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Being from Prince Georges County Maryland I got to see a lot of De'Janae Boykins. Before she got hurt in her senior year she was a double-double machine with three point range. I was very high on her until I saw her play against Eleanor Roosevelt in the Maryland state regionals. There she was thoroughly outplayed by Kaila Charles who held her to 9 points. Maryland decided to go to Connecticut to sign Kiah Gillespie and got the verbal from Charles for 2016. Boykins may get her form back or maybe not but she will have to work extemely hard to get playing time.
Be careful what you wish for! I'm just gonna store away this post. You do realize that Maryland will be playing UCONN on a regular basis over the next few years which will give Miss Charles and Gillespie ample opportunity to get at The Queen De'Janae Boykins.
 
Why am I skeptical when a Maryland fan comes on the Boneyard to inform us that a UConn recruit was "thoroughly outplayed" by a Maryland recruit? Let's let wait and see how they actually perform in college before judging the talent of either player. I, for one, am pleased that Boykin is a Husky and believe she will be an important contributor during her career at UConn.
Flowers lost only twice that year, both times to Roosevelt, which was a powerhouse. In the second game--in the post-season--the score was ridiculously one-sided. DJB had a lot of early foul trouble. Maybe she was outplayed, but largely she was ineffective due to limited playing time. She was still named the Maryland Gatorade POY. I think Charles may be a really good one, but I'm unaware of anything suggesting that she's a better player then DJB.
 
Katie Lou is built a lot like Breanna just one inch shorter. Katie Lou is the better outside shooter and dribbler. Breanna is the better rebounder, shot blocker, post up player and better defender. Breanna is best in the toughest times. Let's hope Katie Lou is too. Also, Breanna has the ups that Katie Lou never will and neither will most women basketball players.
 
Katie Lou is built a lot like Breanna just one inch shorter. Katie Lou is the better outside shooter and dribbler. Breanna is the better rebounder, shot blocker, post up player and better defender. Breanna is best in the toughest times. Let's hope Katie Lou is too. Also, Breanna has the ups that Katie Lou never will and neither will most women basketball players.
I think Lou has a slightly larger frame though shorter arms than Stewart which suggests she may be able to add more bulk in the weight room. And she has pretty good ups on her jump shot which is a lot more accurate than Stewarts - she is in KML kind of territory at least through HS. And she is not bad around the basket either. Early days and all, but do not discount the potential.
 
Never said she doesn't have potential. She could be an all-time great Husky. What I said was that Katie Lou was a better outside shooter and dribbler and that Breanna is the better rebounder, shot blocker, post up player and better defender. Don't forget, Katie Lou won't be posting up against high school players, and there will be much more athletic players defending the rim when she does post up. When Katie Lou starts dunking the ball with either hand, then you can tell me about her ups, which aren't on the same planet or in the same galaxy as Breanna's. They aren't now and never will be.
 
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This photo array, of KLS, from her HS years(Edison and Mater Dei) was in the OC Register. I am not sure if it was posted here or not in the past.
http://www.ocvarsity.com/sections/article/gallery/?pic=1&id=78127&db=ocvarsity

Anyone know one of the spectators in the 2nd picture?
Does anybody agree that KLS resembles a young Caroline Kennedy? This may have been mentioned before (and maybe multiple times) but I don't recollect reading about it. In any case, she's going to be an awesome addition to the team, along with her fellow freshmen!
 
Never said she doesn't have potential. She could be an all-time great Husky. What I said was that Katie Lou was a better outside shooter and dribbler and that Breanna is the better rebounder, shot blocker, post up player and better defender. Don't forget, Katie Lou won't be posting up against high school players, and there will be much more athletic players defending the rim when she does post up. When Katie Lou starts dunking the ball with either hand, then you can tell me about her ups, which aren't on the same planet or in the same galaxy as Breanna's. They aren't now and never will be.
I don't quite understand where you say Breanna has these outstanding ups and that KLS won't ever compare. That's not what I see out of Breanna because I think it's an illusion based on her unbelievable wing span. I'm a super Breanna fan but I have never felt that she had great hops!
 
