KenPom Rankings since 1997

auror · Aug 9, 2019

Here's the writeup about it:
Program ratings | The kenpom.com blog

A straight average is fine, but when a human, especially a coach or player, is subjectively comparing two programs, they are surely allowing for recent history.

So there’s more weight given to a team’s best seasons since 1997. Now take that weighted average and throw in some juice for conference affiliation: It’s 85% team, 15% conference in the current iteration. The rationale here is if the Pac-12 suddenly handed out a membership Cal State Fullerton, you better believe the Titans’ would be a much more desirable location for coaches and players.

There is one more ingredient and that involves people. If the best basketball players are consistently choosing certain programs that says something about the stature of the program. So I add an adjustment using a recruiting rating based on the final RSCI rankings for each of the past ten seasons, giving more weight to recent seasons.

I bet we get a boost next year for the Big East (obviously especially if we win some games this year, too).

AuRevoirAAC · Aug 9, 2019

So let me get this straight...the team with the most championships in that span is ranked #19?
Tells you all you need to know about KenPom.

HuskyHawk · Aug 9, 2019

Ugh. His stupid paywall so I can't see the results.

auror · Aug 9, 2019

AuRevoirAAC said:
So let me get this straight...the team with the most championships in that span is ranked #19?
Tells you all you need to know about KenPom.

The team with a 53% winning percentage over the last 5 seasons in the 7th best conference is ranked 19th.

HuskyHawk · Aug 9, 2019

auror said:
The team with a 53% winning percentage over the last 5 seasons in the 7th best conference is ranked 19th.

Yeah, we will bounce back with a couple decent seasons plus Big East. I don't get Arizona. The Pac12 is blech, and they haven't done much of anything and have massive potential NCAA issues. They should be much lower. The top 4, 6-7 seem right to me.

navery12 · Aug 9, 2019

HuskyHawk said:
Ugh. His stupid paywall so I can't see the results.

Really? I can see it and don't pay

whaler11 · Aug 9, 2019

AuRevoirAAC said:
So let me get this straight...the team with the most championships in that span is ranked #19?
Tells you all you need to know about KenPom.

lol

whaler11 · Aug 9, 2019

HuskyHawk said:
Ugh. His stupid paywall so I can't see the results.

yes he should do it for free. jerk. and i could see it before i logged in

HuskyHawk · Aug 9, 2019

navery12 said:
Really? I can see it and don't pay

I got there via the tweet, which wouldn't load at first. Going direct to his site it was blocked.

tcf15 · Aug 9, 2019

AAC RANKINGS

	Team	Conf	Rtg	Best		Worst		Median	Top 10	Top 25	Top 50	CH	F4	S16	R1
19	Connecticut	Amer	+22.66	2	2009	179	2018	26	6	11	15	4	5	9	14
22	Memphis	Amer	+21.83	2	2008	161	2018	49	4	5	12	0	1	4	10
30	Cincinnati	Amer	+20.58	2	2002	141	2007	27	4	11	19	0	0	2	18
56	Wichita St.	Amer	+15.97	6	2014	189	2001	64	2	7	10	0	1	3	8
66	Temple	Amer	+14.33	4	2000	150	2014	59	1	6	10	0	0	2	12
86	Tulsa	Amer	+10.17	7	2000	211	2006	85	1	2	5	0	0	1	6
89	SMU	Amer	+9.18	11	2017	283	2008	130	0	2	4	0	0	0	2
92	Houston	Amer	+8.54	12	2019	230	1998	132	0	2	2	0	0	1	3
123	UCF	Amer	+4.32	34	2019	299	1997	147	0	0	1	0	0	0	3
124	South Florida	Amer	+4.12	48	2012	292	2017	132	0	0	1	0	0	0	1
175	Tulane	Amer	-0.23	68	1997	285	2014	196	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
182	East Carolina	Amer	-1.33	109	1997	307	2018	191	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

