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There are a number of posters that use terms like must or should and other absolutes in regards such things. Analysis is almost always helpful if it is left as analysis.

i see nothing wrong with someone saying "should" if they feel strongly about something. other posters then are free to say "should not", if they feel that way. i don't see what the problem is with stating an opinion. "monday morning quarterbacking " has been around longer than anyone here, and it ain't going away anytime soon. what is to be avoided is attacking players, coaches, or other posters. stating an opinion is far from an attack.
 
Hartley just needs a little more time to get into her groove. Making a PG change would be a really bad thing to tinker with. Mulkey is tinkering with Johnson at the point and Sims at the 2 and it just doesn't work.
 
i see nothing wrong with someone saying "should" if they feel strongly about something. other posters then are free to say "should not", if they feel that way. i don't see what the problem is with stating an opinion. "monday morning quarterbacking " has been around longer than anyone here, and it ain't going away anytime soon. what is to be avoided is attacking players, coaches, or other posters. stating an opinion is far from an attack.
No problem with that being your opinion, however, I just think that most folks don't have a clue about strategy or game planning or what is going on with the team behind the scenes and therefore trying to outguess the coaches is just a vanity. Those folks, generally, prove a lack of understanding every time they say the things they do. It is really about the old saw better to be thought a fool and remain silent than to speak and remove all doubt. Could is usually better than should and simply saying I don't understand why Geno doesn't is probably best of all.
 
No problem with that being your opinion, however, I just think that most folks don't have a clue about strategy or game planning or what is going on with the team behind the scenes and therefore trying to outguess the coaches is just a vanity. Those folks, generally, prove a lack of understanding every time they say the things they do. It is really about the old saw better to be thought a fool and remain silent than to speak and remove all doubt. Could is usually better than should and simply saying I don't understand why Geno doesn't is probably best of all.

You must be a blast at a party.
 
No problem with that being your opinion, however, I just think that most folks don't have a clue about strategy or game planning or what is going on with the team behind the scenes and therefore trying to outguess the coaches is just a vanity. Those folks, generally, prove a lack of understanding every time they say the things they do. It is really about the old saw better to be thought a fool and remain silent than to speak and remove all doubt. Could is usually better than should and simply saying I don't understand why Geno doesn't is probably best of all.

it would be a very quiet board, indeed, if posters only commented about things that they truly understood.
 
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Has anyone on the BY suggested this?

Probably crazy but consider this:

1. The offense has not been flowing
2. Can't do PG by committee, someone's got to do most of the minutes
3. MJ is not ready
4. Love CD but she's too hobbled to take the bulk of the minutes
5. I have to agree with Doris Burke that Bria is not a true PG. Geno or CD said in the offseason that they were eager to move Bria to the 2, right?
6. Moving Kelly to the 1 actually helps in terms of other players being at their most natural position with Bria moving to 2 and KML being almost exclusively at the 3.
7. Kelly is probably our best passer, has superb instincts for the flow of the game and is always in the right position.

Probably crazy but there's some logic to it.
I don't think it,s crazy at all I think it makes a ton of sense with the lone exception that she may not be fast enough and you loose some rebounding and steals by putting her at the top of the key.
 
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I think the biggest problem is the lack of team speed, not point guard. I have only seen 2 games, in these games I have seen very few easy transition baskets.
They are fast but can not handle the ball as well as the seasoned guards of the past.
 
Well, all the worrying and suggestions in the world from you or me isn't going to change a thing on this team. Our solutions have little connection to anything the team is doing in practice or that the coaches are likely to suggest. Relax and enjoy the ride.
Sorry I'm like Geno I'll only enjoy the ride if it leads to a championship for our team. And I don't think the seniors will enjoy a ride that doesn't include a championship! You play to WIN!!!!!!!
 
If you assume (as I do) that Stef, Stewie, and KML all have to start, then you only have 2 guards that you can play at one time. It's clear to me (and, I would think, to most reasonable observers) that the two best guards on the team are Kelly and Bria. Neither one may be a natural point guard (neither are Caroline or Brianna), but they are clearly the best choices available, and they are very good guards. So (as Geno has suggested a few times), they will both just be guards, with no sharp distinction between the 1 and the 2. Unless you are willing to use Moriah as the starting PG (and give up a ton of experience and maturity just for the sake of having a natural and speedy PG), you are stuck with that situation. Nearly all of the remaining top teams would be delighted to be "stuck" with that, especially given the depth that lies behind it.

