Kemba Walker...

[InKembaITrust]

Watching that 11 wins in 19 days Kemba team was some of the most exciting Uconn basketball of all time.

As always, In Kemba I Trust.

 

[Huskybass]

I haven't missed anything. I've addressed every one of your points, even when you attempt to move the goal posts.

Saying that you wouldn't bet against Walker being inducted into the Hall of Fame pretty much directly contradicts "not saying he is a likely hall of famer." Which is it? Also 7-8 years of current performance likely wouldn't cut it either. Steve Nash won his MVPs at 31 and 32 and then played nine more seasons after that.

As much fun as March/April 2011 was, I would absolutely bet against his induction into The Naismith Hall. It's a bet not worth making though.

Another 7-8 years of all star caliber performance and he absolutely gets in. He doesn't have enough credentials to get in YET, but by the end of his career he certainly could. And I certainly wouldnt bet against him, especially given all the productive years still ahead of him.

 

[Mr. French]

Must have missed when Manning was inducted into the Hall of Fame...Nope. I didn't.

That’s my mistake. Nevertheless, the overall point stands.

Their college careers do matter.

So I’m clear, I’m not saying it’s likely either. I just haven’t dismissed the possibility outright.

 

[Husky25]

Another 7-8 years of all star caliber performance and he absolutely gets in. He doesn't have enough credentials to get in YET, but by the end of his career he certainly could. And I certainly wouldnt bet against him, especially given all the productive years still ahead of him.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night. Should have recognized after the first response that nothing will convince you otherwise. That's on me, but given the lack of angles in trying to reason with the unreasonable, I also recognize when it is time to bow out.

 

[UofCT]

From the beginning I used the word "could" not "will". Kemba has a long way to go, but if he keeps playing like he has his past 2 seasons, he will certainly be a candidate that will be worthy of consideration. I don't see why this is so difficult to comprehend.

And the comparison to Danny Granger is baffling. Granger was an all star once in his career, while Kemba has been an all star the past two years

Must be very baffling to you that Kobe Bryant (18-time All Star) is compared to Michael Jordan (14-time All Star).

 

[Huskybass]

Must be very baffling to you that Kobe Bryant (18-time All Star) is compared to Michael Jordan (14-time All Star).

Danny Granger didnt win a National Championship in college and was not the Most Outstanding Player of the Final 4. He also does not hold any NBA team records like Kemba does as the all time scoring leader for the Hornets (with half a career to go).

Granger only made one All Star team in his whole career. Kemba should have many by the time he retires. Poor comparison.

 

[UofCT]

What you are missing is that Kemba is still in his 20's and has many productive years ahead of him, and already has a slew of significant accomplishments. I am not saying he is a likely hall of famer, but he certainly has a legitimate shot if he plays at his current level for another 7 or 8 years.

Kemba was the 3rd injury replacement in the All Star Game. Stop pretending like he was so dominate and earned an all star bid outright. He needed 3 players to get hurt and he was still a questionable add as Ben Simmons had a better season on a better team. He failed to lead his team to the playoffs in arguably the worst conference in NBA history the past 2 seasons IN HIS PRIME.

 

[UofCT]

Danny Granger didnt win a National Championship in college and was not the Most Outstanding Player of the Final 4. He also does not hold any NBA team records like Kemba does as the all time scoring leader for the Hornets (with half a career to go).

Granger only made one All Star team in his whole career. Kemba should have many by the time he retires. Poor comparison.

Absolutely LOVE how much being the all time leading scorer for the Hornets means to you. When Alonzo Mourning gave his HOF speech I missed the part about how being the Hornets all time leader in blocked shots was the greatest achievement of his career.

Okafor is there all time leading rebounder = HOF
Dell Curry is there all time leader in FGs = HOF
Mugsy Bogues all time leader in assists = HOF

 

[Huskybass]

Absolutely LOVE how much being the all time leading scorer for the Hornets means to you. When Alonzo Mourning gave his HOF speech I missed the part about how being the Hornets all time leader in blocked shots was the greatest achievement of his career.