BIG EAST RANKINGS

	Team	Conf	Rtg	Best		Worst		Median	Top 10	Top 25	Top 50	CH	F4	S16	R1
7	Villanova	BE	+30.03	1	2018	91	1998	28	6	11	15	2	3	6	16
25	Xavier	BE	+21.48	12	1998	81	2005	31	0	11	16	0	0	7	17
33	Marquette	BE	+19.81	11	2002	113	1999	36	0	6	13	0	1	4	13
36	Georgetown	BE	+19.32	4	2007	124	2004	44	2	7	12	0	1	3	10
44	Creighton	BE	+17.69	15	2013	116	2010	51	0	2	11	0	0	0	12
47	Butler	BE	+17.53	12	2010	145	2005	36	0	7	14	0	2	5	15
53	Providence	BE	+16.43	24	2004	162	2000	69	0	2	7	0	0	1	7
67	Seton Hall	BE	+14.33	26	2018	117	2013	76	0	0	4	0	0	1	7
75	St. John's	BE	+12.40	7	1999	211	2016	79	1	1	5	0	0	1	6
101	DePaul	BE	+7.20	30	2000	233	1997	150	0	0	2	0	0	0	2

Austin316 · Aug 9, 2019

tcf15 said:
AAC RANKINGS

Team Conf Rtg Best Worst Median Top 10 Top 25 Top 50 CH F4 S16 R1
19
Connecticut
Amer
+22.66
2
2009
179
2018
26
6
11
15
4
5
9
14
22
Memphis
Amer
+21.83
2
2008
161
2018
49
4
5
12
0
1
4
10
30
Cincinnati
Amer
+20.58
2
2002
141
2007
27
4
11
19
0
0
2
18
56
Wichita St.
Amer
+15.97
6
2014
189
2001
64
2
7
10
0
1
3
8
66
Temple
Amer
+14.33
4
2000
150
2014
59
1
6
10
0
0
2
12
86
Tulsa
Amer
+10.17
7
2000
211
2006
85
1
2
5
0
0
1
6
89
SMU
Amer
+9.18
11
2017
283
2008
130
0
2
4
0
0
0
2
92
Houston
Amer
+8.54
12
2019
230
1998
132
0
2
2
0
0
1
3
123
UCF
Amer
+4.32
34
2019
299
1997
147
0
0
1
0
0
0
3
124
South Florida
Amer
+4.12
48
2012
292
2017
132
0
0
1
0
0
0
1
175
Tulane
Amer
-0.23
68
1997
285
2014
196
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
182
East Carolina
Amer
-1.33
109
1997
307
2018
191
0
0
0
0
0
0
0

BIG EAST RANKINGS

Team Conf Rtg Best Worst Median Top 10 Top 25 Top 50 CH F4 S16 R1
7
Villanova
BE
+30.03
1
2018
91
1998
28
6
11
15
2
3
6
16
25
Xavier
BE
+21.48
12
1998
81
2005
31
0
11
16
0
0
7
17
33
Marquette
BE
+19.81
11
2002
113
1999
36
0
6
13
0
1
4
13
36
Georgetown
BE
+19.32
4
2007
124
2004
44
2
7
12
0
1
3
10
44
Creighton
BE
+17.69
15
2013
116
2010
51
0
2
11
0
0
0
12
47
Butler
BE
+17.53
12
2010
145
2005
36
0
7
14
0
2
5
15
53
Providence
BE
+16.43
24
2004
162
2000
69
0
2
7
0
0
1
7
67
Seton Hall
BE
+14.33
26
2018
117
2013
76
0
0
4
0
0
1
7
75
St. John's
BE
+12.40
7
1999
211
2016
79
1
1
5
0
0
1
6
101
DePaul
BE
+7.20
30
2000
233
1997
150
0
0
2
0
0
0
2

Looking at the Big East like...

Matt1010 · Aug 9, 2019

To clarify, this is NOT a ranking of the best programs since 1997. He is trying to determine which programs are currently the most attractive and I think it's pretty right on for us. I'd have us in the 15-20 range.

