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So, Kelly Graves is only earning $700k a year at Oregon?

One of the few schools who would match any UT offer. Daddy Phil will keep Kelly no matter what. Aston’s firing could mean several coaches getting a nice raise!

Barnes from AZ makes sense. I don’t see Close from UCLA being a fit in Texas. Barnes has her dream job at her alma mater, but Texas could offer her life changing money, which is chump change to them.

I agree with the opinion of @TheFarmFan that this COVID-19 situation will change the economic basics of college athletic departments, but Texas is an exception. They have hugely rich boosters (Red McCombs), and having their own TV network (Longhorn Network - one of the main reasons Texas A&M, Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado left the Big 12) truly sets them apart.
 
Football and basketball struggling.

fires WBB coach who has sweet 16 in 4 of last 5 tournaments.

She couldn't beat Baylor.

going to throw money at someone now? Seems wasteful.
She's at the end of her contract. The same can't be said for the football or men's basketball coaches.

Again, it's more about the state, quality and trajectory of the program. Not about counting overall wins or Sweet 16 appearances.

IMO this is not specifically about Baylor. Too many fans and critics fixate on that. It's about failure to achieve and sustain a certain level of quality. The failure to be competitive with Baylor is more a symptom than a cause.
 
One of the few schools who would match any UT offer. Daddy Phil will keep Kelly no matter what. Aston’s firing could mean several coaches getting a nice raise!

Barnes from AZ makes sense. I don’t see Close from UCLA being a fit in Texas. Barnes has her dream job at her alma mater, but Texas could offer her life changing money, which is chump change to them.

I agree with the opinion of @TheFarmFan that this COVID-19 situation will change the economic basics of college athletic departments, but Texas is an exception. They have hugely rich boosters (Red McCombs), and having their own TV network (Longhorn Network - one of the main reasons Texas A&M, Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado left the Big 12) truly sets them apart.
I keep reading (on anonymous message boards) about Oregon having all this money. But, after a Final Four last season, they only gave Graves a raise of $50,000 with that new contract extension? Seriously? Unfortunately, he's probably not getting another contract adjustment this Spring (unless it's due to another school trying to hire him away) as he didn't "technically" surpass last season's post-season success. Who has Oregon actually outbid to keep a head coach? Their football head coach was only at 56th highest salary in 2018; he's supposed to get a raise after a very successful 2019 campaign, but I have yet to see that it has been finalized.

The thing about Barnes possibly coming to Texas is that not only would she more than double her annual salary, so would her husband (assistant coach at UofA). That's a huge amount of additional income and security for a young family.
 
Football and basketball struggling. fires WBB coach who has sweet 16 in 4 of last 5 tournaments.
She couldn't beat Baylor. going to throw money at someone now? Seems wasteful.
You don't even know how much money Texas is "throwing" at someone. It won't be Dawn Staley money. I'm surprised to hear this from a South Carolina fan considering how much money you all have spent on Steve Spurrier and his replacement, and still are not getting close to an SEC East football championship. Best not to throw stones from you glass home . . .
 
You don't even know how much money Texas is "throwing" at someone. It won't be Dawn Staley money. I'm surprised to hear this from a South Carolina fan considering how much money you all have spent on Steve Spurrier and his replacement, and still are not getting close to an SEC East football championship. Best not to throw stones from you glass home . . .

South Carolina did not fire a successful coach to hire anyone that I recall. Quite the opposite.

I'm totally with you that Will Muschamp is wasteful spending. You want him back? Unfortunately we don't want to fire him it seems.
 
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South Carolina did not fire a successful coach to hire anyone that I recall. Quite the opposite.

I'm totally with you that Will Muschamp is wasteful spending. You want him back? Unfortunately we don't want to fire him it seems.
We didn't fire a "successful" head coach based on her job performance the last two seasons; we chose not to extend a head coach whose best achievements were 3-4 years ago.

It's unfortunate she (or her agent if she has one) allowed her contract to get beyond having 2 years remaining at any time. At that point, I would have demanded a 2-3 year extension based on my most recent job performance (third consecutive Sweet 16), or started looking elsewhere.

