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HuskyHawk said:
For stuff that’s now ok? Unlikely to be even close to that. It will be interesting because it’s IARP. This is what they gave Arizona.


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Arizona basketball IARP ruling: Sean Miller free from sanctions, ex-assistants receive show-cause penalties

The long-awaited ruling on the Wildcats program came down on Wednesday. Miller, now at Xavier, will not be suspended
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Big difference is that Zona fired Miller. Kansas doubled down on Self. That's got to count for something
 
pepband99 said:
Big difference is that Zona fired Miller. Kansas doubled down on Self. That's got to count for something
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Yep, and my "source" such as it is, thought Self was going to be fired. They were closer to David Beaty's situation (football coach) happening at the same time, and he was fired. But as with Ollie, infractions + being bad at your job makes it easier.
 
I know a wealthy Kansas fan who thinks the school and coach are being unfairly treated. He saw nothing unusual or wrong about the extension of Self's contract nor the clause that says Self cannot be fired for any actions or violations that may have occurred in the past.
That clause is probably the reason a new contract was signed so they could give him a guarantee he would not be fired for any past offenses.......not sure if it shelters him from future violations though.
People that know the fan think he's the most likeable and generous guy. I guess you can be that way when your family has owned many grain elevators for decades..........and you can close your mind to the reality that your coach is a crook.
He did not, by the way, call or email me with congratulations on UConn's 2023 National Championship. He had told me during the season that Kansas would win it...........maybe he didn't donate enough.
 
Self knowingly just brought a person onto the KU campus who had a history of violence towards women just because he was a 4-star player.

This guy brutally assaulted a young women within months of arriving at KU. Her life will now be full of nearly irreparable trauma.

Screw Bill Self. Disgusting slimeball & I hope he's pressured to resign for his poor decisionmaking.
 
Here's the ruling. In a shocking (to no one) about face by the NCAA, the most egregious violations (Self's FIVE Level I violations) were all downgraded.


"The long-awaited Kansas men’s basketball infractions case ruling is in, and the Jayhawks are walking away unscathed.

In a decision announced Wednesday, the NCAA’s Independent Accountability Review Process (IARP) led to a downgrade in the severity of the five Level I allegations against the program, ultimately judging this a Level II case. The Independent Resolution Panel gave Kansas a three-year probation, with no effect on the program’s postseason status. Head coach Bill Self, who was initially charged with a Level I violation and was suspended for four games last season, was instead charged with a Level III violation and no additional penalties. Assistant coach Kurtis Townsend, who was suspended four games last year as well, also had his charges reduced from Level I to a Level II and a Level III violation, with no additional penalties. Neither coach faces a show-cause order, which could have been applicable for Level I violations."
 
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Scrutiner said:
Here's the ruling. In a shocking (to no one) about face by the NCAA, the most egregious violations (Self's FIVE Level I violations) were all downgraded.


"The long-awaited Kansas men’s basketball infractions case ruling is in, and the Jayhawks are walking away unscathed.

In a decision announced Wednesday, the NCAA’s Independent Accountability Review Process (IARP) led to a downgrade in the severity of the five Level I allegations against the program, ultimately judging this a Level II case. The Independent Resolution Panel gave Kansas a three-year probation, with no effect on the program’s postseason status. Head coach Bill Self, who was initially charged with a Level I violation and was suspended for four games last season, was instead charged with a Level III violation and no additional penalties. Assistant coach Kurtis Townsend, who was suspended four games last year as well, also had his charges reduced from Level I to a Level II and a Level III violation, with no additional penalties. Neither coach faces a show-cause order, which could have been applicable for Level I violations."
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The NCAA:

Nothing To See Here GIF by Giphy QA
 
They had to vacate their 2018 Final Four, which I think means their postseason streak is technically over...At least, it would be very funny if that technicality is what ends it
 
Scrutiner said:
Here's the ruling. In a shocking (to no one) about face by the NCAA, the most egregious violations (Self's FIVE Level I violations) were all downgraded.