I don't quite understand where you say Breanna has these outstanding ups and that KLS won't ever compare. That's not what I see out of Breanna because I think it's an illusion based on her unbelievable wing span. I'm a super Breanna fan but I have never felt that she had great hops!

Why doesn't everyone be patient. We'll find out soon enough.
 
Buzzyboy, you need to get a pair of glasses because I don't know who you've been watching for the last three years, but you have not been watching Breanna Stewart.
 
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10,000 views... I added to it because I thought someone was giving away cars in here.
 
WELCOME Bill. I always enjoyed your postings in the Hartford Courant Uconn WBB column comments. You are intelligent, insightful, and knowledge able. My first postings in the Boneyard I referred to DavidNNaples as Bill thinking it you. You both know your stuff.
Nice to have a guy who doesn't get nasty, just writes the fact. Welcome.
I thank you for the welcome. I know I can be a little long "winded" but I am always taking the approach that I could actually be read by some common sense, reasonable, and logical people who might have a change of mind given what I present for an argument. I also try to be respectful as long as I can get that in return. In any case I am looking forward to the start of the season, who's the 5th starter, who starts getting minutes early on, etc. Stay healthy and look forward to a great year, maybe the ultimate record setter for Stewie and Mo.
 
Why am I skeptical when a Maryland fan comes on the Boneyard to inform us that a UConn recruit was "thoroughly outplayed" by a Maryland recruit? Let's let wait and see how they actually perform in college before judging the talent of either player. I, for one, am pleased that Boykin is a Husky and believe she will be an important contributor during her career at UConn.
The easy answer is in part it's your job to be skeptical of the "outsiders". Playing time has the potential to be more of an issue this year. Pulido and Lawler are not part of the problem. But if we accept Butler will be the 5th starter that is going to mean Williams, Chong, Ekmark with the 3 frosh will be competing for minutes. Circumstance may dictate if Gabby or Saniya is the first one off the bench. and then if Ekmark can stay ahead of KLS, Boykin, and Collier. All we need is time to answer.
 
I guess everyone has their own definition of what constitutes "incredible ups" -- in my estimation Stewie has a good vertical but certainly nothing I'd call "incredible" or she would dunk with ease, given her ridiculous wingspan (which is several inches greater than A'ja Wilson's, for example, and Wilson is a legit 6'5") and her height which is listed at 6'4". There are vids of her at the McD game putting a couple of dunks down and she's done a couple since but she's not far ahead (above) of 6'0" Maya Moore in this respect as Maya has been taped sneaking a few over (just barely) in her younger days. Recall that while Stewie is certainly capable--her assisted dunks are more comfortable than Maya's--she did miss her unassisted dunk attempts at First Night last year. It's not "easy" for her to do it.

So by comparison, since we know Maya's vertical is around 26"-28" or so, Stewie's is likely several inches lower. Even Maya's hops are not incredible - although she does incredible things with her still prodigious ability. YMMV but I save the "incredible" qualifier for players who we know are well into the 30s; this includes our own Gabby Williams and Lorin Dixon, Armintie (Price) Herrington and Brianna Turner. All of these women have been researched and discussed in past BY threads re: vertical and are documented at well over 30".

Maya actually has some extra gifts that allow her to use her vertical more effectively in game situations than others with the same measured leap, but I digress.
 
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I thank you for the welcome. I know I can be a little long "winded" but I am always taking the approach that I could actually be read by some common sense, reasonable, and logical people who might have a change of mind given what I present for an argument.
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Why am I skeptical when a Maryland fan comes on the Boneyard to inform us that a UConn recruit was "thoroughly outplayed" by a Maryland recruit? Let's let wait and see how they actually perform in college before judging the talent of either player. I, for one, am pleased that Boykin is a Husky and believe she will be an important contributor during her career at UConn.
The easy answer is in part it's your job to be skeptical of the "outsiders". Playing time has the potential to be more of an issue this year. Pulido and Lawler are not part of the problem. But if we accept Butler will be the 5th starter that is going to mean Williams, Chong, Ekmark with the 3 frosh will be competing for minutes. Circumstance may dictate if Gabby or Saniya is the first one off the bench. and then if Ekmark can stay ahead of KLS, Boykin, and Collier. All we need is time to answer.
Appreciate the perspective. I only said it's my approach, reality is far to many people out here never get past the delusions that they are always right. But I'll keep posting anyway.
 