From a negotiating perspective, she lost all leverage continuing to allow her employment years/months to dwindle with no commitment from her boss(es). And, with her last two seasons being her worst (since her initial year at Texas), she did not make a strong case to get an extension.
 
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Is that a "no" on Muschamp then?
Not only "no", but "hell no!". It's also a "thank gawd" Florida came and hired away our "head coach in waiting" right from under our noses, and then sorry USC didn't learn anything from that fiasco in Gainesville . . .
 
Not only "no", but "hell no!". It's also a "thank gawd" Florida came and hired our "head coach in waiting" right from under our noses, and then sorry USC didn't learn anything from that fiasco in Gainesville . . .

Oh well.
 
Arizona is the school that would have trouble justifying doubling Barnes' salary in these tough economic times, especially after just having given her an almost 50% raise.
Arizona is not going to do any such thing. Arizona is cheap with salary.

And I don't think - at this point - that she wants to go anywhere.

A time may come . . . but probably not now.
 
However, not at Texas where they expect to be competing for National Championships. Just don't know who they'll hire to get the results they want.

I do wonder if Becky Hammon would be interested in the Texas job and would Texas consider Niele Ivey.
Yes, I know they won one. And I really liked Jody (except she whined to the refs constantly). But really, does the record indicate Texas should think they should be competing for NC's? Competing for deep NCAA runs, yes, but their Final Four history in anything resembling modern times does not suggest a reason to think they would be a "regular" there.
 
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Yes, I know they won one. And I really liked Jody (except she whined to the refs constantly). But really, does the record indicate Texas should think they should be competing for NC's? Competing for deep NCAA runs, yes, but their Final Four history in anything resembling modern times does not suggest a reason to think they would be a "regular" there.
History is one thing, expectations another. If the goal is to be competitive at a nationally elite level, the decision to let Aston go was a correct one. Shoot, if the goal is merely to put a team on the floor that doesn't look completely inept half the time, correct decision as well.
 
History is one thing, expectations another. If the goal is to be competitive at a nationally elite level, the decision to let Aston go was a correct one.
I agree it was the right move. Every major program might "want" to be elite, but I am suggesting that Texas just doesn't present as being any further along on that route than many others.
 
I keep reading (on anonymous message boards) about Oregon having all this money. But, after a Final Four last season, they only gave Graves a raise of $50,000 with that new contract extension? Seriously? Unfortunately, he's probably not getting another contract adjustment this Spring (unless it's due to another school trying to hire him away) as he didn't "technically" surpass last season's post-season success. Who has Oregon actually outbid to keep a head coach? Their football head coach was only at 56th highest salary in 2018; he's supposed to get a raise after a very successful 2019 campaign, but I have yet to see that it has been finalized.

The thing about Barnes possibly coming to Texas is that not only would she more than double her annual salary, so would her husband (assistant coach at UofA). That's a huge amount of additional income and security for a young family.
With you it is all about money in life, we get that. Texas should go after Geno or Muffet then. Triple their salaries.

I think any other pac-12 posters in the wings here would laugh about Oregon being broke in your thinking.

Oregon spends money on facilities like it was water is what most would say.


New track field


So outbid to keep Willie Taggart, Chip Kelley. White the Bobby Knight of softball? (Rolleyes)

What about Dana Altman in mens basketball? He is not going anywhere but is one of the best.

If it was all about the top dollar then why did your wife marry you?
 
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If I used twitter, I would like that tweet. Welcome to the University of Texas, where a national championship winning football coach, who with his wife was considered highly likeable, is fired because he wins fewer than 10 games a years (8) for a couple of years in a row. Come work for us where we replaced men's basketball coach Rick Barnes (he was getting a bit dull) for Shaka Smart. Is there a reason besides bad business sense that Texas has found itself guaranteeing a lot of money, with or without results, in recent hires? One thing is sure. Texas will not find a more loyal, hard working, dignified coach than Karen Aston. Unlike Goestenkors, Aston would never have failed or quit because she did not want to work hard enough.
I hardly think Goestenkors didn't "want to work hard enough". I'm sure @CamrnCrz1974 will have some insight.