"The long-awaited Kansas men’s basketball infractions case ruling is in, and the Jayhawks are walking away unscathed.

In a decision announced Wednesday, the NCAA’s Independent Accountability Review Process (IARP) led to a downgrade in the severity of the five Level I allegations against the program, ultimately judging this a Level II case. The Independent Resolution Panel gave Kansas a three-year probation, with no effect on the program’s postseason status. Head coach Bill Self, who was initially charged with a Level I violation and was suspended for four games last season, was instead charged with a Level III violation and no additional penalties. Assistant coach Kurtis Townsend, who was suspended four games last year as well, also had his charges reduced from Level I to a Level II and a Level III violation, with no additional penalties. Neither coach faces a show-cause order, which could have been applicable for Level I violations."
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Did anyone expect anything different? Good thing the IARP is being disbanded for being useless.
 
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Scrutiner said:
Here's the ruling. In a shocking (to no one) about face by the NCAA, the most egregious violations (Self's FIVE Level I violations) were all downgraded.


"The long-awaited Kansas men’s basketball infractions case ruling is in, and the Jayhawks are walking away unscathed.

In a decision announced Wednesday, the NCAA’s Independent Accountability Review Process (IARP) led to a downgrade in the severity of the five Level I allegations against the program, ultimately judging this a Level II case. The Independent Resolution Panel gave Kansas a three-year probation, with no effect on the program’s postseason status. Head coach Bill Self, who was initially charged with a Level I violation and was suspended for four games last season, was instead charged with a Level III violation and no additional penalties. Assistant coach Kurtis Townsend, who was suspended four games last year as well, also had his charges reduced from Level I to a Level II and a Level III violation, with no additional penalties. Neither coach faces a show-cause order, which could have been applicable for Level I violations."
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It's what IARP has done. The NCAA got rid of it because it goes easy on everyone. That's why every school chose IARP once they had that option.

Edit: the KU people are upset because DeSousa was ruled eligible by the NCAA, which is why they played him. I think they did that to UConn once too.

 
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Scrutiner said:
Here's the ruling. In a shocking (to no one) about face by the NCAA, the most egregious violations (Self's FIVE Level I violations) were all downgraded.


"The long-awaited Kansas men’s basketball infractions case ruling is in, and the Jayhawks are walking away unscathed.

In a decision announced Wednesday, the NCAA’s Independent Accountability Review Process (IARP) led to a downgrade in the severity of the five Level I allegations against the program, ultimately judging this a Level II case. The Independent Resolution Panel gave Kansas a three-year probation, with no effect on the program’s postseason status. Head coach Bill Self, who was initially charged with a Level I violation and was suspended for four games last season, was instead charged with a Level III violation and no additional penalties. Assistant coach Kurtis Townsend, who was suspended four games last year as well, also had his charges reduced from Level I to a Level II and a Level III violation, with no additional penalties. Neither coach faces a show-cause order, which could have been applicable for Level I violations."
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Annnnnd...this is why people have other contempt for the NCAA.

I truly believe it's time to disband that organization. It seems like their only function is to spend millions of dollars on the NCAA in fund nonrevenue sports.
 
HooperScooper said:
Did anyone expect anything different? Good thing the IARP is being disbanded for being useless.
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That's a good start. The next step is disbanding the NCAA for the same reason.
 
HuskyHawk said:
It's what IARP has done. The NCAA got rid of it because it goes easy on everyone. That's why every school chose IARP once they had that option.

Edit: the KU people are upset because DeSousa was ruled eligible by the NCAA, which is why they played him. I think they did that to UConn once too.

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Oh, the horror of the ruling!
They have to return any trophies they won in 2017-18.
That'll make them think twice before cheating again................
 
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CL82 said:
Annnnnd...this is why people have other contempt for the NCAA.

I truly believe it's time to disband that organization. It seems like their only function is to spend millions of dollars on the NCAA in fund nonrevenue sports.
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The P4 will take care of that once they get down to the P3 and don't need any umbrella organization to do their negotiations for the big money contracts.
Their only problem will be maintaining the financial strength of their feeder leagues without depriving themselves of the luxuries currently being enjoyed. May not be enough money to go around in the near future.
 