Okafor is there all time leading rebounder = HOF
Dell Curry is there all time leader in FGs = HOF
Mugsy Bogues all time leader in assists = HOF

The point is that at the age of 28 he has already compiled some very significant statistics, and he still has half his career to go. His last 2 seasons have been his best statistically. Another 7 or 8 seasons like the last 2 and he will have well over 20,000 points in the NBA. Its not like he is some scrub, he hit 10 3's in a game this past season.

Calvin Murphy is in the Hall of Fame with a resume that isnt incredibly impressive. Take a look at his accomplishments.

I think Kemba is a hall of fame caliber player who needs to produce a while longer to get there. I guess we agree to disagree.

 

[UofCT]

The point is that at the age of 28 he has already compiled some very significant statistics, and he still has half his career to go. His last 2 seasons have been his best statistically. Another 7 or 8 seasons like the last 2 and he will have well over 20,000 points in the NBA. Its not like he is some scrub, he hit 10 3's in a game this past season.

I think he is a hall of fame caliber player who needs to produce a while longer to get there. I guess we agree to disagree.

Disagreeing on things that I don't necessarily believe in will get me through the summer. Kemba gets in the conversation when he goes to Lakers or Celtics and helps a team go deep. Would love to see Kemba for Lonzo + player to match salaries trade go down. A few years on a team with a superstar and he gets into the Kyrie Irving category. He has to leave Charlotte. The Batum contract is awful, the Howard experiment was bad, and these draft picks of Zeller, Kaminsky, and Monk have not panned out. I did think Monk would be a stud though.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

“Criteria for inductionEdit
In contrast to the Pro Football and the National Baseball Halls of Fame, Springfield honors international and American professionals, as well as American and international amateurs, making it arguably the most comprehensive Hall of Fame among major sports. Since 2011, the induction process employs a total of seven committees to both screen and elect candidates. Four of these committees screen prospective candidates”


It’s a basketball HOF not an NBA HOF , thanks for that fact.
The NBA is only a small part of Basketball history a true World Game.
Any B.B. HOF without Wooden or the Globetrotters is pretty pathetic.
If they decide that Kemba Walker leading a bunch of freshman who finished 9th in their league to inprobably win 5 games in 5 days for the league championship .
Then go on to win 6 more to win he NC is important enough for one of their committee to find worty of remembering. Why not , That a story that 50 years from now that will still compelling especially if it’s never done again. It has legend potential.
Whether an NBA fan thinks that’s its a worthy story or not is really irrelevant.

 

[RichZ]

It occurs to me that as of now, Kemba's backup at PG is a lock for the HOF. When you're playing ahead of a guy that's gonna get in, you'd damned well better get in too.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

It occurs to me that as of now, Kemba's backup at PG is a lock for the HOF. When you're playing ahead of a guy that's gonna get in, you'd damned well better get in too.

I’m not too sure it works like that...

 

[Husky25]

It occurs to me that as of now, Kemba's backup at PG is a lock for the HOF. When you're playing ahead of a guy that's gonna get in, you'd damned well better get in too.

Yeah, all he need is 7-8 hall of fame caliber seasons over the next 7-8 years.

 

[UofCT]

Yeah, all he need is 7-8 hall of fame caliber seasons over the next 7-8 years.

Or 1-2 more sportsmanship awards. Right @Hans Sprungfeld?

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

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Or 1-2 more sportsmanship awards. Right @Hans Sprungfeld?

Don't bet against it!

 

[UofCT]

Don't bet against it!

Kind of shocked how good of a career Tony Parker has had. Career averages of 16ppg, 6a, 3r, and 1s
-6 ASG
-3 All NBA 2nd Teams
- 1 All NBA 3rd Team
-Rookie of the Year
-MVP 07 Finals
-Had MVP votes in 7 different seasons
-4 Championships

Look at Tim Hardaway's career (not in HOF)
-5 ASG
- 1 All NBA 1st Team
-3 All NBA 2nd Teams
-1 All NBA 3rd Team
-Had MVP votes in 4 different seasons

Career averages of 18 ppg, 8 assists, 1.5 rbs, 1 steal

Pretty close but Tony is considered a lock and Tim H isn't in yet.

Edit- Did some research and he made some awful comments about Jon Amaechi. That will do it.

 

[Hogoff]

Lakers need to drop Lonzo and bring in Kemba. That’d be fun.