@ucbart
 
I hardly think Goestenkors didn't "want to work hard enough". I'm sure @CamrnCrz1974 will have some insight.

@ucbart
Actually, there is some merit to that. Gail stated on record that she hadn't anticipated how hard it was going to be recruiting at Texas; she stated that she didn't realize she'd have to compete with Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Baylor for the same recruits. So, that can be interpreted as her thinking recruiting was going to be easy at Texas (or as easy as it was for her at Duke where she got to pick and choose from all those national kids who wanted to attend Duke).

When she resigned her position, she stated that she was "tired"; that can be interpreted in different ways. What was she tired of? Exits in the first round of the NCAA tourney? Winning zero conference titles? Tired of the pressure? I actually took it to mean she was physically and mentally tired; I just don't know what specifically was causing her to be so tired. I mean, she was being paid $1 million a season; being tired comes with the territory.

Don't get me wrong. I was thrilled when Gail was hired at Texas; I thought it was a homerun hire. Her biggest mistake at Texas, IMO, was the selection of her assistant coaches, specifically Lakale Malone from Nebraska (as she had zero recruiting connections to Texas). Yes, the same Lakale Malone who was recently fired as an assistant coach at Illinois.
 
You don't even know how much money Texas is "throwing" at someone. It won't be Dawn Staley money. I'm surprised to hear this from a South Carolina fan considering how much money you all have spent on Steve Spurrier and his replacement, and still are not getting close to an SEC East football championship. Best not to throw stones from you glass home . . .

South Carolina has no match when it comes to boneheaded football decisions.

Our AD irks me a little.
 
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The Longhorn Network posted a nice retrospective of Karen's tenure at Texas.

 
I'm gonna miss Aston and Mulkey's handshakes

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Austin American-Statesman writer Kirk Bohls obsessing more on "scaring" Mulkey than talking about realistic coaching candidates:



This part is actually very harsh, but I guess it is accurate:

The announcement that Texas was moving on from Aston was no surprise, however bad the optics.

For all practical purposes, she was fired a year ago.

Del Conte and the Texas administration effectively made the decision to change directions a year ago when they let Aston enter what would be her final season here with but a single year left on her contract.

Such policy rarely happens in big-time sports unless the bosses have already lost confidence in the coach, and this was the case here.

Aston’s final-year agreement expires in August. In letting her contract lapse, Texas basically fired her a year ago, barring a major turnaround in the fortunes of a basketball program that had moments of big success but had faltered of late, especially in recruiting, and had fallen far distant of powerhouse Baylor. Del Conte clearly saw the lack of progress and moved on.
 
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Austin American-Statesman writer Kirk Bohls obsessing more on "scaring" Mulkey than talking about realistic coaching candidates:



This part is actually very harsh, but I guess it is accurate:

The announcement that Texas was moving on from Aston was no surprise, however bad the optics.

For all practical purposes, she was fired a year ago.

Del Conte and the Texas administration effectively made the decision to change directions a year ago when they let Aston enter what would be her final season here with but a single year left on her contract.

Such policy rarely happens in big-time sports unless the bosses have already lost confidence in the coach, and this was the case here.

Aston’s final-year agreement expires in August. In letting her contract lapse, Texas basically fired her a year ago, barring a major turnaround in the fortunes of a basketball program that had moments of big success but had faltered of late, especially in recruiting, and had fallen far distant of powerhouse Baylor. Del Conte clearly saw the lack of progress and moved on.
I really did not see this as a big deal, now I do!
 
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I hardly think Goestenkors didn't "want to work hard enough". I'm sure @CamrnCrz1974 will have some insight.

@ucbart

Actually, there is some merit to that. Gail stated on record that she hadn't anticipated how hard it was going to be recruiting at Texas; she stated that she didn't realize she'd have to compete with Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Baylor for the same recruits. So, that can be interpreted as her thinking recruiting was going to be easy at Texas (or as easy as it was for her at Duke where she got to pick and choose from all those national kids who wanted to attend Duke).