I have no comprehension of posters who say that Bria and Kelly cannot dribble, or that a team with those two plus Moriah and Brianna playing significant minutes does not have sufficient speed. If there aren't enough "easy transition baskets", that probably reflects a defensive rebounding issue. (Or the fact that Maryland and Penn State, being Top 10 teams, play good transition defense.)
 
To me a good PG means that they start the offense, make the right read on which offensive set to run, get the ball in transition, etc. The way UConn plays almost negates having one player do all that. They run a motion offense where players are all over the court, and the PG really just makes the initial pass.

In transition, the rebounders are always looking for outlets, and it could be either of the guards or even KML or Stewart if they are in the right position.

Obviously, if you have someone like Sue Bird on your team, then you have more of a traditional PG. But those are few and far between, and I think Geno has done a great job adapting to the strengths of his players.
 
it would be a very quiet board, indeed, if posters only commented about things that they truly understood.
But it might be refreshing if they, actually, sought out the information. I gave a list of people who provide all sorts interesting insights and information and it only scratched the surface. I could have included VAMike, VAUConn, vtc, sakibomb, cardfan, easttexas, alex, cam, triduke, cferraro, HuskyNan, cohenzone, meyers and yourself and more as additional contributors who rarely give pretense to advising the staff as to what needs to be done to fix a team that just two weeks ago was being touted as competition for the title of best ever. Neither best nor broken accurately describes the team at this point. Sure everyone suggests a remedy once in awhile that's all and good, especially if they share some observable and learnable reasons for what they suggest. What I am speaking of are those who rarely post on the board except to state what must be done and usually aim it at the team and staff as if they were ignorant of the possibility of the problem.

Each year I have suggested that folks check out the basketball materials that are part of the Art and Science of Coaching series along with other books and websites related to basketball and coaching. Last year I purchased a four DVD set from All Access that focused ONLY on the goals and drills of the first three or four days of UConn practice. It is fascinating. And I bought two books on the Princeton offense. This year I am reading Bob Huggins contribution "Coaching Zone Offense: Attacking unconventional Defenses," and "Drills and Skills for Youth Basketball."

There is a great deal of information out there for anyone who truly wants to understand the game. One thing that happens when you begin to wade through the available material is you realize there is rarely any single thing that must be done and almost everything is dependent upon two or three other things. Watching a well coached team there are reasons for most everything and few things that are necessity and those are usually the fundamentals we teach the youngest players.
 
Only Stef, KML, Kelly, Bria have to start, and 3 of those 4 are scorers. The 5th starter needs to be someone who doesn't have to have the ball a lot, and that would be Caroline. Having that starting five gives you much better spacing, and motion for the offense.
 
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If you assume (as I do) that Stef, Stewie, and KML all have to start, then you only have 2 guards that you can play at one time. It's clear to me (and, I would think, to most reasonable observers) that the two best guards on the team are Kelly and Bria. Neither one may be a natural point guard (neither are Caroline or Brianna), but they are clearly the best choices available, and they are very good guards. So (as Geno has suggested a few times), they will both just be guards, with no sharp distinction between the 1 and the 2. Unless you are willing to use Moriah as the starting PG (and give up a ton of experience and maturity just for the sake of having a natural and speedy PG), you are stuck with that situation. Nearly all of the remaining top teams would be delighted to be "stuck" with that, especially given the depth that lies behind it.

I have no comprehension of posters who say that Bria and Kelly cannot dribble, or that a team with those two plus Moriah and Brianna playing significant minutes does not have sufficient speed. If there aren't enough "easy transition baskets", that probably reflects a defensive rebounding issue. (Or the fact that Maryland and Penn State, being Top 10 teams, play good transition defense.)
I agree the rebounding especially defensive rebounds has been abysmal especially by Dolson who is not playing to her potential. the other problem is Stewie can't pass so instead of being in the High post where presumable she would be the greatest threat Dolson is stuck at high post which cuts down her effectiveness on the boards. And although Stef has an outside shot it is not as reliable as Stewie's and the range is not as great which allows the defenses to clog the middle.
 