Inyatkin · Aug 9, 2019

30

Cincinnati

Amer

+20.58

2

2002

141

2007

27

4

11

19

0

2

18

those last three numbers ...

kobe · Aug 9, 2019

Inyatkin said:
30 Cincinnati Amer +20.58 2 2002 141 2007 27 4 11 19 0 0 2 18

those last three numbers ...

delete this

and also delete your account

and also delete your life

ty

Austin316 · Aug 9, 2019

kobe said:
delete this

and also delete your account

and also delete your life

ty

I love the intensity but you need to take a nap.

Waquoit · Aug 9, 2019

Ken Pom had us 10th after we won 11 straight against 7 ranked teams. What good is he?

ZenConn · Aug 9, 2019

Inyatkin said:
30 Cincinnati Amer +20.58 2 2002 141 2007 27 4 11 19 0 0 2 18

those last three numbers ...

Not much better here either.

25

Xavier

BE

+21.48

12

1998

81

2005

31

0

11

16

0

7

17

ConnHuskBask · Aug 9, 2019

Biggest surprises to me were Texas at #10 and Maryland at #14.

Texas more so for the lack of success, and Maryland because I think it's a fish out of water in the Big10 (albeit a very rich fish).

scoscox · Aug 9, 2019

ZenConn said:
Not much better here either.

25 Xavier BE +21.48 12 1998 81 2005 31 0 11 16 0 0 7 17

5 more sweet sixteens, 3 more elite eights. More sweet sixteen appearances than anyone in either league not named UConn. How is that not much better?

navery12 · Aug 9, 2019

Waquoit said:
Ken Pom had us 10th after we won 11 straight against 7 ranked teams. What good is he?

You do realize it's not him just choosing where to rank teams right?

Leebo · Aug 10, 2019

Ah, a good old kenpom thread, always good for exposing people who have no idea what kenpom rankings are

pj · Aug 10, 2019

AuRevoirAAC said:
So let me get this straight...the team with the most championships in that span is ranked #19?
Tells you all you need to know about KenPom.

This tells you that Jim Calhoun and Calhoun-coached players were winners. They rose to the occasion in winning time. (As did Ollie-coached players, for his first two years.)

uconnyankee · Aug 10, 2019

AuRevoirAAC said:
So let me get this straight...the team with the most championships in that span is ranked #19?
Tells you all you need to know about KenPom.

Uconn's inconsistent rankings are what hurts. Pretty sure the standout stat is that '179' in 2018.
Feast or famine. It's resulted in 4 NC's but it's also resulted in some missed tourney's.

From 94-2014, I'd say Uconn is a Top 5 program. Not even debatable.
But when you add the last several seasons, there is a little work needed to restore the program. Shows how far the program had fallen recently.

Waquoit · Aug 10, 2019

navery12 said:
You do realize it's not him just choosing where to rank teams right?

What does this mean?

whaler11 · Aug 10, 2019

Waquoit said:
What does this mean?

it means that his model which is proven to be very accurate ignores the bias that people feel the need to cry about when they don’t like the results.

Waquoit · Aug 10, 2019

whaler11 said:
it means that his model which is proven to be very accurate ignores the bias that people feel the need to cry about when they don’t like the results.

Accurate at what?

whaler11 · Aug 10, 2019

Waquoit said:
Accurate at what?

Determining the realtive quality of college basketball teams.

If you disagree i’m more than happy to book your wagers against the kenpom score prediction.

Waquoit · Aug 10, 2019

whaler11 said:
Determining the realtive quality of college basketball teams.

If you disagree i’m more than happy to book your wagers against the kenpom score prediction.

I'm sure you would be happy to book my bets. But you seem like the kind of guy that wouldn't pay off. But I'm sure you would have good explanation.

whaler11 · Aug 10, 2019

Waquoit said:
I'm sure you would be happy to book my bets. But you seem like the kind of guy that wouldn't pay off. But I'm sure you would have good explanation.

lol - yeah making up a idiotic personal attack is about all you’ve got when youve just been spewing nonsense

i actually put my money where my mouth is.... don’t worry i knew you arent one to back up when you flap your gums

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