When she resigned her position, she stated that she was "tired"; that can be interpreted in different ways. What was she tired of? Exits in the first round of the NCAA tourney? Winning zero conference titles? Tired of the pressure? I actually took it to mean she was physically and mentally tired; I just don't know what specifically was causing her to be so tired. I mean, she was being paid $1 million a season; being tired comes with the territory.

This is not quite accurate, because it ignores the actions of AD Chris Plonsky and former Assistant Coach Clarissa Davis-Wrightsil.

In very short summary, Plonsky told Goestenkors not to keep any of the Texas assistant coaches, so she did not (and brought some of her own people). Davis-Wrightsil was outraged and essentially trashed Texas and Coach G to all of her connections in the Texas high school basketball scene -- and believe me, Davis-Wrightsi's network and contacts were extensive.

Gail's contacts were with AAU coaches, which worked very well in her recruiting strongholds - DC/MD/VA and NY/NJ/PA. In Texas, the high school/local coaches are the ones with the power and the sway, so to speak.

Gail did not have the right contacts for Texas, but the actions of Plonsky and Davis-Wrightsil all but guaranteed that Texas would not be getting the top-tier in-state recruits during her tenure.

Don't get me wrong. I was thrilled when Gail was hired at Texas; I thought it was a homerun hire. Her biggest mistake at Texas, IMO, was the selection of her assistant coaches, specifically Lakale Malone from Nebraska (as she had zero recruiting connections to Texas). Yes, the same Lakale Malone who was recently fired as an assistant coach at Illinois.

See my above comments about Plonsky and Davis-Wrightsil. But truth be told, Goestenkors needed to really get someone entrenched in Texas recruiting, which Davis-Wrightstil was.

I would argue Goestenkors' biggest mistake was a different one. Duke sold itself, because Goestenkors BUILT it to sell itself. But Goestenkors also failed to realize how the Duke brand and the combination of athletics, academics, alumni network, etc. played a part in her recruiting strategy. And when a recruit came for a visit, Duke had the ability to bring in Coach K for a quick meeting (which he did, for example, with Krystal Thomas who committed to Goestenkors when she was at Duke, but who played for McCallie).

Whereas Joanne P. McCallie overestimated how much Duke (and the Duke brand) sold itself, Goestenkors underestimated it, in terms of making the final pitches to recruits.

Goestenkors was never able to make the Texas brand work for her. She was from MI, had been an assistant at Purdue (IN), and had been the head coach at Duke (NC). And I think she thought all of the work she put in at Duke would transfer over to Texas; instead, as an outsider, she had to start, in many ways, from scratch, like she did in her early days at Duke. I believe that was where the fatigue and exhaustion had set in.

I would also argue another mistake Goestenkors made was taking the job in the first place - and the circumstances under which she did. She was not running "toward" Texas; she was running "away" from Duke. My honest believe is the statements from then-AD Joe Alleva were the deciding factor in her decision to leave. I am repeating the comments here:

Compared to the top tier of coaches in the women's game, however, Goestenkors' salary does not stack up. Tennessee's Pat Summitt is the highest-paid coach in women's college basketball at an average of $1.125 million guaranteed over six seasons, and Geno Auriemma's contract with Connecticut guarantees him $988,000 per year.
[Coach G made less than $500,000 at the time]

"They've both won a lot of national championships and are part of programs that make money for their institutions. They bring in profit for their athletic departments, and that's not the case for our women's program," Alleva said. "I'm sure some of these other institutions will offer significantly large packages to encourage her to go.


I firmly believe that Goestenkors was not running toward Texas, but running away from Duke. She felt disrespected and devalued -- and rightfully so. But I also believe that without those statements from then-AD Joe Alleva, she would have taken more time to evaluate her decision and would have chosen to stay at Duke.
 
This is not quite accurate, because it ignores the actions of AD Chris Plonsky and former Assistant Coach Clarissa Davis-Wrightsil.