The easy answer is in part it's your job to be skeptical of the "outsiders". Playing time has the potential to be more of an issue this year. Pulido and Lawler are not part of the problem. But if we accept Butler will be the 5th starter that is going to mean Williams, Chong, Ekmark with the 3 frosh will be competing for minutes. Circumstance may dictate if Gabby or Saniya is the first one off the bench. and then if Ekmark can stay ahead of KLS, Boykin, and Collier. All we need is time to answer.

Barring a transformational improvement of epic proportions, imagining Courtney EVER being able to "stay ahead" of Napheesa and Katie Lou in playing time boggles the mind. I'd love to see her play better, but (foot injury aside) even when 'healthy,' Courtney showed major weaknesses in many critical aspects of her game. Weaknesses that are innate and pretty damn difficult to dramatically improve.

Having seen Lou and Napheesa play so extraordinarily well at the International level (Courtney not), and given they are two of the highest (unanimously) ranked players in their class (#1 and #6), even given the big step-up to college play and the challenges freshmen face, playing fewer minutes than Ekmark this year would mean they've not nearly lived up to Geno's expectations, and they have hugely disappointed. And I just do not see that happening.

I love Courtney and wish her the best, but with Gabby (potentially starting!) and Saniya already well ahead of her on the depth chart, competing for minutes with the likes of our two fabulous freshmen Napheesa and Lou is going to prove to be a daunting challenge Courtney most likely cannot overcome.
 
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I guess everyone has their own definition of what constitutes "incredible ups" -- in my estimation Stewie has a good vertical but certainly nothing I'd call "incredible" or she would dunk with ease, given her ridiculous wingspan (which is several inches greater than A'ja Wilson's, for example, and Wilson is a legit 6'5") and her height which is listed at 6'4". There are vids of her at the McD game putting a couple of dunks down and she's done a couple since but she's not far ahead (above) of 6'0" Maya Moore in this respect as Maya has been taped sneaking a few over (just barely) in her younger days. Recall that while Stewie is certainly capable--her assisted dunks are more comfortable than Maya's--she did miss her unassisted dunk attempts at First Night last year. It's not "easy" for her to do it.

So by comparison, since we know Maya's vertical is around 26"-28" or so, Stewie's is likely several inches lower. Even Maya's hops are not incredible - although she does incredible things with her still prodigious ability. YMMV but I save the "incredible" qualifier for players who we know are well into the 30s; this includes our own Gabby Williams and Lorin Dixon, Armintie (Price) Herrington and Brianna Turner. All of these women have been researched and discussed in past BY threads re: vertical and are documented at well over 30".

Maya actually has some extra gifts that allow her to use her vertical more effectively in game situations than others with the same measured leap, but I digress.
Excellent post IMHO, and it goes back to the "debate" in another thread where I called Turner a better athlete that Stewart. a 7" wingspan gives the illusion of incredible athleticism, but Stewart is not incredibly athletic, just incredibly skilled and an incredible basketball player.
Barring a transformational improvement of epic proportions, imagining Courtney EVER being able to "stay ahead" of Napheesa and Katie Lou in playing time boggles the mind. I'd love to see her play better, but (foot injury aside) even when 'healthy,' Courtney showed major weaknesses in many critical aspects of her game. Weaknesses that are innate and pretty damn difficult to dramatically improve.

Having seen Lou and Napheesa play so extraordinarily well at the International level (Courtney not), and given they are two of the highest (unanimously) ranked players in their class (#1 and #6), even given the big step-up to college play and the challenges freshmen face, playing fewer minutes than Ekmark this year would mean they've not nearly lived up to Geno's expectations, and they have hugely disappointed. And I just do not see that happening.

I love Courtney and wish her the best, but with Gabby (potentially starting!) and Saniya already well ahead of her on the depth chart, competing for minutes with the likes of our two fabulous freshmen Napheesa and Lou is going to prove to be a daunting challenge Courtney most likely cannot overcome.
I LOVE all the players who come thru UCONN - no matter how they work out. Having said that, it's not unfair nor unkind IMHO to be realistic about players on the team and their skill-sets and potential. Potential, of course, is subjective, but this season presents huge opportunities and challenges for Chong and Ekmark. I think Saniya is in a much better position to carve out PT and a place in the rotation since she can play the 1 as well as the 2, but Ekmark, unfortunately, needs (as you said) a "transformational improvement of epic proportions" (which, btw, was quite eloquent).