He’s put up 20ppg for 3 straight years and is over 18 and 5 for for a 7 year career. I think most remarkable is his almost 3:1 assist:TO ratio as a guy who has been the primary ball handler for bad teams. That’s crazy. Not to mention my great dog shares his name. View attachment 33098

My dogs nam is Kemba too!

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Kind of shocked how good of a career Tony Parker has had. Career averages of 16ppg, 6a, 3r, and 1s
-6 ASG
-3 All NBA 2nd Teams
- 1 All NBA 3rd Team
-Rookie of the Year
-MVP 07 Finals
-Had MVP votes in 7 different seasons
-4 Championships

Look at Tim Hardaway's career (not in HOF)
-5 ASG
- 1 All NBA 1st Team
-3 All NBA 2nd Teams
-1 All NBA 3rd Team
-Had MVP votes in 4 different seasons

Career averages of 18 ppg, 8 assists, 1.5 rbs, 1 steal

Pretty close but Tony is considered a lock and Tim H isn't in yet.

Edit- Did some research and he made some awful comments about Jon Amaechi. That will do it.

When all's considered in this thread so far, I don't think anyone is disputing the 1.5% chance that is currently projected for Kemba. Kawhi Leonard's 6% doesn't seem all that impressive either. Still, both aren't yet 30, and if Leonard were to sustain and Walker exceeds what they've already accomplished over the coming decade, then you've got one guy in and one who could be considered. I think all of KW's barriers have been laid out, and they are not inconsiderable, but the only assertion, originally, was not to bet against him.

In late 2010, I blurted out, "He's the best player in college basketball" during the Hawaii tourney. If someone had said, "Don't bet against him leading UConn winning 11 straight games," I would have laughed, even though I thought he got too few calls during the Big East season and would do better in the NCAA tournament after the miracle of MSG in the wake of the Maker's Muppet post. I'm not sure the OP ever intended more than that type of consideration.

Especially because I don't really follow the NBA, I found it educational & gratifying that Kemba has turned into his team's star. But without my watching NBA until round two of the playoffs, I've only seen YouTube highlights and a bit more since he wore a UConn jersey.

I'd love to see him get with a good team, break into a next level, and make a mark big enough to land in Springfield. Even with your not unwarranted skepticism, I'd wager you would too. Who wouldn't?

And yeah, I do like that he's won 2 sportsmanship awards too. One to cancel Hansbrough and the other to cancel Fredette.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Uhhhhhh thread title???

 

[Husky25]

Granted, the 1.5% is whether they will make the Hall of Fame with their accomplishments to date, but saying, "don't bet against it," indicates there is a better than average chance (i.e 6/5 or pick'em). Not a just a slim possibility.

As much as I appeciate his accomplishments, Kemba not making the Naismith Hall is a bet I'd make every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Granted, the 1.5% is whether they will make the Hall of Fame with their accomplishments to date, but saying, "don't bet against it," indicates there is a better than average chance (i.e 6/5 or pick'em). Not a just a slim possibility.

As much as I appeciate his accomplishments, Kemba not making the Naismith Hall is a bet I'd make every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Happy Sunday.

 

[Husky25]

Happy Sunday.

Thank you. To you as well.

 

[pj]

Granted, the 1.5% is whether they will make the Hall of Fame with their accomplishments to date, but saying, "don't bet against it," indicates there is a better than average chance (i.e 6/5 or pick'em). Not a just a slim possibility.

As much as I appeciate his accomplishments, Kemba not making the Naismith Hall is a bet I'd make every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

You'd take the non-Kemba side on a straight bet, but what odds would make you flip? I'd take Kemba at 3:1.

 

[PAHusky]

You'd take the non-Kemba side on a straight bet, but what odds would make you flip? I'd take Kemba at 3:1.

I think any objective basketball fan would still take non-Kemba side at 3:1. Come on. I hate to denigrate a guy who I consider 1a or 1b as the greatest men's husky player of all time, but he's 28 and he's made 2 all start teams. Has he made an olympic team? Does he get consistent call ups to the training camps? Honestly, 1.5% chance seems right for Kemba and even maybe a bit too much. He's not making it. Drummond, of all our recent alums, probably has the best shot (albeit probably just as long as Kemba's chances) because he's younger, he's got one insane attribute, and he has plenty of time in his career to end up on a team that wins him a few championships.