In very short summary, Plonsky told Goestenkors not to keep any of the Texas assistant coaches, so she did not (and brought some of her own people). Davis-Wrightsil was outraged and essentially trashed Texas and Coach G to all of her connections in the Texas high school basketball scene -- and believe me, Davis-Wrightsi's network and contacts were extensive.

Gail's contacts were with AAU coaches, which worked very well in her recruiting strongholds - DC/MD/VA and NY/NJ/PA. In Texas, the high school/local coaches are the ones with the power and the sway, so to speak.

Gail did not have the right contacts for Texas, but the actions of Plonsky and Davis-Wrightsil all but guaranteed that Texas would not be getting the top-tier in-state recruits during her tenure.



See my above comments about Plonsky and Davis-Wrightsil. But truth be told, Goestenkors needed to really get someone entrenched in Texas recruiting, which Davis-Wrightstil was.

I would argue Goestenkors' biggest mistake was a different one. Duke sold itself, because Goestenkors BUILT it to sell itself. But Goestenkors also failed to realize how the Duke brand and the combination of athletics, academics, alumni network, etc. played a part in her recruiting strategy. And when a recruit came for a visit, Duke had the ability to bring in Coach K for a quick meeting (which he did, for example, with Krystal Thomas who committed to Goestenkors when she was at Duke, but who played for McCallie).

Whereas Joanne P. McCallie overestimated how much Duke (and the Duke brand) sold itself, Goestenkors underestimated it, in terms of making the final pitches to recruits.

Goestenkors was never able to make the Texas brand work for her. She was from MI, had been an assistant at Purdue (IN), and had been the head coach at Duke (NC). And I think she thought all of the work she put in at Duke would transfer over to Texas; instead, as an outsider, she had to start, in many ways, from scratch, like she did in her early days at Duke. I believe that was where the fatigue and exhaustion had set in.

I would also argue another mistake Goestenkors made was taking the job in the first place - and the circumstances under which she did. She was not running "toward" Texas; she was running "away" from Duke. My honest believe is the statements from then-AD Joe Alleva were the deciding factor in her decision to leave. I am repeating the comments here:

Compared to the top tier of coaches in the women's game, however, Goestenkors' salary does not stack up. Tennessee's Pat Summitt is the highest-paid coach in women's college basketball at an average of $1.125 million guaranteed over six seasons, and Geno Auriemma's contract with Connecticut guarantees him $988,000 per year.
[Coach G made less than $500,000 at the time]

"They've both won a lot of national championships and are part of programs that make money for their institutions. They bring in profit for their athletic departments, and that's not the case for our women's program," Alleva said. "I'm sure some of these other institutions will offer significantly large packages to encourage her to go.


I firmly believe that Goestenkors was not running toward Texas, but running away from Duke. She felt disrespected and devalued -- and rightfully so. But I also believe that without those statements from then-AD Joe Alleva, she would have taken more time to evaluate her decision and would have chosen to stay at Duke.
I've heard most of what you stated in the past. What still does not make sense to me is why Plonsky would not want Gail to retain any of the current assistant coaches. Typically, you have an AD trying to force conditions on a new hire of who they will be required to retain, and new head coaches hate that restriction.

Personally, Clarissa Davis should never have been hired by Jody Conradt as I believe she had zero collegiate coaching experience, and not much coaching experience other than high school club ball. She only coached for one season, I believe, before Conradt resigned; and, she had no success (recruiting-wise) in her short tenure. I doubt Gail would have kept her on staff regardless of any alleged meddling by Plonsky as Clarissa's resume' was very weak. Most Texas fans wanted Gail to retain our other assistant head coach, and former men's hoopster, Travis Mays, as he was the one who had proven himself on the job.

Can you tell me why she hired Lakale Malone of all people? That just didn't move the needle in any way.
 