In spite of the fact that KLS and NC are freshmen, I see them as easily ahead of Courtney on the depth chart, and even tho Boykin is a forward and not a guard like CE, I see De'Janae ahead of CE as well... I'm really rooting for Courtney and hope she sticks it out and becomes the best player she can, but I worry that her upside, as far as PT goes, may be in the same category as Tahirah Williams...

IMHO... starters of Mo, Kia, Morgan, Stewie and Natalie
First 2 off the bench - Saniya and Gabby
Hot on their heels - KLS and Napheesa
Then comes DJB
Courtney and Pulido/Lawler will come last. Lots of potential PT due to lopsided games, but if Geno does not see real potential growth in Courtney, I could see him giving the PT to DJB who has a greater upside...
 
I would think the exhibition game(s) is the first challenge for CE.
 
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I've had the opportunity to watch a few of KLS games over the past couple of years. Folks expectations might be a little high...she was a great high school player who has plenty of room to improve. Her game is a little one-sided. Be patient...she's not gonna come in and take over. What I've seen of Napheesa this summer, I believe she's ahead in her development right now. What a depth of talent Geno has. It might be his greatest challenge to play them all. Wouldn't be surprised if someone left before the New Year.
No doubt about what you say of Collier. Her U19 showed a real positive side for Uconn. I too don't doubt what you say of Katie Lou, we tend to forget she was playing AAU/HS basketball. Geno saw her huge upside and her lineage. Bonnie was only a shooter until her Junior year then became a defender too. In UConn's loss last year it was Bonnie who slowed down KML. I have great doubts about your last line---maybe hopes. The Sophs and Saniya have put an awful lot of work and emotions into being a Husky. However, if any have desires for something beyond college--they may need another team to show off their real talents, I certainly hope the don't.
 
Excellent post IMHO, and it goes back to the "debate" in another thread where I called Turner a better athlete that Stewart. a 7" wingspan gives the illusion of incredible athleticism, but Stewart is not incredibly athletic, just incredibly skilled and an incredible basketball player.
I LOVE all the players who come thru UCONN - no matter how they work out. Having said that, it's not unfair nor unkind IMHO to be realistic about players on the team and their skill-sets and potential. Potential, of course, is subjective, but this season presents huge opportunities and challenges for Chong and Ekmark. I think Saniya is in a much better position to carve out PT and a place in the rotation since she can play the 1 as well as the 2, but Ekmark, unfortunately, needs (as you said) a "transformational improvement of epic proportions" (which, btw, was quite eloquent).

In spite of the fact that KLS and NC are freshmen, I see them as easily ahead of Courtney on the depth chart, and even tho Boykin is a forward and not a guard like CE, I see De'Janae ahead of CE as well... I'm really rooting for Courtney and hope she sticks it out and becomes the best player she can, but I worry that her upside, as far as PT goes, may be in the same category as Tahirah Williams...

IMHO... starters of Mo, Kia, Morgan, Stewie and Natalie
First 2 off the bench - Saniya and Gabby
Hot on their heels - KLS and Napheesa
Then comes DJB
Courtney and Pulido/Lawler will come last. Lots of potential PT due to lopsided games, but if Geno does not see real potential growth in Courtney, I could see him giving the PT to DJB who has a greater upside...

I think all of US are judging Courtney as a disabled/rehabbing player and forget she put lots of effort into being a husky. Geno must have seen something good in her, he recruited her and she was the first Frosh off the bench last year--until she was hurt.
The year of practice and understanding of Geno's expectations and IF her 3 shooting returns--KLS may not be ahead of Courtney. If she shoots the 3 as was advertised prior to being a husky that's her upside and her role at Uconn. Someone to break the zones.
359 Div one WBB coaches out of 360 would love to have Geno's problems with talent!!!
 