I agree the rebounding especially defensive rebounds has been abysmal especially by Dolson who is not playing to her potential. the other problem is Stewie can't pass so instead of being in the High post where presumable she would be the greatest threat Dolson is stuck at high post which cuts down her effectiveness on the boards.
Actually Dolson is right were she is normally in rebounding. She is never going to be a great rebounder. She doesn't have that innate ability like a Rodman (right place, right time, just instinctively knows where the ball is going). Nor is she quick or athletic and can get to the ball. She can box out and is tall and works hard.

Dolson's not a bad rebounder, but not great. She will most likely end up in the top 10 of UCONN rebounders, career wise. She's on pace for around 900 which would put her right around Cash (910).

Stewart on the other hand could be a great rebounder. She's quick and athletic (jumping), tall and has the long reach. She may even have some of that innate ability of being in the right place, right time. She needs the strength component on boxing out, but that will probably come as she matures and hits the weights.

Both of them could be a little stronger holding onto the ball when they get it.
 
Actually Dolson is right were she is normally in rebounding. She is never going to be a great rebounder. She doesn't have that innate ability like a Rodman (right place, right time, just instinctively knows where the ball is going). Nor is she quick or athletic and can get to the ball. She can box out and is tall and works hard.

Dolson's not a bad rebounder, but not great. She will most likely end up in the top 10 of UCONN rebounders, career wise. She's on pace for around 900 which would put her right around Cash (910).

Stewart on the other hand could be a great rebounder. She's quick and athletic (jumping), tall and has the long reach. She may even have some of that innate ability of being in the right place, right time. She needs the strength component on boxing out, but that will probably come as she matures and hits the weights.

Both of them could be a little stronger holding onto the ball when they get it.

I'm sure this off season Brianna will be pumping iron...
 
Actually Dolson is right were she is normally in rebounding. She is never going to be a great rebounder. She doesn't have that innate ability like a Rodman (right place, right time, just instinctively knows where the ball is going). Nor is she quick or athletic and can get to the ball. She can box out and is tall and works hard.

Dolson's not a bad rebounder, but not great. She will most likely end up in the top 10 of UCONN rebounders, career wise. She's on pace for around 900 which would put her right around Cash (910).

Stewart on the other hand could be a great rebounder. She's quick and athletic (jumping), tall and has the long reach. She may even have some of that innate ability of being in the right place, right time. She needs the strength component on boxing out, but that will probably come as she matures and hits the weights.

Both of them could be a little stronger holding onto the ball when they get it.
Dolson may be on track for 900 but she is the tallest post UConn has had in a long time. She needs to be better! Or more precisely the team needs for her to be better! It is a poor commentary on her that Stokes who gets little playing time is a better rebounder than her. Remember When Cash was rebounding there were other players pulling down rebounds as well!!!!
 
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Dolson may be on track for 900 but she is the tallest post UConn has had in a long time. She needs to be better! Or more precisely the team needs for her to be better! It is a poor commentary on her...
Since none of us know what the coaching staff has asked of her, and what her instructions are in any game, I think it a presumptious to state "she needs to be better. & it's a poor commentary...blah blah blah".
Further, she's not your (or my) personal entertainment center. Dolson's rebounding might be YOUR point of emphasis, but it might not be the point of emphasis for the coaching staff.
 
Dolson may be on track for 900 but she is the tallest post UConn has had in a long time. She needs to be better! Or more precisely the team needs for her to be better! It is a poor commentary on her that Stokes who gets little playing time is a better rebounder than her. Remember When Cash was rebounding there were other players pulling down rebounds as well!!!!
No, she doesn't, what she needs to do is fulfill the staff' s expectations. She often redirects 3 to 4 rebounds a game to other players.
 
Dolson may be on track for 900 but she is the tallest post UConn has had in a long time. She needs to be better! Or more precisely the team needs for her to be better! It is a poor commentary on her that Stokes who gets little playing time is a better rebounder than her. Remember When Cash was rebounding there were other players pulling down rebounds as well!!!!
Well Charles was 6-4 and that wasn't too long ago. Dolson's never going to be a Charles. She doesn't have the athletism. She is doing ok. Like I said, she's never going to be great at rebounding.

Agreed Stokes is a good rebounder. She's more athletic and has a better knack. But that's pretty much her main purpose when she's out there too. Dolson is also a scorer.....big one at that. Much better passer too. Are you going to complain about Stokes not passing well enough for ya?
 