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I want to touch upon a couple of comments made on some of the threads about "Mulkey now being concerned" with Vic being Texas' new coach. Maybe because I have been involved as a coach and UConn fan for too long but I disagree that Kim will be "scared or upset". If anything, I think she will welcome the competitive nature of another top coach in a league devoid of top coaches. Running roughshod over poor competition never inspires anyone, is it fun, yes most times it is fun but it does not help you grow as a coach or a program.

Vic's arrival in the SEC made all the others up their game and made Dawn part of what her program is now. Similarly Texas will get better and force Baylor to also improve. I am not saying Kim will invite Vic out to dinner either before or after games but she will relish scheming to beat him. As the saying goes, "Iron sharpens Iron" and I think both programs will be better for this. I do need to see Vic recruit at an elite level which this past year was really his first in garnering a top 10 recruit in Jackson. We shall see, but I doubt Mulkey is quaking in her boots. Was Geno afraid of MM or Pat? All true competitors want worthy adversaries.

Carry on...:rolleyes:
 
I want to touch upon a couple of comments made on some of the threads about "Mulkey now being concerned" with Vic being Texas' new coach. Maybe because I have been involved as a coach and UConn fan for too long but I disagree that Kim will be "scared or upset". If anything, I think she will welcome the competitive nature of another top coach in a league devoid of top coaches. Running roughshod over poor competition never inspires anyone, is it fun, yes most times it is fun but it does not help you grow as a coach or a program.

Vic's arrival in the SEC made all the others up their game and made Dawn part of what her program is now. Similarly Texas will get better and force Baylor to also improve. I am not saying Kim will invite Vic out to dinner either before or after games but she will relish scheming to beat him. As the saying goes, "Iron sharpens Iron" and I think both programs will be better for this. I do need to see Vic recruit at an elite level which this past year was really his first in garnering a top 10 recruit in Jackson. We shall see, but I doubt Mulkey is quaking in her boots. Was Geno afraid of MM or Pat? All true competitors want worthy adversaries.

Carry on...:rolleyes:
I wholeheartedly agree that competitors want good competition. I don't believe, for a second, that Dawn Staley feels any joy or relief at seeing Vic leave the SEC. And I also don't believe that Kim Mulkey has been pleased see the rest of the Big 12 sliding toward mediocrity around her over the past several years.

But I can't help but wonder if Kim would prefer that her chief Big 12 rivals were father away, such as West Virginia or Iowa State. She may have mixed emotions seeing Vic set up shop just 100 miles away. She has staked out a significant recruiting advantage as THE premier in-state WBB destination, an advantage she may soon have to share.
 
Mulkey is a competitor and I doubt she minds the addition of Vic. She was never my favorite coach on her general personality but really grew on me during their run to the title in 2019. She is one of the best no doubt and I have a feeling she and Vic will have some battles once he gets in the groove recruiting his players.
 
I wholeheartedly agree that competitors want good competition. I don't believe, for a second, that Dawn Staley feels any joy or relief at seeing Vic leave the SEC. And I also don't believe that Kim Mulkey has been pleased see the rest of the Big 12 sliding toward mediocrity around her over the past several years.

But I can't help but wonder if Kim would prefer that her chief Big 12 rivals were father away, such as West Virginia or Iowa State. She may have mixed emotions seeing Vic set up shop just 100 miles away. She has staked out a significant recruiting advantage as THE premier in-state WBB destination, an advantage she may soon have to share.
Well maybe, in my analysis of what schools get the Top 10 players, Kim has signed 6 HoopGurlz Top 10 since 2014 while Texas signed 8. IF you look at Prospect Nation Kim signed 9 while Texas signed 8. so it's not like Texas wasn't getting talent. Were they getting the RIGHT talent and developing them? Clearly not. That said, Kim has also had her fair share of recent Top 10 transfers like Natalie Chou, Honesty Scott-Grayson, Alexis Morris and Aquira DeCosta to counteract the Texas defections of Sedona Prince, Rellah Booth and Chasity Patterson.

I guess we get to find out how well a "school" can recruit as Vic, for all his success has had exactly 1 Top 10 recruit join his team and that was this year in Rickea Jackson. I think all told he will have much better ingredients to make his signature teams.
 
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