Excellent post IMHO, and it goes back to the "debate" in another thread where I called Turner a better athlete that Stewart. a 7" wingspan gives the illusion of incredible athleticism, but Stewart is not incredibly athletic, just incredibly skilled and an incredible basketball player.
I LOVE all the players who come thru UCONN - no matter how they work out. Having said that, it's not unfair nor unkind IMHO to be realistic about players on the team and their skill-sets and potential. Potential, of course, is subjective, but this season presents huge opportunities and challenges for Chong and Ekmark. I think Saniya is in a much better position to carve out PT and a place in the rotation since she can play the 1 as well as the 2, but Ekmark, unfortunately, needs (as you said) a "transformational improvement of epic proportions" (which, btw, was quite eloquent).

In spite of the fact that KLS and NC are freshmen, I see them as easily ahead of Courtney on the depth chart, and even tho Boykin is a forward and not a guard like CE, I see De'Janae ahead of CE as well... I'm really rooting for Courtney and hope she sticks it out and becomes the best player she can, but I worry that her upside, as far as PT goes, may be in the same category as Tahirah Williams...

IMHO... starters of Mo, Kia, Morgan, Stewie and Natalie
First 2 off the bench - Saniya and Gabby
Hot on their heels - KLS and Napheesa
Then comes DJB
Courtney and Pulido/Lawler will come last. Lots of potential PT due to lopsided games, but if Geno does not see real potential growth in Courtney, I could see him giving the PT to DJB who has a greater upside...
Love your remarks about Breanna! Her skillset and wingspan really give some people an illusion of her being a much better athlete than she, in reality, is! Obviously she's a superstar but there seems to be some who might want to anoint her as being comparable athletically as is Maya or some others!
 
I thank you for the welcome. I know I can be a little long "winded" but I am always taking the approach that I could actually be read by some common sense, reasonable, and logical people who might have a change of mind given what I present for an argument. I also try to be respectful as long as I can get that in return. In any case I am looking forward to the start of the season, who's the 5th starter, who starts getting minutes early on, etc. Stay healthy and look forward to a great year, maybe the ultimate record setter for Stewie and Mo.
From previous experience with you---you maintain a cool head, positive approach, respectful and intelligence in you comments. Naples must have a market on great UConn supporters!! In your next comment (I just read) I liked that you will wait and see how or who gets off the bench first. Only super freshmen in the past got off the bench first. Which of the newbees has that potential??
 
Ekmark, unfortunately, needs (as you said) a "transformational improvement of epic proportions" (which, btw, was quite eloquent).

In spite of the fact that KLS and NC are freshmen, I see them as easily ahead of Courtney on the depth chart, and even tho Boykin is a forward and not a guard like CE, I see De'Janae ahead of CE as well... I'm really rooting for Courtney and hope she sticks it out and becomes the best player she can, but I worry that her upside, as far as PT goes, may be in the same category as Tahirah Williams...

IMHO... starters of Mo, Kia, Morgan, Stewie and Natalie
First 2 off the bench - Saniya and Gabby
Hot on their heels - KLS and Napheesa
Then comes DJB
Courtney and Pulido/Lawler will come last. Lots of potential PT due to lopsided games, but if Geno does not see real potential growth in Courtney, I could see him giving the PT to DJB who has a greater upside...

Thank you, EricLA. Religiously reading Professor Kibitzer's posts is clearly helping.
 
I think all of US are judging Courtney as a disabled/rehabbing player and forget she put lots of effort into being a husky. Geno must have seen something good in her, he recruited her and she was the first Frosh off the bench last year--until she was hurt.
The year of practice and understanding of Geno's expectations and IF her 3 shooting returns--KLS may not be ahead of Courtney. If she shoots the 3 as was advertised prior to being a husky that's her upside and her role at Uconn. Someone to break the zones.
359 Div one WBB coaches out of 360 would love to have Geno's problems with talent!!!
Kia was the first Freshmen off the bench last year not Courtney. Look at the replay of the UC Davis and you will see that Kia was on her second rotation before Courtney came in the game. 3 point shooting is not going to be enough to get Courtney in the rotation this year. Courtney must show that she can defend her position and also demonstrate that she can move the ball and hit open teammates. Chong got taken out of starting line up because she could not defend her position after a game where she hit 4 Treys- Stanford.
 
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