 

[pj]

I think any objective basketball fan would still take non-Kemba side at 3:1. Come on. I hate to denigrate a guy who I consider 1a or 1b as the greatest men's husky player of all time, but he's 28 and he's made 2 all start teams. Has he made an olympic team? Does he get consistent call ups to the training camps? Honestly, 1.5% chance seems right for Kemba and even maybe a bit too much. He's not making it. Drummond, of all our recent alums, probably has the best shot (albeit probably just as long as Kemba's chances) because he's younger, he's got one insane attribute, and he has plenty of time in his career to end up on a team that wins him a few championships.

Point guards can have long careers. Two comparables:

• Steve Nash, who entered the Hall of Fame this year, played 19 seasons. He made 8 all star teams. His first was in 2001-2002 when he was -- wait for it -- 28 years old.
• Jason Kidd, who also entered the Hall of Fame this year, played 19 seasons. He made 10 all star teams. By the time he was 28, he had made 3 all star games (1996, 1998, 2000).

So at age 28, Kemba's career is running a little ahead of Steve Nash's and a bit behind Jason Kidd's. Still, it's a pretty typical career track for Hall of Fame point guards, who have their best years from age 28-36.

A lot depends on him getting onto a top team and being able to combine top performance with winning. Stats are always more impressive when gained on a winning team with top teammates.

Agree that Drummond has a great chance too, but big men have shorter careers.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

I think any objective basketball fan would still take non-Kemba side at 3:1. Come on. I hate to denigrate a guy who I consider 1a or 1b as the greatest men's husky player of all time, but he's 28 and he's made 2 all start teams. Has he made an olympic team? Does he get consistent call ups to the training camps? Honestly, 1.5% chance seems right for Kemba and even maybe a bit too much. He's not making it. Drummond, of all our recent alums, probably has the best shot (albeit probably just as long as Kemba's chances) because he's younger, he's got one insane attribute, and he has plenty of time in his career to end up on a team that wins him a few championships.

Andre will probably end up a top 5 rebounder of all time, in total rebounds, if he remains at his current pace through the rest of his prime. If he can consistently average 18-20 PPG for his 26-31 year old seasons that’ll obviously enhance his case. But being one of the greatest rebounders ever if, (and yes I know big if) he can stay healthy, he will have a good shot.

 

[Husky25]

Point guards can have long careers. Two comparables:

• Steve Nash, who entered the Hall of Fame this year, played 19 seasons. He made 8 all star teams. His first was in 2001-2002 when he was -- wait for it -- 28 years old.
• Jason Kidd, who also entered the Hall of Fame this year, played 19 seasons. He made 10 all star teams. By the time he was 28, he had made 3 all star games (1996, 1998, 2000).

So at age 28, Kemba's career is running a little ahead of Steve Nash's and a bit behind Jason Kidd's. Still, it's a pretty typical career track for Hall of Fame point guards, who have their best years from age 28-36.

A lot depends on him getting onto a top team and being able to combine top performance with winning. Stats are always more impressive when gained on a winning team with top teammates.

Agree that Drummond has a great chance too, but big men have shorter careers.

Kidd made his 5th All-Star game in his age 28th year ('01-'02). He was an All Star in '96, '98, '00, and '01 previously. He also led the league in assists 3 times by then and received MVP votes in 5 seasons before his 28 Y.O. year.

Be that as it may, both Nash and Kidd are anecdotal. In fact, I've said in previous posts in this thread, that Kemba would have to become the second coming of Steve Nash to make the Hall. I think he has about the same chances of doing both. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't bet on it. He's going to make an S-ton of money and there is nothing wrong with being a really good NBA player.

 

[Huskybass]

I love Kemba and I can't wait to see him in a bigger market on a team with championship aspirations

But he's not going to be a hall of famer, come on.

Oh really?

 

[Husky25]

Walker is going to ride his 4 year Celtic contract (and likely 3 year renewal) down The Pike and into the Hall of Fame. He's going to surpass Steve Nash. Book it.