I can check. There isn’t. I am looking forward to players switching teams in mid season, and ultimately in the middle of games, because why not?