It is laughable at the length of time it took to decide, well, not much of anything. Remember, this was supposed to be a signature case in which Adidas bag men were supposedly paying players to go to KU.

The IARP? Gone. Done. Adios. It was decided long ago that the organization would shutter after the last of the cases involving the FBI/SDNY scandal that is now six years old. The NCAA won't tell you, but the IARP was canceled because, ultimately, it was a failure.

Kansas was the last case. The result begged a familiar question that goes along with all major penalties. What was the point? What disincentives to rules breaking were there?

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After Kansas joins other teams recently let off easy for NCAA violations, the IARP will thankfully RIP

The IARP ruling on its last case makes Wednesday a banner day for college sports
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Scrutiner said:
Here's the ruling. In a shocking (to no one) about face by the NCAA, the most egregious violations (Self's FIVE Level I violations) were all downgraded.


"The long-awaited Kansas men’s basketball infractions case ruling is in, and the Jayhawks are walking away unscathed.

In a decision announced Wednesday, the NCAA’s Independent Accountability Review Process (IARP) led to a downgrade in the severity of the five Level I allegations against the program, ultimately judging this a Level II case. The Independent Resolution Panel gave Kansas a three-year probation, with no effect on the program’s postseason status. Head coach Bill Self, who was initially charged with a Level I violation and was suspended for four games last season, was instead charged with a Level III violation and no additional penalties. Assistant coach Kurtis Townsend, who was suspended four games last year as well, also had his charges reduced from Level I to a Level II and a Level III violation, with no additional penalties. Neither coach faces a show-cause order, which could have been applicable for Level I violations."
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Mark me grateful to see that UConn escaped any penalty for this.
 
Has anyone actually read the decision? I am curious whether there was evidence showing that Self or Kansas violated NCAA rules that was not property considered? Based upon the reports, the Complex Case Unit eliminated the only Level I violation against Self (there were not 5, there was only 1) in the third notice of allegations before the case actually went to the panel for decision, so the independent group charged with investigating and prosecuting the claims against Self did not believe there was sufficient evidence to substantiate a Level I violation.

I get the frustration with the outcome because there is a broad perception amongst College Basketball fans that Self and Kansas have routinely broken the rules, but believing it and proving it are two different things.
 
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UconnBoston said:
Has anyone actually read the decision? I am curious whether there was evidence showing that Self or Kansas violated NCAA rules that was not property considered? Based upon the reports, the Complex Case Unit eliminated the only Level I violation against Self (there were not 5, there was only 1) in the third notice of allegations before the case actually went to the panel for decision, so the independent group charged with investigating and prosecuting the claims against Self did not believe there was sufficient evidence to substantiate a Level I violation.

I get the frustration with the outcome because there is a broad perception amongst College Basketball fans that Self and Kansas have routinely broken the rules, but believing it and proving it are two different things.
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We all conveniently forget that for much of our run, fans of other Big East programs insisted that Calhoun was as dirty as they come. NIL puts it all out there anyway now.
 
Scrutiner said:
Oh, the horror of the ruling!
They have to return any trophies they won in 2017-18.
That'll make them think twice before cheating again................
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I heard they sent the ruling with 2 dozen cupcakes
 
UconnBoston said:
Has anyone actually read the decision? I am curious whether there was evidence showing that Self or Kansas violated NCAA rules that was not property considered? Based upon the reports, the Complex Case Unit eliminated the only Level I violation against Self (there were not 5, there was only 1) in the third notice of allegations before the case actually went to the panel for decision, so the independent group charged with investigating and prosecuting the claims against Self did not believe there was sufficient evidence to substantiate a Level I violation.

I get the frustration with the outcome because there is a broad perception amongst College Basketball fans that Self and Kansas have routinely broken the rules, but believing it and proving it are two different things.
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Are you serious, they had wiretaps. If this was ucoon, death penalty
 
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