Since none of us know what the coaching staff has asked of her, and what her instructions are in any game, I think it a presumptious to state "she needs to be better. & it's a poor commentary...blah blah blah".
Further, she's not your (or my) personal entertainment center. Dolson's rebounding might be YOUR point of emphasis, but it might not be the point of emphasis for the coaching staff.
The players have all said that rebounding is high on coach A's list as it is the basis of the transition game and the easy shots that UConn is known for! As for BLAH, Blah, Blah, what makes your opinion any more valid than mine. The coach has said at numerous halftime interviews he was unhappy with the rebounding. Don't you pay attention to what he says during the game telecasts?????
 
Well Charles was 6-4 and that wasn't too long ago. Dolson's never going to be a Charles. She doesn't have the athletism. She is doing ok. Like I said, she's never going to be great at rebounding.

Agreed Stokes is a good rebounder. She's more athletic and has a better knack. But that's pretty much her main purpose when she's out there too. Dolson is also a scorer.....big one at that. Much better passer too. Are you going to complain about Stokes not passing well enough for ya?
Not lately she hasn't been a scorer she has been flat since the A&M game
 
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Well Charles was 6-4 and that wasn't too long ago. Dolson's never going to be a Charles. She doesn't have the athletism. She is doing ok. Like I said, she's never going to be great at rebounding.

Agreed Stokes is a good rebounder. She's more athletic and has a better knack. But that's pretty much her main purpose when she's out there too. Dolson is also a scorer.....big one at that. Much better passer too. Are you going to complain about Stokes not passing well enough for ya?
She is a great passer but so are many other players ie. Kelly Farris and as great as it is to have a post that is a great passer she needs first and foremost to control the boards and score in the post!!!!!
 
No, she doesn't, what she needs to do is fulfill the staff' s expectations. She often redirects 3 to 4 rebounds a game to other players.
I was not aware that you had any more of a direct line to the staff than any of us!!!! I doubt that the staff want her redirecting anything! If she can reach it to redirect than she should pull it in and pass on def board and shoot or reset on offensive board. That is what a Post player at final four level play is trained and expected to do!
 
.... she needs first and foremost to control the boards and score in the post!!!!!
Like I said- YOU have zero idea what the coaching staff has told her. All you know is a general statement which Geno has made regarding the team as a whole.
... I doubt that the staff want her redirecting anything! If she can reach it to redirect than she should pull it in....
That is just silly. It's LOTS easier to tip a ball in a direction than to gain full control. It's pretty obvious by that comment, you have never actually played the game.
If you don't like the way the team plays the game, not happy with Step or what she does on the floor, please pick a different team. It won't hurt my feelings.
 
I was not aware that you had any more of a direct line to the staff than any of us!!!! I doubt that the staff want her redirecting anything! If she can reach it to redirect than she should pull it in and pass on def board and shoot or reset on offensive board. That is what a Post player at final four level play is trained and expected to do!
We don't need a direct line. I think it's safe to assume the players are doing what the staff wants them to do. All we have to do to analyze is see who doesn't get minutes. Those are the people who aren't doing what the coaches want done. Stef gets minutes.

To me, a redirect is just a fast way to pass.

Comparing a 5 with those at other positions is invalid in my opinion. The appropriate comparison is to other 5s on our team and the teams we play. Dolson does well in that regard.
 
I was not aware that you had any more of a direct line to the staff than any of us!!!! I doubt that the staff want her redirecting anything! If she can reach it to redirect than she should pull it in and pass on def board and shoot or reset on offensive board. That is what a Post player at final four level play is trained and expected to do!
Actually, it is a technique regularly used by UConn rebounders when they cannot reach the ball to grasp it. It only takes fingertips to redirect it. Dolson, Faris, KML, along with Maya in the past frequently did or do tip the ball out to teammates denying the opponent the rebound and keeping it alive. It is a technique practiced by teams in tip drills. Your awareness of basketball drills and skills seems limited if you think that rebounding is only about grabbing the ball. As was, also, noted Dolson often screens opponents off the boards allowing Faris and other players to sweep up the boards. These are standard team rebounding techniques that depend on united function of players. If you would like recommendations of drills teaching this I can recommend Pat Anderson's material.
 
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